Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[frozenmarsh751]

lol seph. j is a better scumhunter than you and easily os tho being better than the latter doesnt take much. os is garbage at lynching scum. hes proven this time and time again. dont act like his scumhunting opinion is valuable

pierce...some people just know how to read people

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Marshy, ya don't know ****. I've been having that mountain training for all these months ya kno! J has been sucking *** and should be ignored, the only reason he sticks around is for being a townbro. But we've had this conversation before, it's all good. We can figure it out together, your hot cacao and my soft vanilla skin will go all in on scum like dem black n yellow milkshakes baby. <3

 

[Pierce7d]

I don't care how good anyone is at Mafia. Having more information off of the flips is better for town.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

No but really, the day is over. Chibo, it's all up to you. I'm out for a while.

Kary = L-2

Bardull = L-1

and Bardull should die.

(ps bardull should die)

 

[frozenmarsh751]

Marshy, ya don't know ****. I've been having that mountain training for all these months ya kno! J has been sucking *** and should be ignored, the only reason he sticks around is for being a townbro. But we've had this conversation before, it's all good. We can figure it out together, your hot cacao and my soft vanilla skin will go all in on scum like dem black n yellow milkshakes baby. <3

lol

 

[adumbrodeus]

You're taking overswarm's philosophy of scumhunting, lynch whoever gives the most information and screw their alignment.

The problem is, you miss out on lynching scum or your most likely scum target. Lynching scum always gives more info then lynching town even a strong lynch takes that turns up town gives a lot of information to analyze.


Plus, bardull being town is bleeding obvious, what information are we gonna get out of it that we didn't get by knowing that it's obvious?

 

[Pierce7d]

LOL @ most likely scum target on Day1 with no empirical data to go off of.

Show me a player that consistently hands you scum on Day 1.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

uh

lynching scum d1 isnt hard at all and has actually happened a good amount in dgames. the "welp d1 INFORMATION LYNCH LOL" is a garbage mentality that is on some 2007 (when this room was created i think) ****

 

[frozenmarsh751]

Show me a player that consistently hands you scum on Day 1.

ronike

that was easy

 

[Pierce7d]

The key word was "consistently"

Ronike will most likely flip this game, and we'll see just how right you are.

In the meantime, feel free to use your skills to scum hunt. I lack those skills, so I will resume my method of play. I'm all for townbros doing awesome town things that I can't do.

 

[Inferno3044]

My bad guys. I was at my friend's graduation party.

J (0)
SangfroidWarrior (0)
Rajam (0)
John2k4 (0)
Pierce7d (0)
Chibosempai (0)
BarDulL (6) Pierce, OS, Kary, Ronike, John, Seph
Sephiroths Masamune (0)
Ronike (0)
adumbrodeus (1) Rajam
Kary (5) Sang, J, fmarsh, bardull, Adum
Overswarm (0)
Frozenmarsh751 (0)

Not voting: Chibo

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in under 24 hours!!

 

[frozenmarsh751]

ronike *does* do it consistently. that was my point

whatever tho

SCUM DONT NIGHTKILL ME PLEASE. KEEP ME ALIVE. WHILE KILLINF FROZEN N1 AGAIN WOULD BE PRETTY FUNNY HE HASNT EVEN GOTTEN TO POST YET. DONT BE A ****

 

[Pierce7d]

@Adumbrodeus

What is "bleeding obvious" about Bardull being town? Are you a day cop?

Maybe it's because I've never been scum in a Mafia game ever, but it seems like to me, a good scum player should look exactly like a good town player, since the purpose of being scum is to blend in with Town. There's a reason Town is supposed to outnumber scum at a 4 to 1 ratio. If it was as simple as, "Oh, these players are scum, let's lynch" then no one would play this game.

Unlike many of you, I'm entirely unsure who is scum, and who is town (because I'm not scum, unlike some of you super confident players.) I feel like if I was scum, it would be pretty easy to pull the wool over your eyes if Bardull's play gets a town clear. And I'm not trying to call out anyone for thinking that Bardull may be town, because I'm right there with you. But for those of you who are just really confident that Bardull absolutely is town, I'm definitely watching you.

That being said, my vote remains on Bardull because I still feel like I get the most information out of his lynch.

How about this . . . if you really want me to move my vote off Bardull, why not give me a better target, and not only explain to me how you absolutely know they're scum because of reads (because quite frankly, I'll believe it when I see it. I'll be noob town all day when it comes to Day 1 scum calls), but explain to me how voting for this player might be positive for town regardless of what that player flips.

 

[John2k4]

Hey marsh

Wanna hammer that Barbell?

