Patch 1.1.5

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

Right, so let's see if 1.1.5 has done anything to Charizard. I'm still downloading the update myself, but I'll be sure to try and report any potential changes here.

 

[arbustopachon]

nair now does 9/12
fair 12/13 and seems to have less landing lag
bair 11/14/16.

Edit: apparently Nair and uair endlag is now 20 frames, fair is 22, bair is 24 and dair is 33.
I'm hyped.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

nair now does 9/12
fair 12/13 and seems to have less landing lag
bair 11/14/16.

Edit: apparently Nair and uair endlag is now 20 frames, fair is 22, bair is 24 and dair is 33.
I'm hyped.

Not sure on the landing lag on stuff but yeah the damage stuff is pretty much 100% confirmed.

 

[arbustopachon]

it was tested via frame skip on the patch thread, it might be wrong tho.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

it was tested via frame skip on the patch thread, it might be wrong tho.

Yeah I'd believe it to be possible but atm I'm playing safe on what can be confirmed.

 

[Steeler]

cross post from the 1.1.5 community thread

they added a few new unknown parameters to the first hitbox of flare blitz (while zard is charging, not the explosion)

old
Hitbox(ID=0, Part=0, Bone=18, Damage=4.0, Angle=60, KBG=80, FKB=0, BKB=60, Size=4.5, Z=0.0, Y=0.0, X=0.0, Effect=5, Trip=0.0, Hitlag=1.0, SDI=1.0, Clang=1, Unknown=0, ShieldDamage=0, SFXType=2, Ground/Air=8, Direct/Indirect=3, Unknown=1, Unknown=2)
Script_End()


new
Special_Hitbox(ID=0, Part=0, Bone=18, Damage=4.0, Angle=60, KBG=80, FKB=0, BKB=60, Size=4.5, Z=0.0, Y=0.0, X=0.0, Effect=5, Trip=0.0, Hitlag=1.0, SDI=1.0, Clang=1, Unknown=0, ShieldDamage=0, SFXType=2, Ground/Air=8, Direct/Indirect=3, Unknown=1, Unknown=2, Unknown=63, Unknown=0, Unknown=15, Unknown=0, Unknown=1, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=3, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0)
Script_End()

IF ANYONE CAN FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE, I WILL DO DIRTY THINGS FOR YOU

ALSO APPARENTLY CHARIZARD AIR SPEED ACTUALLY REALLY NOT PLACEBO LIKE THE LAST 12 TIMES SERIOUSLY GOT INCREASED TO AROUND FALCO AIRSPEED

 

[constable lemon]

forgive my charizard ignorance, but was this always possible?

https://twitter.com/tosshi11/status/709967438662787072

 

[Swamp Sensei]

forgive my charizard ignorance, but was this always possible?

https://twitter.com/tosshi11/status/709967438662787072

Something like it yeah.



All of Zard's aerials have landing lag decreases.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

forgive my charizard ignorance, but was this always possible?

https://twitter.com/tosshi11/status/709967438662787072

At low percents it was.

 

[mattatat]

cross post from the 1.1.5 community thread

they added a few new unknown parameters to the first hitbox of flare blitz (while zard is charging, not the explosion)

old
Hitbox(ID=0, Part=0, Bone=18, Damage=4.0, Angle=60, KBG=80, FKB=0, BKB=60, Size=4.5, Z=0.0, Y=0.0, X=0.0, Effect=5, Trip=0.0, Hitlag=1.0, SDI=1.0, Clang=1, Unknown=0, ShieldDamage=0, SFXType=2, Ground/Air=8, Direct/Indirect=3, Unknown=1, Unknown=2)
Script_End()


new
Special_Hitbox(ID=0, Part=0, Bone=18, Damage=4.0, Angle=60, KBG=80, FKB=0, BKB=60, Size=4.5, Z=0.0, Y=0.0, X=0.0, Effect=5, Trip=0.0, Hitlag=1.0, SDI=1.0, Clang=1, Unknown=0, ShieldDamage=0, SFXType=2, Ground/Air=8, Direct/Indirect=3, Unknown=1, Unknown=2, Unknown=63, Unknown=0, Unknown=15, Unknown=0, Unknown=1, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=3, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0, Unknown=0)
Script_End()

IF ANYONE CAN FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE, I WILL DO DIRTY THINGS FOR YOU

ALSO APPARENTLY CHARIZARD AIR SPEED ACTUALLY REALLY NOT PLACEBO LIKE THE LAST 12 TIMES SERIOUSLY GOT INCREASED TO AROUND FALCO AIRSPEED

Honestly an air speed buff is all I've ever wanted. Dudes a flying type with base 100 speed.

 

[dayo]

Honestly an air speed buff is all I've ever wanted. Dudes a flying type with base 100 speed.

confirmed, but i don't know japanese.
https://twitter.com/LettuceUdon/status/710002833811177472

top one is aerial move speed. also weight went up one unit (bottom line)

 

[Appdude]

forgive my charizard ignorance, but was this always possible?

https://twitter.com/tosshi11/status/709967438662787072

Is this still do-able?!

 

[Slowchamp]

Is this still do-able?!

its not reliable in the slightest (atleast from when I tested it an hour ago)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Is this still do-able?!

Yup.

The video was done with this new patch.

Problem is... You have to be careful because if you miss it's one dead Zard.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

^Pretty much that.

