P:M Jiggly differences from Melee

[Kati]

Title says it all really. My friend plays Jiggs and is very nitpicky about... everything. What from melee has yet to be fully emulate by P:M for Jiggs? do the brawl animations cause any difference for hit-boxes?

Thank you

 

[Strong Badam]

there are none.

 

[GeZ]

I'd have to agree. Everything feels pretty much the same. Though I wish they'd patch in her crown skin from melee. But until then the nightcap is serving me well enough.

 

[himemiya]

pmbr needs to revive all her melee outfits cause the blue ribbon was the best.

 

[JayMan-X]

only difference is Jigglypuff has a DACUS now >_>
ie Nothing from Melee is different or missing

 

[0RLY]

Puff should be be able to cancel grounded sing somehow. The move already never hits, and when it does my opponent wakes up before I do and punishes me.

 

[SoulPech]

eh. I dont think she should. Ground-Cancelling Sing can make turn her into a broken character.

 

[HyperrCrow]

Though I wish they'd patch in her crown skin from melee. But until then the nightcap is serving me well enough.

There is a crown skin, but it replaces the awesome nightcap.
Although I have noted that her up throw isn't the same, tosses way too high now.

 

[GMaster171]

Who are you throwing? It's always had rather high base KB

 

[HyperrCrow]

I'm throwing the spacies. It might just be me, but I feel like she throws way higher than she used to.

 

[trash?]

Manual footstool means that, on certain characters, you can footstool into a rest. Don't know which character in particular, but presumably anyone with an upper hitbox as chunky as wario's, because he's the character I'm doing it on.

Functionally, jiggs is basically the same, but technically, there ARE new things you can pull off.

 

[SoulPech]

Jiggs is the same, but other chars are better, so it feels like she's changed, but that's not the case. Also, You can footstool Wario into a Rest.

 

[jruzzin]

Wrong you're all wrong about jiggly. There is at least one major difference I've noticed so far. Jiggly's up throw goes much higher than it did before. Before I could up throw and rest heavier characters and there was nothing they could do to stop it, now they go extremely high and comboing/resting is much more difficult out of the up throw.

 

[Tugnus]

Wrong you're all wrong about jiggly. There is at least one major difference I've noticed so far. Jiggly's up throw goes much higher than it did before. Before I could up throw and rest heavier characters and there was nothing they could do to stop it, now they go extremely high and comboing/resting is much more difficult out of the up throw.

Lol. Upthrow->rest ONLY works on spacies (Fox, Falco, Wolf). Let me guess, all of this "testing" upthrow->rest on heavy characters was on CPU's. CPU doesn't always react immediately after the hit stun ends. It really annoys me because I go through my recorded videos to see where I need to improve. I see an awesome combo that I had done, but then notice stupid CPU could have done something right before the finisher connected. Then I'm just sadface. Now the CPU's are just less stupid.

 

[Ninjamo]

Does anyone actually use Sing? I only remember it being usable in SSB64, and in Melee it was a good way to give your opponent a free hit.

 

[F. Blue]

Does anyone actually use Sing? I only remember it being usable in SSB64, and in Melee it was a good way to give your opponent a free hit.

Grabbing the ledge backwards/edgeguarding.

 

[ItsRainingGravy]

She can DACUS, and she has a Gatling Combo now.

 

[jruzzin]

Lol. Upthrow->rest ONLY works on spacies (Fox, Falco, Wolf). Let me guess, all of this "testing" upthrow->rest on heavy characters was on CPU's. CPU doesn't always react immediately after the hit stun ends. It really annoys me because I go through my recorded videos to see where I need to improve. I see an awesome combo that I had done, but then notice stupid CPU could have done something right before the finisher connected. Then I'm just sadface. Now the CPU's are just less stupid.

No yeah I know but the upthrow is for sure higher now. That's a fact.

 

[SpiderMad]

Lol. Upthrow->rest ONLY works on spacies (Fox, Falco, Wolf).

I think at a certain % it's a true combo on CF (in Melee)

So we're saying 2.6 changed up-throw to go higher or P:M has always had it go higher than Melee?