 

[frozenmarsh751]

its too late for that pierce. ronike is the home run play and we cant get him at this point

isnt it 2am over there in east coast john? deadlines at midnight and im staying on kary hoping some of yall on the bardull wagon will budge. if deadlines near then i will drop the hammer simply so we can get to killing the actual scumbags

sorry for all the typos in my posts btw. i hate te phone keyboard

 

[Pierce7d]

Marshy, we've been at this all week. We all know you're not going to pass the lynch on Bardull in favor of a no lynch, we know Seph isn't going to budge, and we know that OS has made up his mind. Even if I thought your choice was better, I wouldn't jump wagons because at this point it would appear scummy as hell for me to do so.

What are you really waiting for?

 

[CT Chia]

Because Bardull doesn't understand that he has been scummy as ****. Enough people want to see him gone to have him lynched, and that's because he's been scummy, yet he doesn't seem to be able to accept that fact.

Chibo I'm feeling you as town. That's a good thing for the both of us. If you are the doc, please protect me, cool? I'm the vig after all.




Not really but whatever, Jaybaybay. Keep the dream alive!

That's not a real claim is it?

The controversy over the Bardull lynch is what makes him the best lynch for toDay. Lynching someone else will not do nearly as much for town, unless they're scum and Bardull is not. But the only people right now with the information to tell me that Bardull is not scum, and then hand me scum, is scum. So we should lynch Bardull, and move into Day 2.

Meh, I don't agree with this too much, though it does make me want to follow your reads off of it if it happens and see what you think about it.

I haven't read enough of everything yet to see what exactly makes Bardul scummy (but if someone wants to sum it up... awesome lol), and I'm getting mixed signals right now on the lynch, which makes me uneasy about it.

 

[John2k4]

I'm southwest, Marshtomp. It's 11:33 PM.


Agreed with Pierce; you might as well hammer since Barbell refuses to claim and such.

 

[CT Chia]

You're taking overswarm's philosophy of scumhunting, lynch whoever gives the most information and screw their alignment.

The problem is, you miss out on lynching scum or your most likely scum target. Lynching scum always gives more info then lynching town even a strong lynch takes that turns up town gives a lot of information to analyze.

This much better matches how I feel about using a day's lynch, which is also why I'm unsure of what to do at the moment. I vote for who I think is scum, and that's that. I almost never go outside of that mindset, and it also shows with my refusal to almost never partake in any RVS.

LOL @ most likely scum target on Day1 with no empirical data to go off of.

And 9 times out of 10 I agree with this.

 

[CT Chia]

I know some of my recent posts are a lot of like hey I agree with this or don't like this sort of thing, but as I'm reading and these things are pointing out to me that I can relate with, I'm pointing them out so people can get a better feel for me this game since I've been so inactive up until now.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

ok chibo. so how far are you into your read?

 

[CT Chia]

Hard to say since I'm not reading straight chronologically. I'm jumping around certain parts and skimming until I find beefier things, and also doing some reading going from the current to backwards, so I can have a better grasp on more recent things since the deadline is so close and we're stuck between two people on a lynch. Unfortunately though, my mind is still pretty scattered and clearly haven't made up my mind on anyone yet.

 

[BarDulL]

Funny, because this idiot has the most thread control at the moment. You're gonna have to comply, baby. No need to act tough when you've accomplished jack**** this game and any game before this.

You don't have thread control, you arrogant ****. All you've spouted so far is that I'm scum, but when you get called out on why you think I'm scum, you have "trouble explaining yourself." Aw, are you just too stupid to explain your scum read on me?

I really hope you're frustrated as hell right now, because you're a jerk. Lynching you will be fun on multiple levels.

I may seem like a jerk to you, but when you act like an ignorant and arrogant piece of **** who doesn't know his place in the world and you get in my way, I'm going to tell you how it is and make sure you understand how it really is. And REAL talk, you're just a ******* who can't lead Town for ****. You don't have a scum read on me. You don't have anything. All you have is a big mouth without a brain.

Seph, cool your jets. You seriously are not being cool with all these insults you keep throwing around just to throw them around at people.

J, you need more gusto. Gonna have to take control for a minute so I hope I have your support here.

@Chibo - Alright dude, I'm not Rubicante this game. I'm legit Town. I don't know why Seph has a scum read on me, or why John is sheeping me, or why OS/Pierce are sitting on my slot on the premise that I "give more data." As for Kary and Ronike, I'm pretty sure they're scum sans Kary who might actually just be a weasel. Frankly, I would actually be FOR my lynch if it actually did give a ton of information and if it actually did put Town on the right track. HOWEVER, I don't think my town flip is going to help anyone at all, and what's ultimately going to end up happening is Town is just going to lynch Kary next and nothing good will come from my flip. For example, when I asked Pierce where he would look if I flipped Town/Scum, he DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION. He ignored it. He does not even have a clue where he would look next, same with OS. They would just lynch Kary or some ****. I think they're just trying to find some legitimate rationale for lynching me, but nothing they say holds water when they're questioned further.

