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P:M Jiggly differences from Melee
- Thread starter Kati
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GeZ
Smash Lord
Jiggs is fiiiiiine dawg. Her wavedash is mad cute, and she sings you to sleep and knows just what to do.
Does she still have that Brawl-sound when crouching? The squish-squish-squish cuteness?
Can't recall, but oh man I'm doing it next time I play her and I'm hoping it's there because BIG SMILE WILL BE ON MY FACE AT THE OTHER MAD-CUTE TAUNT!!!
Can't recall, but oh man I'm doing it next time I play her and I'm hoping it's there because BIG SMILE WILL BE ON MY FACE AT THE OTHER MAD-CUTE TAUNT!!!
Drodeka
Smash Journeyman
Everybody has already said it, but I'll say it again.
Jigglypuff is frame for frame, stat for stat, the exact same character, so make sure to let you're friend know how wrong he is and then slap his face with a slice of pizza.
Jigglypuff is frame for frame, stat for stat, the exact same character, so make sure to let you're friend know how wrong he is and then slap his face with a slice of pizza.
GeZ
Smash Lord
I know this post was forever ago, but I pick Jigglypuff up every now and then just for the squish squish crouches and wavedashes. Cute factor is 3 stronk.
BertEast
Smash Apprentice
I can't seem to be able to rest Marth or Sheik for their missed grabs like I can in Melee. Does anyone else have this problem?
DJ _ICE
Smash Apprentice
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Smashwiki says "Forward throw is significantly weaker, as it now deals almost half the usual damage, and its knockback scaling is considerably worse to the point the attack cannot KO effectively, encouraging Jigglypuff to instead follow-up with aerial attacks."
Is that true or is Smashwiki just being silly again
Is that true or is Smashwiki just being silly again
210stuna
Smash Lord
Lol @ Wikipedia and anything that has the word "Wiki" in it.
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
F-Throw is currently different than Melee. The throw has a second hitbox in Melee that can be SDI'd (it's one of the few throws that can be SDI'd). However, the second hitbox does not connect in Project M. We will fix this for the next release.
Hitzel
Smash Ace
How exactly does rest work anyway? I've never fully understood it.
MonkUnit
Project M Back Roomer
What do you mean? Rest has a very small hitbox that OHKOs on most stages. You need to be inside the opponent to rest them.
SoulPech
Smash Master
Question on Dthrow's damage output: Is there any plans to get that increased?
Brawl's Dthrow (sends into a dif trajectory btw) does 11-12% and gets stale down to 9-10% whereas Melee is at 7% Project M currently does mostly 8%...sometimes 7.
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MonkUnit
EDIT (cuz i'm bored): How about plans to increase her DACUS or maybe even decrease the ending lag of her usmash? I just feel these two tools are lackluster.
Brawl's Dthrow (sends into a dif trajectory btw) does 11-12% and gets stale down to 9-10% whereas Melee is at 7% Project M currently does mostly 8%...sometimes 7.
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MonkUnit
EDIT (cuz i'm bored): How about plans to increase her DACUS or maybe even decrease the ending lag of her usmash? I just feel these two tools are lackluster.
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PillsBuryDopeBoy
Führer President King DopeLord The VI
K peeps im in the process of making the a Project M "best version edition" where each character is basically at their best. So what version of Project M is jiggz the best in?
SoulPech
Smash Master
she received no changes throughout, so anyone will do.
BertEast
Smash Apprentice
Let's not be to hasty! Let's remember that sing buff she got in the latest version!/s
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SoulPech
Smash Master
oh yeah because that move is 100% useful.
I stand corrected.
I stand corrected.
krazyzyko
Smash Champion
She can sweetspot the edge from a bit further. She can "hug" the ledge without tap jump and sing edge cancel > rest FTW.
Calabrel
Smash Apprentice
Okay Jigglypuff mains, I'd like to know, definitely, with evidence (video/frame data), if there are any differences between Melee Jigglypuff and PM Jigglypuff. Please omit anything related to throws, we're aware of her throws. A reply to this thread will be all that's necessary.
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Chesstiger2612
Smash Lord
Do mechanics also count if they affect the gameplay?
