Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[#HBC | Kary]

Okay, is the stuff in blue a question? I have a scum read on Bardull but I'm a) not confident enough to vote him b) suspsicious of Seph's motives in waggoning Bardull. I like Seph's play because it promotes activity/reads etc. but was hoping he would come clean at some point and put across a case for Bardull. Witholding my vote seemed like a way I might get that, rather than hopping the waggon then asking why everyone else is on it.

I'm assuming like the olive part you want me to explain about getting more info from OS... well like early in the game I asked him a few questions, and a lot of the time he just ignored me, the few answers he did give were kind of WIFOM. If someone's not going to talk to me and a lot of their posts are just fluff, e.g. 'this is BORING' then I'm going to struggle to get a read on them. Didn't know how to provoke a reaction from OS, basically.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

EBWOP first answer is in present tense but refers to the time I was writing the post Rajam quoted.

 

[CT Chia]

@ chibo

while i can understand your logic to some degree...

i think scum is just in ronike/sangfroid/rajam/adumbro/you regardless of wagon shenanigans

Care to share some light on why you feel this way?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Chibo, you're cool to vote Bardull. Just look at his reaction.

Frankly, I would actually be FOR my lynch if it actually did give a ton of information and if it actually did put Town on the right track.

Do you even believe this in the slightest, especially looking at his play? The main (only?) thing he's been doing since he has been wagon'd is self preservation.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

He's trying so hard to look town, it's looking more like flailing scum to me.

Listen, Chibo, I can tell this to you because you can do the same thing as Rajam for me.

I wanted to keep this on the down-low for today and use it to force a claim tomorrow, but lynching Bardull is more important. This will explain a few things for you, @Marshy.

I am not a full-blown vig, I am a one-shot vig. This means that my only shot will be on night 1, that much I can tell you. Now, these are the situation that will happen with either lynch:

Lynch Kary
Shoot Bardull
Lynch Rajam/Ronike probably

OR

Lynch Bardull
Shoot Adumb
Lynch Kary probably

Now, if you want Adumb dead, go ahead and vote Bardull. Bardull will not see the light of day 2 in any situation possible. The only thing that lynching Kary does is keeping Adumb alive.

So, Rajam, Chibo, if any of you have a scum read on Adumb, I recommend voting for Bardull, so I can shoot Adumb tonight.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

O and Kary will obviously die tomorrow soooo that death you have guaranteed.

 

[Rajam]

btw we shouldve just ****ing lynched sangfroid like me and adumb told yall to do. its generally a pain in the *** to get anything out of her. plus she just viewed the thread while we have 2 wagons goin on and are on a verge of a lynch. apparently thats not interesting enough for her to post

@ ronike switch wagons and join the ballers

Curious... did you have a scum read on Sangfroid at this point? What do you make of SW's #303 and #321?

Not finishing the Day until you respond to this btw

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Leaning towards BarDulL not being the lynch toDay. So far what was buggin' me about BarDulL was his wording. In some opportunities in which he could've asked for motivations of other people's points, instead he was guessing them or just simply not using the opportunity. An example of this is #335. Upon re-read though I didn't found it as bad as I felt on a first impression and I couldn't find more examples, other than #125 in which he asks Seph about his fake-ness in a weird way but still the question is there instead of a guess / statement.

@Seph: Yep I still find adumbrodeus scummy but let me read a little more and I'll confirm you if this still will be up

 

[Rajam]

Wow, I have like two different reads on Sang....da ****? o_O

Her most recent post just sent two vibes to me but like I don't know which is stronger.

Nulls...I abhor reading them.

Pierce vote is the thing that's bugging me the most because of how...out of place and semi-forced it feels.

Rest of her reads are fine and something I could see from TownSang but the vote on Pierce and then her evening up the votes just is making me tap my foot.

Yo Marsh, whatcha think?

haha, same thing happened to me but with Sang's #303. At the end I'm leaning towards SW town

J being on Kary's wagon is another reason I'm joining that one up too

 

[frozenmarsh751]

unvote

rajam vote kary. ill be online by deadline. seph talk to me a little more on why adumbs a good shot

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Besides me reading scum on him, he is actually hard to lynch. Sounds like a good shot to me.

Rajam don't take that bait, he will hammer that ***. My point still stands, lynching Kary will not help Bardull and will only stop Adumb from dying. Kary will die anyway, just not today. You don't have to lynch him today.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

By the way, why are you still voting for Kary, Marshy? I thought you wanted Adumb dead.

Should be on Bardull, my claim is no gambit and it lines up with all the times I asked you to trust me.

 

[Rajam]

Oh, and finally, it seems that Bardull and I are at L-2.
Wondering what my best play is here.
Meh, don't have time right now.

Uh, don't kill me, please?