I've been pro-town pretty much all game and have voiced my thoughts/opinions/reads numerous times, so it's stupid as hell for any of them to think that I'm scum. That would be some Kira ****.

I don't know if Kary is for sure scum or not, but he's my second scum pick following Ronike and we don't have enough time to switch to Ronike. If we did have time, that's who I'd want to go for right now and I'd still be willing to switch my vote to him if need be.

So dude, please vote Kary or Ronike and DO NOT buy into what the wagon on me is telling you. None of them have any legitimate base for lynching me and it's beyond me why they still want my slot dead.

@Rajam - Yo dude, you need to hurry up and make a decision because we have no time left, only 24 hours. Or vote for Ronike,

 

[CT Chia]

Every flip from day 1 gives data, I'm not really worried about that.

You didn't claim yet right Bardul?

 

[BarDulL]

No Chibo, I haven't claimed yet.

 

[CT Chia]

Time to make things interesting...

Vote: Kary

I can't even remember the last time I've seen a mafia game with two different people at L-1 where there was like 9+ players alive.

I've been reading around here and there, but just mostly finished an ISO on Kary, and I'm pretty disgusted in her.

She is extremely contradictory, gets aggressive when pressure is on her, and more. She tosses around suspicion at times it seems and wants to hear things from certain people, but almost never mentioned me outside of a time or two. Early on called Bardull one of her biggest scum reads, but was too afraid to vote him, afraid of being seen as a follower. Not having the will to act on your scum reads and worrying too much about their own self image is hella scummy, that alone was almost enough to make me do the vote. I could go on even more, but honestly I think it's obvious why anyone would want to vote her. Anyone not convinced to be on her wagon, give her a lil ISO and read her posts chronologically from the start.

 

[CT Chia]

I would love to hear some player's thoughts on the vote lineup so far. As I mentioned, this is not a common scenario, two L-1s, especially on a day one. A lot of what I like to look for is if a townie is lynched day 1, I know that at least one scum basically has to be on that lynch pool, since it is otherwise WAY too rare for only town members to be swayed onto a single townie's death. With this in mind, it narrows your lynch pool automatically to about half of the remaining members, which can help keep you focused and get you better accuracy in lynches.

But with two L-1s? It's completely possible for both to end up as town, or one town and one scum, etc. In either situation, I'm wondering where scum would be on those pools. Early on from near the start of the day? Late day jumpers? Mixed between the two? All on one? If whoever we lynch today flips scum, I would say it's safe to say that at least 2 scummies exist on the other person's wagon.

 

[BarDulL]

YES!!!! Chibo I love you to death, you are a true bro.

RAJAM GET IN ON THIS SHIZ!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as wagons go, if Kary flipped Town, it's hard to say, but I would still go for Ronike for SURE. The only players who are still kinda null who are still on my wagon are Adum and Rajam since I haven't seen a whole lot from either slot and not much pro-town shizzle going down, only Adum vying for my slot being Town and Rajam being kind of a dead weight (but both share my read on Ronike, which is interesting.) Sang leans Town a bit albeit I want to hear more from her. J is FOR SURE Town or I'll be pissed. A lot of players like the Marshy slot and Marshy's slot differentiates a lot from his scum play in Hearts, so I'm pretty comfortable with him atm.

 

[CT Chia]

As much as I would love to, I'm not doing this to be a bro.

 

[BarDulL]

I don't care, you made the right choice and you're a true bro to me for not mindlessly sheeping my slot like the other guys. Bropower.

 

[BarDulL]

@mod - REQUEST RAJAM PROD!

Rajam, get the heck in here and make a decision dude, we need you in here pronto.

 

[Inferno3044]

J (0)
SangfroidWarrior (0)
Rajam (0)
John2k4 (0)
Pierce7d (0)
Chibosempai (0)
BarDulL (6) Pierce, OS, Kary, Ronike, John, Seph
Sephiroths Masamune (0)
Ronike (0)
adumbrodeus (1) Rajam
Kary (6) Sang, J, fmarsh, bardull, Adum, Chibo
Overswarm (0)
Frozenmarsh751 (0)

Not voting:

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in under 24 hours!!

Rajam has been prodded!