You gotta be on point with doing that, if you miss, whoops you died!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

"

Air speed 0.87 -> 0.92
Weight 115 -> 116
Landing lag

• Nair 22 -> 20
• Fair 31 -> 22
• Bair 33 -> 24
• Uair 22 -> 20
• Dair 35 -> 33"

We just got a weight buff and an air speed buff.

 

[adom4]

Zard's Bair scared me now.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I haven't played the game yet.

Any vids of gifs of BAir?

 

[Jmacz]

Testing with a second controller in training mode so take this with a grain of salt. But D-Throw to Fair is registering as a combo up to 95-100% on Lucina with DI Away and Up. Dthrow to Uair works to about the same percentage with DI up, and also kills. If it wasn't 5am I'd do more testing on this but it seems like we could POSSIBLY have 50/50 with D-Throw near the ledge.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Testing with a second controller in training mode so take this with a grain of salt. But D-Throw to Fair is registering as a combo up to 95-100% on Lucina with DI Away and Up. Dthrow to Uair works to about the same percentage with DI up, and also kills. If it wasn't 5am I'd do more testing on this but it seems like we could POSSIBLY have 50/50 with D-Throw near the ledge.

If this is true.

MID TIER HERE WE COME!

 

[HakuryuVision]

got buffed.
got buffed.
got buffed.

All of my three mains are better now.

Bair, i'm so sorry for neglecting you, i promise to use you more often from now on~ <3

 

[Fire Tactician]

got buffed.
got buffed.
got buffed.

Happy 20th Anniversary, Pokemon... I guess...

 

[arbustopachon]

Also flare blitz kills earlier now, it has 6 KBG more.

 

[Ghostgodzilla]

All of this Buffs, daddy Sakurai has graced us once again!

 

[C3CC]

Yeeeesss I'm happy with this buff, especially with the one for Back Air! I rely too much on that move and always complained about its landing lag being so big!

 

[arbustopachon]

D-throw to flare blitz is air dodgeable despite what training mode says, right?
Because if not we have a 61% to 81% kill confirm on lucina...

 

[TheGoodGuava]

D-throw to flare blitz is air dodgeable despite what training mode says, right?
Because if not we have a 61% to 81% kill confirm on lucina...

The percents are tight but it also true combos on heavies from 42 - 50 and 37 - 42 on fastfallers, kills at the edge.

 

[WeirdJoe27]

"

Air speed 0.87 -> 0.92
Weight 115 -> 116
Landing lag

• Nair 22 -> 20
• Fair 31 -> 22
• Bair 33 -> 24
• Uair 22 -> 20
• Dair 35 -> 33"

We just got a weight buff and an air speed buff.

I wish Doc had gotten the same treatment. Not sure why Sakurai hates him so much. Oh well, at least my 'Zard got some nice buffs. This was an unexpectedly great patch!

 

[Shog]

I... am shocked. This is awesome!!
B-Air is amazing now whut. Back to Charizard Maining!!

 

[EvilPinkamina]

O- oh my. I just saw in the patch thread. T- that's an air speed buff. How significant is it to the people that have played him recently?

 

[arbustopachon]

It is quite significant, d-throw follow ups are way easier now, our recovery is now better and we have an easier time escaping juggles (although we still get juggled for days).

 

[EvilPinkamina]

Friiick now I don't know if I want to play Zard or Bayo when I get home. I mean, this is the one buff I've been asking for. I'm actually in shock. lmao.

 

[Shog]

Friiick now I don't know if I want to play Zard or Bayo when I get home. I mean, this is the one buff I've been asking for. I'm actually in shock. lmao.

Same here. Air Speed buff is exactly what I wanted, but we even got Aerial Move buffs (especially B-Air)

Time to fry opponents again!

 

[EvilPinkamina]

Time for zard to become viable in a competitive environment? Sheik and ZSS, two of Zard's worst matchups, got nerfed, PLUS the buffs. I'm feeling optimistic for the future of Zard.

 

[WeirdJoe27]

I've always felt Charizard was under-valued in a competitive sense. Seems to be one of the better heavy characters in the game. Now, with these buffs, I expect to see people take a chance on him. Seriously, he's got a ton of untapped potential, I predict we'll start to see it very soon. Good stuff!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The air speed increase could've been a bit better, but at least a single piece of Glider equipment can now raise Charizard's air speed to 1.15.

 

[Alex Night]

Time for zard to become viable in a competitive environment? Sheik and ZSS, two of Zard's worst matchups, got nerfed, PLUS the buffs. I'm feeling optimistic for the future of Zard.

I think we'll still have a crappy time against those two; just not a 35:65 deal anymore. I'd most likely stick to using Mario, Cloud, and probably Link for those two since they can somewhat keep up. That being said, I'm definitely using Charizard more thanks to that Air Speed buff being the same as Falco's.

 

[Davregis]

Hey, these look like great buffs! My other favorite Samus got buffed too, so I'll have to check these out :D

 

[ZephyrZ]

Oh my gosh, between the landing lag and airspeed buffs, Zard doesn't feel like a huge fatzo in the air anymore. Now he just feels like the relatively overweight guy he is.

He's finally the flying-type I always wanted him to be.

 

[Drflash55]

It seems like his Back Throw can Combo into Flare Blitz...

Need someone to test this to see if this can happen consistently.