P:M Jiggly differences from Melee

[Nausicaa]

Wink on taunt is sexy.

 

[GeZ]

Jiggs is fiiiiiine dawg. Her wavedash is mad cute, and she sings you to sleep and knows just what to do.

 

[Nausicaa]

Does she still have that Brawl-sound when crouching? The squish-squish-squish cuteness?
Can't recall, but oh man I'm doing it next time I play her and I'm hoping it's there because BIG SMILE WILL BE ON MY FACE AT THE OTHER MAD-CUTE TAUNT!!!

 

[Drodeka]

Everybody has already said it, but I'll say it again.
Jigglypuff is frame for frame, stat for stat, the exact same character, so make sure to let you're friend know how wrong he is and then slap his face with a slice of pizza.

 

[GeZ]

Does she still have that Brawl-sound when crouching? The squish-squish-squish cuteness?
Can't recall, but oh man I'm doing it next time I play her and I'm hoping it's there because BIG SMILE WILL BE ON MY FACE AT THE OTHER MAD-CUTE TAUNT!!!

I know this post was forever ago, but I pick Jigglypuff up every now and then just for the squish squish crouches and wavedashes. Cute factor is 3 stronk.

 

[BertEast]

I can't seem to be able to rest Marth or Sheik for their missed grabs like I can in Melee. Does anyone else have this problem?

 

[DJ _ICE]

Smashwiki says "Forward throw is significantly weaker, as it now deals almost half the usual damage, and its knockback scaling is considerably worse to the point the attack cannot KO effectively, encouraging Jigglypuff to instead follow-up with aerial attacks."

Is that true or is Smashwiki just being silly again

 

[210stuna]

Lol @ Wikipedia and anything that has the word "Wiki" in it.

 

[MonkUnit]

F-Throw is currently different than Melee. The throw has a second hitbox in Melee that can be SDI'd (it's one of the few throws that can be SDI'd). However, the second hitbox does not connect in Project M. We will fix this for the next release.

 

[Hitzel]

How exactly does rest work anyway? I've never fully understood it.

 

[MonkUnit]

What do you mean? Rest has a very small hitbox that OHKOs on most stages. You need to be inside the opponent to rest them.

 

[SoulPech]

Question on Dthrow's damage output: Is there any plans to get that increased?

Brawl's Dthrow (sends into a dif trajectory btw) does 11-12% and gets stale down to 9-10% whereas Melee is at 7% Project M currently does mostly 8%...sometimes 7.

@ MonkUnit


EDIT (cuz i'm bored): How about plans to increase her DACUS or maybe even decrease the ending lag of her usmash? I just feel these two tools are lackluster.

 

[PillsBuryDopeBoy]

K peeps im in the process of making the a Project M "best version edition" where each character is basically at their best. So what version of Project M is jiggz the best in?

 

[SoulPech]

she received no changes throughout, so anyone will do.

 

[BertEast]

she received no changes throughout, so anyone will do.

Let's not be to hasty! Let's remember that sing buff she got in the latest version!/s

 

[SoulPech]

oh yeah because that move is 100% useful.

I stand corrected.

 

[krazyzyko]

Does anyone actually use Sing? I only remember it being usable in SSB64, and in Melee it was a good way to give your opponent a free hit.

She can sweetspot the edge from a bit further. She can "hug" the ledge without tap jump and sing edge cancel > rest FTW.

 

[Calabrel]

Okay Jigglypuff mains, I'd like to know, definitely, with evidence (video/frame data), if there are any differences between Melee Jigglypuff and PM Jigglypuff. Please omit anything related to throws, we're aware of her throws. A reply to this thread will be all that's necessary.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Do mechanics also count if they affect the gameplay?

 

[SoulPech]

With JIggs, you can RAR, DACUS, and you can USmash right out of Dash Attack, like Falco in brawl (he can do it in PM too) Up B is different too, but nothing significant. Other than that (besides me thinking her weight is lighter in PM than Melee) I don't know any.

 

[SpiderMad]

Okay Jigglypuff mains, I'd like to know, definitely, with evidence (video/frame data), if there are any differences between Melee Jigglypuff and PM Jigglypuff. Please omit anything related to throws, we're aware of her throws. A reply to this thread will be all that's necessary.

