Parachute Parade! - GnW Social Discussion

[Triforce Of Chozo]

I like Zac's G&W.

 

[Grey Belnades]

Can't we all just hold hands and sing Why Can't We Be Friends?

Remember, the true enemy is
...Well, he is for me.

 

[overgamer]

Can't we all just hold hands and sing Why Can't We Be Friends?

Remember, the true enemy is
...Well, he is for me.

I'd add Snake on top of that.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Marth/IC's imo, there just ********.

 

[GimR]

come one dude. Marth isn't that bad. I 2 stocked Pierce's Marth at Ktar 4 in tournament. He's not the best, but don't pretend he isn't good.

Also, ICies isn't that bad. It's still bad though.

Protip: Shield on a platform. when they u-air, up-B oos. Then punish them when they try to land on the ground

 

[Vex Kasrani]

come one dude. Marth isn't that bad. I 2 stocked Pierce's Marth at Ktar 4 in tournament. He's not the best, but don't pretend he isn't good.

Also, ICies isn't that bad. It's still bad though.

Protip: Shield on a platform. when they u-air, up-B oos. Then punish them when they try to land on the ground

Marth isn't the greatest marth ever! (love you Pierce)

IC's sucks :/

I do that for days!

 

[Alphicans]

Marth is pretty bad, you need to know how to trade with him. We can trade with a lot of his moves, and it's almost always worth it.

 

[Triforce Of Chozo]

Marth gets ****ed up once we get inside on him. Just look out for DS and DB. Our grab game > his grab game.

Also, just platform camp ICs, start on BF if you can. UpB will drag them up in the air with you if they get too auspicious with their upair, and from there you can proceed to **** them up.

 

[Alphicans]

Our grab game is certainly not better than marth's grab game.

 

[PentaSalia]

Marths tech in place into upb beats all of our options,except dtilt

Also Fair and Dtilt are your best options in this match up:L

Bair is also still very useful but don't get predddiiiiccctaaable.

 

[GimR]

Marths tech in place into upb beats all of our options,except dtilt

Also Fair and Dtilt are your best options in this match up:L

Bair is also still very useful but don't get predddiiiiccctaaable.

that doesn't make sense. If we have a 14 frame advantage then we can do more then that.

Also don't forget. You can clash with marth's up-B, he isn't invincible on the frame that it hits.

 

[Alphicans]

I am pretty sure regrab and insta-dash attack will hit marth if he techs in place. Charging smashes and timing it right will hit too.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

that doesn't make sense. If we have a 14 frame advantage then we can do more then that.

Also don't forget. You can clash with marth's up-B, he isn't invincible on the frame that it hits.

I thought it was invincible on frames 1-6 and hit on 6.

 

[PentaSalia]

oh forgot about dash attack,yea that works
Also just shielding in place will work as well lol
haven't tried regrab

Bad assumption on my part

maah baaaad

 

[UTDZac]

Also don't forget. You can clash with marth's up-B, he isn't invincible on the frame that it hits.

If this is true, then how does Marth UpB bombs on Green Greens without taking damage?

 

[GimR]

If this is true, then how does Marth UpB bombs on Green Greens without taking damage?

I dunno.

I'm saying all of this based off of what NL has shown me and told me. I was recovering as Marth and he kept stage spiking me and told me it was because Marth's hit comes out right when the invincibility is gone. I could be wrong though.



I do know for a fact that if we have a 14 frame advantage then we should be able to dtilt, utilt, jab, f-tilt, dash attack, and grab a marth who techs in place.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Marth is pretty bad, you need to know how to trade with him. We can trade with a lot of his moves, and it's almost always worth it.

Trading with Marth ***** Marth in this matchup. The last thing he wants to do is consistently trade against G&W. Specifically, he doesn't want to trade with G&W's F-air at all, and that will happen a TON if he thinks his F-air is amazing in this matchup.

Also Marth's Up-B is invincible 1-5, hits on 5. Checked on PSA for good measure.

And G&W's D-throw is stupidly underrated. =)

I wouldn't try U-tilting Marth after D-throw unless you know he likes to get greedy with tech in place Up-B, and he's at a percent where it would kill him (140ish will do).

G&W's need to step up their D-throw game. We should NOT be falling to bull**** after people tech in place. Either you commit to punishing the tech in place with something that works, or you commit to punishing a techroll.

Something occurred to me...I wonder if G&W can N-air tall people like Marth, Zelda, and Sheik for teching in place. God****it, now I need to research another move.

 

[Alphicans]

You completely disagree huh? Learn to read...

 

[Vex Kasrani]

@ Marth's upb frame data, I knew it was either that or 1-6, I just knew for sure it was invincible on the first hit, making it a true DP.

 

[GimR]

@A2ZOMG: N-air comes out on frame 12 or 13 so it should work on taller characters
also, B-air works on mk even if he doesn't tech

 

[A2ZOMG]

You completely disagree huh? Learn to read...

Oh, my bad. Yeah trading with Marth is super good though, and it's actually not as hard as people think it is. Also, give me a break. I'm normally very good about deciphering other walls of text.

What I was kinda thinking though, I really can't imagine Marth being anywhere nearly as difficult as Metaknight. Yeah he doesn't get D-smashed after D-throw, but in almost every way besides edgetrapping he is inferior to Metaknight. Most notably, his walls are not as hard to break, and he's easier to edgeguard.

