P:M Equipped, Brawl Falco.

[Celestis]

This is something I always thought would have been neat.
I know this entire thing started because they wanted to see if they could restore Falco to his Melee self, but I have always wondered what it would have been like if Falco was made just as awesome, but with his Brawl move set.

I mean we all know Melee Falco was amazing. But if the PM Team can take Lucas and make him into awesome, but still keep his moves intact. I bet they could have done something just as awesome with Falco, too.

I know it will never happen, and its probably better that way. But I was curious on some of your thoughts on such an idea.

 

[The_Altrox]

Melee Falco is obviously a good edition, but I do wish some of Brawl Falco's aspects were used (if not on him, then with somebody else).
All the more reason to bring Slippy or Peppy to PM

 

[MoonlapseOpethian]

I would've liked it to, and the PMBR explicitly stated that PM was not to be a 1:1 clone of Melee, but Melee Falco was iconic to the metagame of Melee. So many people would be butthurt if Falco wasn't his Melee self. Him and Fox are basically off limits to mass changes for some reason.

But yeah, I sorta feel your pain G2 Luffy senpai.

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

I would've liked it to, and the PMBR explicitly stated that PM was not to be a 1:1 clone of Melee, but Melee Falco was iconic to the metagame of Melee. So many people would be butthurt if Falco wasn't his Melee self. Him and Fox are basically off limits to mass changes for some reason.

But yeah, I sorta feel your pain G2 Luffy senpai.

Well we've seen their reactions to minor changes to Fox and Falco so I wouldn't put it past them to send death threats if anything major changed.

 

[Peño]

so what exactly is the difference between melee falco and brawl falco besides the weird kick shine?

 

[MonkUnit]

Different F-Smash, rapid jab, N-Air, F-Air, are just a few things that are different between Melee and Brawl Falco. There are a lot more things that are different such as how the hitboxes work, but I only listed moves that are entirely different between the two games.

 

[PhantasyStar]

Melee Falco is obviously a good edition, but I do wish some of Brawl Falco's aspects were used (if not on him, then with somebody else).
All the more reason to bring Slippy or Peppy to PM

I just imagined Slippy wave-shining into an up-smash and laughed to myself.

 

[Celestis]

There would be so much Butthurt, I know. I was even slightly butt hurt when they nerfed them x] But its whatever.
But Falco seems to be the only real clone left. Toon Link has been further separated from link, and Ganon.. Well I guess he still suffers a little bit of it.

 

[Vigilante]

I was originally open to the idea of aesthetic differences and still kind of am. However, it's dificult to change how a move looks but keep similar hitboxes.

That, and Melee Falco is much more popular in terms of design Still, I once pondered the idea of Brawl N-air being a new animation for F-air, albeit I don't think it is possible without moving hiboxes. I've also though of the potential of Firebird being blue flames, but I'm not sure how popular that idea would be.

 

[Ginge]

I've also though of the potential of Firebird being blue flames, but I'm not sure how popular that idea would be.

All fire should be turned purple. Project M Hype

 

[Arteen]

I'd be cool with different-colored flames for Falco. I like Fox and Falco have different blaster colors. It's a nice, simple way to differentiate the two moves.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

I was originally open to the idea of aesthetic differences and still kind of am. However, it's dificult to change how a move looks but keep similar hitboxes.

That, and Melee Falco is much more popular in terms of design Still, I once pondered the idea of Brawl N-air being a new animation for F-air, albeit I don't think it is possible without moving hiboxes. I've also though of the potential of Firebird being blue flames, but I'm not sure how popular that idea would be.

Well Fire Wolf is purple, so I don't see why Falco can't have a different color. Heck, since Fox has red lasers and red fire and Falco has blue lasers, blue fire could work for him.

 

[turtletank]

Ok so the moves that were changed for PM Falco are:

• F-smash
• N-air
• F-air
• U-tilt
• Reflector (kicked)

I gotta agree with Vigilante, I would most like to see his F-smash and a reworked Noot to return. How bad would it be to have slightly differing hitboxes, really? His F-air is hardly used and his F-smash is a finisher, so I doubt it will affect the meta significantly.

 

[foxygrandpa]

Well Fire Wolf is purple, so I don't see why Falco can't have a different color. Heck, since Fox has red lasers and red fire and Falco has blue lasers, blue fire could work for him.

my ultimate dream is different colors based on costume. Not even sure if that programmable though.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Switching Falco's FSmash back to Brawl animation would be a major range nerf, FYI.

If you don't think it's a huge deal, consider how important spacing is in this game and the fact that Marth is top tier off a meta of being at the exact right position at the right time.

 

[Zeallyx]

I was originally open to the idea of aesthetic differences and still kind of am. However, it's dificult to change how a move looks but keep similar hitboxes.

That, and Melee Falco is much more popular in terms of design Still, I once pondered the idea of Brawl N-air being a new animation for F-air, albeit I don't think it is possible without moving hiboxes. I've also though of the potential of Firebird being blue flames, but I'm not sure how popular that idea would be.

Blue flames for Falco's up b would be really cool imo too.

 

[JOE!]

Switching Falco's FSmash back to Brawl animation would be a major range nerf, FYI.

If you don't think it's a huge deal, consider how important spacing is in this game and the fact that Marth is top tier off a meta of being at the exact right position at the right time.

Marth isn't top tier though.

However, how significant would it really be? I'm guessing the change would be a trade between vertical and horizontal reach?