SoulPech
Smash Master
With JIggs, you can RAR, DACUS, and you can USmash right out of Dash Attack, like Falco in brawl (he can do it in PM too) Up B is different too, but nothing significant. Other than that (besides me thinking her weight is lighter in PM than Melee) I don't know any.
SpiderMad
Smash Master
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There's a little more airtime or some'in (probly also first frame airborne aerials not reducing your height with insta-gravity like they did in Melee), so cool new stuff like SH Bair Nair became possible and dozens of other stuff for the Melee vets that revitalizes them and makes me love PM that much more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BixZR3-YiMw#t=239
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Calabrel
Smash Apprentice
Anything you know of is different is fine. I'm not looking to take away things you all deem better, but I want to hopefully address the deficiencies caused by the differences if there are any.
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Chesstiger2612
Smash Lord
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Gatling Combo and DACUS
Shieldpoke mechanics (shield gets poked if both player&shield collide with the hurtbox having most priority out of these hitting any thing) makes rests on low shields stronger
Footstool -> Rest on some characters
- (Those seem mostly to be things about other characters)
Jiggs doesn't benefit from RAR as much because of the great horizontal air mobility, other characters whose bair is their best spacing move and who hadn't that mobility before (!) can now challenge Jiggs' spacing better.
One thing you might need to check, you can grab a crouching Jigglypuff quite a lot with "high" grabs (it doesn't seem like crouching makes no difference but a lesser one, so probably a bigger part of the grabbox is on the level of the hurtboxes, still not the full window with the tested characters). Maybe the y-Offset of the grabboxes of other characters has changed (more likely imo), or the crouch's hurtboxes extend further down.
*probably adding stuff if I find more*
Gatling Combo and DACUS
Shieldpoke mechanics (shield gets poked if both player&shield collide with the hurtbox having most priority out of these hitting any thing) makes rests on low shields stronger
Footstool -> Rest on some characters
- (Those seem mostly to be things about other characters)
Jiggs doesn't benefit from RAR as much because of the great horizontal air mobility, other characters whose bair is their best spacing move and who hadn't that mobility before (!) can now challenge Jiggs' spacing better.
One thing you might need to check, you can grab a crouching Jigglypuff quite a lot with "high" grabs (it doesn't seem like crouching makes no difference but a lesser one, so probably a bigger part of the grabbox is on the level of the hurtboxes, still not the full window with the tested characters). Maybe the y-Offset of the grabboxes of other characters has changed (more likely imo), or the crouch's hurtboxes extend further down.
*probably adding stuff if I find more*
SoulPech
Smash Master
i forgot all about the footrest combo. It's also one of those tools that are not beneficial and only situational on some characters that I never use it, lol.
himemiya
Smash Lord
Purin and marth's voice sfx never really changed in brawl.
robosteven
Smash Lord
I was talking about every sfx except for the voice lol
Prince_Abu
Smash Lord
the main difference i think between melee puff and pm puff is that pm puff sucks ass
pretty sure they're the same man.
xed122
Smash Cadet
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no in melee rest can Kill with like 10% in PM are 20% thats why Puff is in the last spot with the IC´S in PM 3.2 clash tournament tier list
stage? character? where are you getting these figures from? actual tests or 'feel'?
xed122
Smash Cadet
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as you can read these is bassed in the tier list
Tier list is not based on the offensive collision of a particular move.
You have made a claim and have not provided proof to back that up. please provide proof.
xed122
Smash Cadet
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More that i can write there´s no proof, i can´t tape a good quality video, but i can tell you that i have never killed someone with a rest in PM with less that 20%, but in melee you can find videos of rest with lest of 10% and being killed
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This is terrible dude.
If you're going to make a claim, go out of your way to back it up.
Find some frame data.
make a low quality video with your cell phone.
Don't throw out anecdotal stories as evidence.
xed122
Smash Cadet
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its a forum soo i just given my oppinion, if you dont like it then go to antother placeThis is terrible dude.
If you're going to make a claim, go out of your way to back it up.
Find some frame data.
make a low quality video with your cell phone.
Don't throw out anecdotal stories as evidence.
What you said isn't an opinion. it's a measurable fact.
You could be right.
But you need to put the effort into providing evidence.
SoulPech
Smash Master
Rest is the same as melee. Rest doesn't kill at 10% (even in melee) unless there's poor DI. There are also many factors, such as stage and characters.