 

[frozenmarsh751]

lol this game. good call chibo

@ rajam

hammer kary. do it in your next post. dont worry about a claim and dont hesitate

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Well, I'm town. So.... all of this 'oh yeah you've got to go with who's scummiest' is just fecking bull.

If I'm scum, why'd I stick my neck out in the first place, asking a weird question 'bout a case on Sang?
If I'm scum, why'd I keep pushing Bardull even after I voted him?
If I'm scum, why'd I not hop the Ronike waggon just to avoid attention?

This game. Seriously, I can't believe the stupid **** Bardull has been calling on me. How on earth can you say I'm only pushing you because it came down to the two of us- I've been suspicious of you and pushing you for ages, you're being a hypocrite. And as for saying I feigned a PR, well that's straight up dumb- you have no idea whether i'm feigning or not, or why i'm doing it, and you haven't even asked me for an explanation.

Gonna respond to Chibo:

Vote: Kary
I've been reading around here and there, but just mostly finished an ISO on Kary, and I'm pretty disgusted in her.

She is extremely contradictory, gets aggressive when pressure is on her, and more. She tosses around suspicion at times it seems and wants to hear things from certain people, but almost never mentioned me outside of a time or two. Early on called Bardull one of her biggest scum reads, but was too afraid to vote him, afraid of being seen as a follower. Not having the will to act on your scum reads and worrying too much about their own self image is hella scummy, that alone was almost enough to make me do the vote. I could go on even more, but honestly I think it's obvious why anyone would want to vote her. Anyone not convinced to be on her wagon, give her a lil ISO and read her posts chronologically from the start.

Hey Chibo, how're you doing. I'm going to skip over some of the things which you haven't substantiated (aggressiveness, contradictory), because 1. they're not necessarily scum tells, and 2. I really don't think I have been this game. Oh, and expecting me to mention you when you've done next to nothing seems ridiculous, and I did ask you something like 4 days ago but guess what you're still not here.

But real talk, to suggest that I'm too afraid to vote someone is just wrong. I'm cautious, yeah, but that's not the same thing. When I see a waggon forming, being pushed on almost nothing by players I have no reason to trust, I'm not going to just hop that.
I'm entirely prepared to act on my read, and I have done, pressuring Bardull and voting for him. But somehow because I didn't leap on him straight away that makes me scum?
If I was scum, why on earth would I draw attention to myself by asking questions and not voting straight away. How on earth could I be so concerned about my image that I somehow make myself look really bad. Seriously, give me some credit.

So yeah, i'm frustrated, don't know what more to say. I don't give two ****s about my image or what people think of me, and maybe I need to change in future if it's going to lead to situations like this. But can you even be bothered to look at my intentions?
I don't think it's obvious why someone would want to vote for me. In fact, if it was I probably would've been lynched out of here 4-5 days ago. But what I can tell you is a bunch of people are voting me purely because I'm not Bardull. What the hell is with that.

Yadda yadda yadda

If you kill me, I want people to look at J and adum. Don't think either have come clean with their thought process and have been avoiding attention. J's opening post was more or less a list of people to be suspicious of, and adum's read on Bardull is basically 'well he seems town'.
Bardull may actually be town He should still die before me though, no offence. If we're both town I'm really wondering about Ronike, who has been very quiet when there's no pressure on him, and hasn't posted a lot of concrete stuff. No-one seemed that interested in actually pushing him, either.
Beyond that, lord only knows.

I think this Day has been pretty good all things considered, but hopefully we can do better tomorrow. I'm naturally going to dislike people on my waggon but I guess a bunch of them have just misread me. Gah. That's enough.

be cool

P.S. thought I'd leave you with this gem:

As far as wagons go, if Kary flipped Town, it's hard to say, but I would still go for Ronike for SURE.

Oh well.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

@ chibo

while i can understand your logic to some degree...

i think scum is just in ronike/sangfroid/rajam/adumbro/you regardless of wagon shenanigans

 

[Rajam]

I'm hammering Kary most likely, but later 'cause I need to check on both Kary and BarDulL and the cases on them just to be sure.

 

[adumbrodeus]

@Adumbrodeus

What is "bleeding obvious" about Bardull being town? Are you a day cop?

Maybe it's because I've never been scum in a Mafia game ever, but it seems like to me, a good scum player should look exactly like a good town player, since the purpose of being scum is to blend in with Town. There's a reason Town is supposed to outnumber scum at a 4 to 1 ratio. If it was as simple as, "Oh, these players are scum, let's lynch" then no one would play this game.