There's a little more airtime or some'in (probly also first frame airborne aerials not reducing your height with insta-gravity like they did in Melee), so cool new stuff like SH Bair Nair became possible and dozens of other stuff for the Melee vets that revitalizes them and makes me love PM that much more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BixZR3-YiMw#t=239

 

[Calabrel]

Do mechanics also count if they affect the gameplay?

Anything you know of is different is fine. I'm not looking to take away things you all deem better, but I want to hopefully address the deficiencies caused by the differences if there are any.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

+
Gatling Combo and DACUS

Shieldpoke mechanics (shield gets poked if both player&shield collide with the hurtbox having most priority out of these hitting any thing) makes rests on low shields stronger

Footstool -> Rest on some characters

- (Those seem mostly to be things about other characters)
Jiggs doesn't benefit from RAR as much because of the great horizontal air mobility, other characters whose bair is their best spacing move and who hadn't that mobility before (!) can now challenge Jiggs' spacing better.

One thing you might need to check, you can grab a crouching Jigglypuff quite a lot with "high" grabs (it doesn't seem like crouching makes no difference but a lesser one, so probably a bigger part of the grabbox is on the level of the hurtboxes, still not the full window with the tested characters). Maybe the y-Offset of the grabboxes of other characters has changed (more likely imo), or the crouch's hurtboxes extend further down.

*probably adding stuff if I find more*

 

[SoulPech]

i forgot all about the footrest combo. It's also one of those tools that are not beneficial and only situational on some characters that I never use it, lol.

 

[himemiya]

SFX definitely have something to do with it. I don't know how, but they just make Jiggs in PM feel...chunkier. Aside from that, she basically feels like she did in Melee.

Purin and marth's voice sfx never really changed in brawl.

 

[robosteven]

Purin and marth's voice sfx never really changed in brawl.

I was talking about every sfx except for the voice lol

 

[Prince_Abu]

the main difference i think between melee puff and pm puff is that pm puff sucks ass

 

[xed122]

rest are more powerful in melee

 

[Narpas_sword]

rest are more powerful in melee

pretty sure they're the same man.

 

[xed122]

pretty sure they're the same man.

no in melee rest can Kill with like 10% in PM are 20% thats why Puff is in the last spot with the IC´S in PM 3.2 clash tournament tier list

 

[Narpas_sword]

no in melee rest can Kill with like 10% in PM are 20% thats why Puff is in the last spot with the IC´S in PM 3.2 clash tournament tier list

stage? character? where are you getting these figures from? actual tests or 'feel'?

 

[xed122]

stage? character? where are you getting these figures from? actual tests or 'feel'?

as you can read these is bassed in the tier list

 

[Narpas_sword]

as you can read these is bassed in the tier list

Tier list is not based on the offensive collision of a particular move.

You have made a claim and have not provided proof to back that up. please provide proof.

 

[xed122]

Tier list is not based on the offensive collision of a particular move.

You have made a claim and have not provided proof to back that up. please provide proof.

More that i can write there´s no proof, i can´t tape a good quality video, but i can tell you that i have never killed someone with a rest in PM with less that 20%, but in melee you can find videos of rest with lest of 10% and being killed

 

[Narpas_sword]

More that i can write there´s no proof, i can´t tape a good quality video, but i can tell you that i have never killed someone with a rest in PM with less that 20%, but in melee you can find videos of rest with lest of 10% and being killed

This is terrible dude.
If you're going to make a claim, go out of your way to back it up.
Find some frame data.
make a low quality video with your cell phone.

Don't throw out anecdotal stories as evidence.

 

[xed122]

This is terrible dude.
If you're going to make a claim, go out of your way to back it up.
Find some frame data.
make a low quality video with your cell phone.

Don't throw out anecdotal stories as evidence.

its a forum soo i just given my oppinion, if you dont like it then go to antother place

 

[Narpas_sword]

its a forum soo i just given my oppinion, if you dont like it then go to antother place

What you said isn't an opinion. it's a measurable fact.
You could be right.
But you need to put the effort into providing evidence.

 

[SoulPech]

Rest is the same as melee. Rest doesn't kill at 10% (even in melee) unless there's poor DI. There are also many factors, such as stage and characters.