 

[Alphicans]

Agreed.

The thing is, MK is impossible.

 

[A2ZOMG]

^That. How Vinnie does it...your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Alphicans]

If you wanna win vs MK, it has to be a close to 8 minute game, and you gotta kill at 80 or less every stock.

Oh and take at least 150% each stock.

 

[-Ominous-]

A while back, didn't we talk about punishing Snake's Ftilt? Like, somewhere between the first hit and the second hit, you can hit him?

 

[Alphicans]

Yeah you can hit him, but it's hard. I am pretty sure you can dtilt him, and probably fair. If you don't react fast enough you'll get ftilted or utilted.

 

[A2ZOMG]

A while back, didn't we talk about punishing Snake's Ftilt? Like, somewhere between the first hit and the second hit, you can hit him?

Snake if I recall is approximately -8 or 9 on block in between hits of F-tilt at max speed. If he ONLY does F-tilt 1 though, he's like...closer to -24 on block.

The point is however you should definitely try to F-air out of shield against Snake's F-tilt here and there. When you are in the air, his F-tilt 2 is significantly less dangerous given that it does about 2 less damage and significantly less knockback. If he tries to be "safe" with F-tilt 1, he just gets hit. If you get hit by a weakened F-tilt 2, it's less to cry about than normally getting hit by his F-tilt. It's a risk reward situation that is usually in G&W's favor depending on spacing.

If you're facing backwards though, generally just wait for F-tilt 2 and B-air out of shield. And generally speaking spacing B-air really well is not bad against Snake as long as you are observant about where he leaves his grenades.

Don't D-tilt out of shield unless he's at high percents and if you know he's going to F-tilt2. Just wait for F-tilt2 and then D-tilt out of shield.

 

[Exdeath]

I think that Marth/ICs are worse than Meta Knight. Marth's Up-B is definitely invincible on the first frame that it hits.

So Vex's GaW sucks? Uhhhhh what?

Consistently power ranked player, tons of tourney wins, basing this off of him 2 stocking MVD (who is NOT bad lmao and rly good, perhaps a tad unknowledged at the matchup who knows but still), etc etc etc I could go on forever. Vex is mos def a top 3 GaW and actually takes the time to practice and discover new techs and things about the character and such.

There is way too much salt in this thread

Why are you on the G&W boards?

 

[overgamer]

I think that Marth/ICs are worse than Meta Knight. Marth's Up-B is definitely invincible on the first frame that it hits.



Why are you on the G&W boards?

Psssssht, it's fine, we usually don't have lot of activities.

 

[UTDZac]

Got first in teams today. Beat Espy and KPrime. Teamed with Ice, a local Dallas player. It was fun.

The last time I played brawl was MLG Dallas, didn't practice at all before tourney either. Secret technique: spam UpB, Bair, and smash of your choice. Also, don't get hit.

 

[Rizen]

I'm tired of brawl for now and am taking a break. G&W is fun but not my style. I'll keep him as a secondary when I start playing again. Keep up the winning steak- oops, wrong boards. Keep up the good work and Dthrow combos.

 

[PentaSalia]

Got first in teams today. Beat Espy and KPrime. Teamed with Ice, a local Dallas player. It was fun.

The last time I played brawl was MLG Dallas, didn't practice at all before tourney either. Secret technique: spam UpB, Bair, and smash of your choice. Also, don't get hit.

omg,u double trolled me D:

loool

and gj

 

[Vinnie]

1st/8 in doubles today at DNA, me and Atomsk beat Fatal and Kool-aid twice. I used mostly ics/rob/peach in singles. The only game I advanced with g&w was against Bizkit one game, the other game I used ROB.

 

[Alphicans]

Peach and ROB over gaw? Really?

 

[-Ominous-]

Snake if I recall is approximately -8 or 9 on block in between hits of F-tilt at max speed. If he ONLY does F-tilt 1 though, he's like...closer to -24 on block.

The point is however you should definitely try to F-air out of shield against Snake's F-tilt here and there. When you are in the air, his F-tilt 2 is significantly less dangerous given that it does about 2 less damage and significantly less knockback. If he tries to be "safe" with F-tilt 1, he just gets hit. If you get hit by a weakened F-tilt 2, it's less to cry about than normally getting hit by his F-tilt. It's a risk reward situation that is usually in G&W's favor depending on spacing.

If you're facing backwards though, generally just wait for F-tilt 2 and B-air out of shield. And generally speaking spacing B-air really well is not bad against Snake as long as you are observant about where he leaves his grenades.

Don't D-tilt out of shield unless he's at high percents and if you know he's going to F-tilt2. Just wait for F-tilt2 and then D-tilt out of shield.

Mmkay, thanks.

 

[overgamer]

Peach and ROB over gaw? Really?

You can't imagine how good is peach when played properly. She definitively not in a correct position in the tierlist imo.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

You can't imagine how good is peach when played properly. She definitively not in a correct position in the tierlist imo.

Gnw is still better.

 

[Dooms]

Atleast when you're playing peach you can do things that are unpredictable :X

Spoiler

loljk

 

[sambo400]

If peach pulls out an item, does she have to get rid of it, or can you play with it?

 

[Triforce Of Chozo]

You mean are you allowed to beat their *** with it? Yes, you are allowed to play with it.