 

[0RLY]

Switching Falco's FSmash back to Brawl animation would be a major range nerf, FYI.

Obviously it wouldn't be exactly like brawl. It would be sped up significantly. Likely so that it has the same startup and cooldown as melee fsmash. The only change would be the location of the hitboxes. Or maybe the hitboxes will stay the same, idk what the two hitboxes look like. So it'd basically just be an animation change.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Obviously it wouldn't be exactly like brawl. It would be sped up significantly. Likely so that it has the same startup and cooldown as melee fsmash. The only change would be the location of the hitboxes. Or maybe the hitboxes will stay the same, idk what the two hitboxes look like. So it'd basically just be an animation change.

... did you even read my post? I specifically mentioned that switching the move back would be a major range nerf, due to the different animations. Falco moves quite a bit with his Melee FSmash.

 

[Christopher Rodriguez]

... did you even read my post? I specifically mentioned that switching the move back would be a major range nerf, due to the different animations. Falco moves quite a bit with his Melee FSmash.

.. I'm sure they could just buff/the range of the fsmash to match the melee one then if you want to get literal, no big deal. Seems feasible enough, not sure if itd be worth it though

 

[Bleck]

Or they could come up with an entirely new animation that preserves the flavor of the Brawl attack while keeping the attributes of the Melee attack.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Or they could come up with an entirely new animation that preserves the flavor of the Brawl attack while keeping the attributes of the Melee attack.

The point of which would be ...?

Falco's Melee attacks work. We know the attack attributes are different from Fox's. I'm not sure why we need different animations if we all want the same attributes. (Which we do. Falco's kit is good. A little too good, maybe, but that's not the point here.)

 

[MLGF]

It's not happening, Falco is a fan favorite. Even his F-Air, the only reasonable change IMO, is immune to any changes because of how sacred Falco is to Melee players.
Although, Blue FireFalco would be cool.

 

[Empyrean]

Although I loved Falco in Brawl (nair, fair, utilt and SHDL was amazing), MLGF said it best. Never happening.

 

[The_Altrox]

It's not happening, Falco is a fan favorite. Even his F-Air, the only reasonable change IMO, is immune to any changes because of how sacred Falco is to Melee players.
Although, Blue FireFalco would be cool.

It's too bad though, because love or hate Brawl, they did a very good job of Luigifying Falco. He turned out to be a very good character with the parameters of that game, but with a different build.
All the more reason to make Peppy or Slippy the 5th space animal (behind Fox, Falco, Wolf, and Lucas)

 

[MLGF]

I dunno, Luigified or not, Falco was certainly his own character in Melee and I'm fine with him being like his Melee incarnation.
I do think a few aesthetics would appease casuals, but I really can't fathom anything else.

 

[The_Altrox]

I'm not saying he wasn't his own character (he did have plenty of unique stuff), but he was far more of a clone in Melee than he was in Brawl.
Again, 5th Space Animal!
http://infinitesmashteam.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/slippy-toad.png

 

[wiiztec]

my ultimate dream is different colors based on costume. Not even sure if that programmable though.

They've already done basically that with fire peach

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

brawls reflector in PM?

 

[Celestis]

It's not happening, Falco is a fan favorite. Even his F-Air, the only reasonable change IMO, is immune to any changes because of how sacred Falco is to Melee players.
Although, Blue FireFalco would be cool.

Well we all know its never happening. I'm just looking for opinions is all. =3

 

[The_Altrox]

brawls reflector in PM?

I imagine that it could have been integrated very well with a different character.

 

[Bleck]

The point of which would be ...?

Appeasing people who (reasonably) believe that the two (arguably) central characters of the game being visually the same in every respect is really boring, while simultaneously appeasing people who insist that Project M has to be Project Melee.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

while simultaneously appeasing people who insist that Project M has to be Project Melee.

You weren't around for when Falco actually did have different animations but Melee move properties and literally everyone complained his moves were different, when in fact they weren't, huh?

 

[Renji64]

Can the blue fire thing happen that would be dope.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

I imagine that it could have been integrated very well with a different character.

no

 

[The_Altrox]

no

Care to explain why it couldn't work as a move? I'm not even saying on Falco or necessarily anybody else in the current cast. But the move itself: why would it not work in PM?

 

[Bleck]

You weren't around for when Falco actually did have different animations but Melee move properties and literally everyone complained his moves were different, when in fact they weren't, huh?

I don't see why people reacting irrationally to something is grounds to get rid of it. Who the **** cares if some moron thinks it feels different when - surprise - it isn't?

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

When "some moron" is the majority of the Melee playerbase who wants their main to be and feel the same, regardless of how rational it is, and you need their support to continue to survive ... Yeah, P:M is kind a slave to the whims of the Melee crowd at the moment. Best not to fight it for now

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

Care to explain why it couldn't work as a move? I'm not even saying on Falco or necessarily anybody else in the current cast. But the move itself: why would it not work in PM?

The PM envornioment is no where near the same as the one in brawl. Here is the stats of the brawl falco down B:

Hits on frame: 4 – 6 at least (that is very slow and you will get grabbed for days.)
Shield hit lag: 0
Shield stun: 9
Advantage: -34 frames (EXTREMELY punishable, ESPECIALLY IN PM, you will die for using this)
Total: 51 you ain't shining ****


What makes YOU think, it would be any good at all? Because I just don't see it, at all.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Clearly, the best way to Luigify Falco is to give him multiple jumps, since he's a bird.

Makes sense, right?