EBWOP: I mean, don't kill me right now at least
Don't want to come back and be dead

Too relaxed to be at L-2 imo

 

[Rajam]

Ready to hammer. marshy, address my #887 and then I'll vote Kary.

@Seph: Upon more reading, my read on adumb dropped from scum to null-slightly scum. So far I haven't seen solid reasons for BarDulL's lynch anyways. Please consider this:

- If Kary flips town then you'll shoot BarDulL ¿?; at least it will provide plenty of info for toMorrow regardless of BarDulL's flip
- If Kary flips scum please consider vigging John2k. or OS. adumb can wait

In terms of scummyness, Kary > adumb > BarDulL. If I lynch BarDulL I'm 100% assuring to kill the player on which I have the least scum read. Can't follow your "plan" when it could honestly fail due to night actions, and even if you "fail", there probably won't be much pressure on you toMorrow anyways.

Other reads:
- Pierce null. Too much armchair critic but I've played with Pierce before and it more or less is similar (was town both times). Still too much excuses for not doing anything so I'm not liking that.

- OS: Null, fine with being vigg'd

- Ronike: I'm actually fine with him being vigg'd too

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

So your 3 scumpicks will be dead by the end of D2 with my plan.

By lynching Kary, only two of them will be dead, except if I can push an Adumb lynch through, which is way more unsure than a Kary lynch.

It's simple number play right now, Rajam. Don't know why you're being so dense.

 

[adumbrodeus]

And if you don't get a bardull lynch, you actually expect us to believe that you'll shoot bardull over me? That's assuming you have any kills in the first place.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I don't even know what your issue is, Adumb. Why post that? Where's the basis? Where's the logic? What's your motivation?

 

[Rajam]

Thing is, I don't trust your plan and I have no guarantees it will work. Also the plans of "Let's lynch A toDay and I'll promise we'll get B toMorrow" usually fail unless there's some sort of cop-guilty involved. At this point I find Kary's lynch better and I'll stick to that.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Dude, just look at Kary. There's a 3 person voting block ready to lynch, there's Marshy and J and then there's a butttruck of other people ready to lynch him.

We'll get Kary tomorrow. Like I said, it's a numbers game at this point, but you're not optimizing the numbers, which disturbs me.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I don't even know what your issue is, Adumb. Why post that? Where's the basis? Where's the logic? What's your motivation?

Simply because you've shown a consistent pattern of lying and omitting over the course of this game in order to receive optimal results as far as you're concerned.


You did not mention this before because it did not serve your purposes, what evidence do we have that you're FINALLY telling the truth?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

...lol a dumb

Keep posting, Adumb. What about reads?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Ugh, so much dumb around.

Yeah, why not just sheep J. He was town in the last game, so yeah he's probably town here!

Seriously, I don't care if you think Bardull is town. Kill him and we'll go from there. My flip wins you all the wrong prizes
He's even said he wouldn't mind his damn flip if he thought it'd help town.

You guys really aren't giving me a chance, so dumb.

And Seph's playing WIFOM as persuasion again... this game.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Kary, please give us a full read list.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I can barely be bothered, Seph. You're all more or less null anyways, my reads are never right Day 1.
TOWN - marshy OS Seph Pierce Sang John Chibo Rajam Adum J Bardull Ronike - SCUM
Seph needs to come clean w.r.t. being a vig
OS needs to actually give some reads/push things
marshy needs to waggon his tom scum picks :/
Rajam needs to post some damn sense, at first I thought he was insightful now I just think he's not with the program
Chibo needs to be here but I suspect town due to disinterest
Adum needs to stop hopping things and start pushing them
J needs to just post something that has substance, isn't suspicion of other people/pushing a waggon
John's a slight town lean purely for his simplicity
Ronike needs to get the **** back in here and do something without being pushed by other people, right now he's a total waste of space and could well be scum.
Sang just needs to be here
Pierce needs a good Day 2 like he promised
Bardull should self vote or otherwise start making himself useful

That help at all?

 

[Inferno3044]

J (0)
SangfroidWarrior (0)
Rajam (0)
John2k4 (0)
Pierce7d (0)
Chibosempai (0)
BarDulL (6) Pierce, OS, Kary, Ronike, John, Seph
Sephiroths Masamune (0)
Ronike (0)
adumbrodeus (1) Rajam
Kary (5) Sang, J , bardull, Adum, Chibo
Overswarm (0)
Frozenmarsh751 (0)

Not voting: fmarsh

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in 12 hours!!

 

[#HBC | Kary]

last time I try the fabled quickedit all for a one letter typo

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@Mod sorry 'bout that.
P.S. I'm at 5 votes

 

[CT Chia]

This game needs A LOT less people telling others what to do.

 

[John2k4]

Alright, sounds good Chibo. Where would you like to start toDay, then?

 

[CT Chia]

He's trying so hard to look town, it's looking more like flailing scum to me.