 

[jruzzin]

I think at a certain % it's a true combo on CF (in Melee)

So we're saying 2.6 changed up-throw to go higher or P:M has always had it go higher than Melee?

I'm not sure I just started playing Project M. But it's currently much higher than Melee. I think every character goes the same height up now but idk

 

[Paradoxium]

Jigglypuff is the same, the difference is the characters you face, the surroundings, and the graphics. Going from melee to pm feels odd at first, but going from pm to melee doesn't feel any different ( given that you play as the top tiers)

 

[jruzzin]

Jigglypuff is the same, the difference is the characters you face, the surroundings, and the graphics. Going from melee to pm feels odd at first, but going from pm to melee doesn't feel any different ( given that you play as the top tiers)

Dude i'm sorry but you're wrong. The fast fallers are thrown much much higher now in the upthrow.

 

[standardtoaster]

the distance they go on uthrow is a bit different (slightly higher) due to the way their hitstun animations work in relation to the current landing detection

 

[jruzzin]

the distance they go on uthrow is a bit different (slightly higher) due to the way their hitstun animations work in relation to the current landing detection

Exactly. That's what I've been saying. Thank you.

 

[Paradoxium]

Exactly. That's what I've been saying. Thank you.

Like I said, it's not jiggs who is different, it is the other characters -_-

 

[jruzzin]

Like I said, it's not jiggs who is different, it is the other characters -_-

No. Every. Single. Character. Goes high.

 

[Lukingordex]

No. Every. Single. Character. Goes high.

Because. Every. Single. Character. is different now.

 

[SoulPech]

the weight of the characters are different. I don't see anything wrong with this :/. Uthrow goes higher because of the other character's weight. If her throw WAS different, her Uthrow + Rest woudlnt work on any of the spacies.

 

[leelue]

the distance they go on uthrow is a bit different (slightly higher) due to the way their hitstun animations work in relation to the current landing detection

The... vertical distance?
Has something to do with landing detection?

 

[jruzzin]

God you are insane. It's not bad but it is different. There are still heavy characters and they still go higher.

 

[standardtoaster]

yes, leelue, it has to do with landing detection

 

[SoulPech]

Are..we REALLY arguing over up throw? A minimal change that doesn't effect the upthrow + rest on Fox nor Falco?

Ok.

 

[Burnsy]

Its not even a change. The u-throw is exactly the same, the result is different as it is the side-effect of a difference between the Brawl and Melee engine which the team is seeking to fix, so compensating for it on every move in the game is beyond stupid.

 

[DoH]

I feel like rest has less cool down now. Am I crazy?

 

[Strong Badam]

Dunno if you're crazy, but that is untrue.

 

[SoulPech]

i still find Puff is the same. Though it feels bair is different to me. Not in the sense of they changed the hitbox of it, but I think the brawl skin makes it appear better. It sounds confusing but i'll explain:

We all know Puff's Bair in Melee was disjointed. When it swung out, it was deceiving when it hit because the hitbox covered her entire foot and like half of it around her foot area. It carried over in P:M, but I think the designers made her feet actually cover the bair hitbox better. I know it sounds confusing and I hope someone understands where i'm coming from xD

 

[jruzzin]

I feel like rest has less cool down now. Am I crazy?

Bonkers.

 

[N00B64]

I'd have to agree. Everything feels pretty much the same. Though I wish they'd patch in her crown skin from melee. But until then the nightcap is serving me well enough.

you can download "Alm5252"s Melee jigglypuff costume set on brawlvault if you really want his/her costumes back before the 3.0 update

 

[robosteven]

SFX definitely have something to do with it. I don't know how, but they just make Jiggs in PM feel...chunkier. Aside from that, she basically feels like she did in Melee.

 

[NoAh MenQui]

I believe that tje data is the same as in melee, but maybe the ThrownN bone in theanimation is way to high, meaning opponents are sent higher cause of animating, not that the move is stronger or its data is wrongly transfer, that is brawl animation fault probably.

Edit:
That post was meant for UpThrow discussion on some posts I saw here