Unlike many of you, I'm entirely unsure who is scum, and who is town (because I'm not scum, unlike some of you super confident players.) I feel like if I was scum, it would be pretty easy to pull the wool over your eyes if Bardull's play gets a town clear. And I'm not trying to call out anyone for thinking that Bardull may be town, because I'm right there with you. But for those of you who are just really confident that Bardull absolutely is town, I'm definitely watching you.

That being said, my vote remains on Bardull because I still feel like I get the most information out of his lynch.

How about this . . . if you really want me to move my vote off Bardull, why not give me a better target, and not only explain to me how you absolutely know they're scum because of reads (because quite frankly, I'll believe it when I see it. I'll be noob town all day when it comes to Day 1 scum calls), but explain to me how voting for this player might be positive for town regardless of what that player flips.

Pierce, you already admitted that your d1 reads aren't good. I can be pretty damn sure that bardull is town due to actually knowing what to look for.

You might think that it would be easy to pull the wool over my eyes, but faking noobtown is actually really easy to detect, especially if you have previous experience with the player. If his play was regressive then it would've been easy to detect. If you played like bardull, you would be obvious scum because I know you know better.

See, that the real trick about scumhunting, the more you understand the
person and how they think, the better you'll be at it. That's why while I might get scumreads on town, I can count on one hand the townreads I've gotten on scum. I can give so many examples of where I've picked this out on d1, and town lynched them anyway.


Your methodology is flawed because by the time you actually start lynching the scummy players, you don't have enough lynches left. But at the same time, from an information prospective about the overall game, "who and why people were deflecting lynches away from people they have as scummy" is more interesting then "who was deflecting lynches from a townread" no matter what bardull flips.

Frankly, even if he does flip scum his lynch tells us very little.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Adum, stop being scum already. Give someone a reason to trust you, seriously. Why did you end up pushing my lynch over Ronike, anyways?

This game... what the hell.
Bardull isn't sure I'm scum, but he's super excited that he's not going to be lynched
Seriously, next time I draw a power role I'm not going to try and play it like i'm vanilla.

 

[Rajam]

Will be quoting / addressing stuff I don't like before hammering:

Yea cool. I agree with you, you're pretty good at mafia.

Join me now please?

*looks for bashful smiley*

I want Bardull dead again after his latest few posts.

why the **** is Kary not voting Bardull?
What?

Kary join me on Bardull or else I'll put question marks on your slot and lynch you the **** out of here.

Also Marshy join me please. I'll help you tomorrow as trade-off, deal?

Hmm, so you're appealing to me? Then you're just repeating you want Bardull dead, and now you're threatening me

Y'see, I dislike this as it puts me in a bad situation. If I vote Bardull, it looks like I'm co-operating with you, or appealing to you etc. But if I don't vote Bardull, that means I can't vote for one of my main scum-suspects at the moment. Looks like lose-lose.

How about I cut you a deal- if you answer this again:

@Sephiroths Masamune: please talk to me about Bardull. Give me some things that stand out to you about his play, some things you either particularly like or dislike. What do you think of the points I raised about him?

But actually a) Give me some things that stand out, and tell me why,
and b) tell me what you like about my case on Bardull, and why-

Then I'll vote Bardull with you?

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How many times have you played Scum in a team (i.e: Mafia, Indy siblings, etc)? How many times have you won?

How many times have you played scum by yourself (i.e: SK)? How many times have you won?

Yo, of my 3 (count 'em) games, I was scum once in Newbie 17, (Fire & Ice). I got killed by the other faction Night 1, but in the end we lost in Lylo. The daft thing is that my scumbuddy was all but non-existent til about Day 3.

@Kary/Bardull/Pierce: What makes you of John? Can you tell me of your opinion on the people in this little 3-some group thing?

Yo, I don't mind John so far. He's not so much here, but I don't mind the little he has posted. I may push him on a couple of things later, but yeah null overall.

Pierce- Can't really read him yet, waiting for him to pick up the pace a bit. Ok for now.
OS- Uh, don't like his play particularly, sometimes he seems to say something insightful but mostly it seems to be waffle. Huge posts about vote patterns/Sang for instance, not a lot to them in my opinion. Would like more from him as well, but don't really know how to go about getting that.
Seph- Actually really like Seph's play so far. Need to look into Seph vs Adum again (for tells), but I think he's going about things well, making activity etc. Remains to be seen how his pushes etc. play out. I think he can definitely stay for the time being.

Not liking how Kary handles this. Really non-commital with his own scum reads. Could've voted for his scumpick and still asked the same question(s) to Seph; fear to scrutiny should not be an excuse. Final deal feels off given that Kary already had a "like" read on Seph

Kary could you explain what did you mean in there?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Rajam if you still have a scumAdumb read at the end of your catchup, dont hammer and talk to me.