Flailing scum? You kidding? Bardull hasn't been flailing at all. I think he's kept his composure very well, and the same can not be said for Kary at all.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Seriously seph, shoot me if you have the power to do so.

I've had more then enough of your attitude just because you got a power role this game assuming you did get one and aren't a generic townie thinking that gambits are a replacement for actual good play.

The most galling fact is that you have to actually be worked with or worked around because of this. At least in the past you may have been mediocre, but you weren't pulling a "do things my way or die threat".

And you weren't making constant unfounded personal attacks on everyone in the game.


Good f***ing riddance to this game if you shoot me, and marshy, remember if he can, he's a sk.

 

[CT Chia]

I wanted to keep this on the down-low for today and use it to force a claim tomorrow, but lynching Bardull is more important. This will explain a few things for you, @Marshy.

I am not a full-blown vig, I am a one-shot vig. This means that my only shot will be on night 1, that much I can tell you. Now, these are the situation that will happen with either lynch:

Why the hell would you claim?



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Also, has Kary claimed? If not, I really want to see her claim.

 

[CT Chia]

Besides me reading scum on him, he is actually hard to lynch. Sounds like a good shot to me.

So outside of what you said besides on, you want to night kill someone just because they are hard to lynch? lol what if they are town?

Why are you trying to hard to lynch Kary? You seem to not care if both die (since you say they will eventually), so why are you so opinionated one way or another?

 

[CT Chia]

Chibo needs to be here but I suspect town due to disinterest

What does this even mean lol

 

[John2k4]

It means if you were scum you'd actually care about the game instead of going week-idle.

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IIRC, both Kary and Barbell do not want to claim, and have both been given the opportunity.

 

[CT Chia]

Alright, sounds good Chibo. Where would you like to start toDay, then?

Well, I mean in general, not just lately. I hate it when people try to tell others what to do in mafia, especially in Day 1. It's all so wifomy.

I want to see a claim from Kary if she hasn't already. I also want to know why Seph cares so much about Kary dying over Bardull if he can ensure that both die either way. I'm bothered by his claim, there was no reason for it to happen.

 

[CT Chia]

It means if you were scum you'd actually care about the game instead of going week-idle.

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IIRC, both Kary and Barbell do not want to claim, and have both been given the opportunity.

I mean like, I get what she was saying, but it makes no sense lol. I've also put myself out here quite a bit in the last 12ish hours (even though it hasn't been much time, it's been a lot of posts, already more than Sang lol), and that's all she has to say about me? Probably town cause I haven't been posting? Usually skimming by is a scum tell, and hell I got one of my dice from a game where I was scum and didn't post at all on Day 1 I think lmao

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I know I saw Bardull didn't want to claim, but I haven't seen Kary discuss the topic. And I want her to claim lol. Like, I really do. If she wants to act as aggressive as she is coupled with Seph's interactions with this, I think it would be good to know.

 

[John2k4]

They have both been given opportunities to claim. Kary has ignored it, and Barbell has vehemently refused.

 

[Inferno3044]

Kary, please state your typo.

 

[John2k4]

You fixed it, Inferno. The number after Kary's name was wrong.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Flailing scum? You kidding? Bardull hasn't been flailing at all. I think he's kept his composure very well, and the same can not be said for Kary at all.

Well, you do realise Bardull went unannounced V/LA when he was at L-1 before?
And then he he was more or less cheering when you voted me?
But seriously, composure isn't really a tell one way or the other if you ask me.

I mean like, I get what she was saying, but it makes no sense lol. I've also put myself out here quite a bit in the last 12ish hours (even though it hasn't been much time, it's been a lot of posts, already more than Sang lol), and that's all she has to say about me? Probably town cause I haven't been posting? Usually skimming by is a scum tell, and hell I got one of my dice from a game where I was scum and didn't post at all on Day 1 I think lmao

Yeah but there's a difference between not posting at all, and only coming in close to deadline... meh whatever you're the most null of everyone IMO due to lack of stances, and I just have a hunch you're town because you don't seem to care what people think of you.

I know I saw Bardull didn't want to claim, but I haven't seen Kary discuss the topic. And I want her to claim lol. Like, I really do. If she wants to act as aggressive as she is coupled with Seph's interactions with this, I think it would be good to know.

They have both been given opportunities to claim. Kary has ignored it, and Barbell has vehemently refused.

Sorry John, but no.
Claims are like 95% WIFOM, so I don't see how you'll better be able to tell my alignment from just me claiming. You already know I may have a role worth claiming, but if I out myself at this point then i'm just giving scum more info to work with. Yes, I could just claim VT, but look, there's the WIFOM; and there's a chance it could make problems for me later on.

I seriously wonder if you guys read sometimes. Yeah, i'm soft claiming a power role.