Oregon Smash Community [OSC] - Oregon's official Smash Community est. 2005

[jankerrific]

timmy admin works great. i still stick with bart minh and jesse as panelists. they are all very active and each from a different city.... cause that matters so much. i dont even see why they are not considered tommy. they know the game very well, attend just about every event and have a good eye for recognizing smash skill.

above all else they are super active, good players. jesse may not be on the boards much but he is always easy to get a hold of and attends every smash get together/tournament he can.

 

[T0MMY]

timmy admin works great. i still stick with bart minh and jesse as panelists. they are all very active and each from a different city.... cause that matters so much. i dont even see why they are not considered tommy. they know the game very well, attend just about every event and have a good eye for recognizing smash skill.

above all else they are super active, good players. jesse may not be on the boards much but he is always easy to get a hold of and attends every smash get together/tournament he can.

I never said they couldn't be considered, I just said Foos would make a very good panelist and I gave my reasoning. If anything, it will encourage him to be more active in the community, and nobody can get enough Foosy at a Smashfest ;^D
Since I already named one person I'd like to see as a panelist, I'd rather hear some suggestions from others here.
Jesse would make a good panelist as well, but I don't think he's active enough on the boards, and I wouldn't say he attends every tourney because he has had some valid johns like breaking his ankle and quitting Smash. These two reasons are why I went with Foos instead.
Minh would also make a good panelist, and I was probably the first to suggest him a long time before all this. He gets my approval by far.
Tudios is the only person who said he'd be a panelist if there wasn't enough people otherwise since.
Aftermath was on the original panelist group, and I think him living in WA would disqualify him.
As far as confirmation goes, it's only Foos and Tudios (who opted for a temporary position only).

t!mmy is obviously an incredible Administrator, I have no qualms with his qualification, twin bias aside--I'm sure the majority of the community would agree.

As far as which PR list (if any) is unlocked, that is purely based on the mod's decision, not any of ours. Just as nobody was responsible for locking them other than the mods. So it's pointless to discuss which one to unlock, we just need to present to them who the admin and panelists are and let them decide what to do with this mess.

 

[joshisrad]

Disagree with Foos being panelist. Agree with Minh being one.

 

[FoosJr]

Wow I didn't know there was going to be such a long argument about a pr it is taking way to much time to get this all figured out. Remember being a panelist is open to anyone who wants to be one. So anyone who wants to be a panelist start stepping up to the plate. I've had enough of this voting to be on the pr list it's open to anyone who wants to be on it.

 

[Balloon]

I never said they couldn't be considered, I just said Foos would make a very good panelist and I gave my reasoning. If anything, it will encourage him to be more active in the community, and nobody can get enough Foosy at a Smashfest ;^D
Since I already named one person I'd like to see as a panelist, I'd rather hear some suggestions from others here.
Jesse would make a good panelist as well, but I don't think he's active enough on the boards, and I wouldn't say he attends every tourney because he has had some valid johns like breaking his ankle and quitting Smash. These two reasons are why I went with Foos instead.
Minh would also make a good panelist, and I was probably the first to suggest him a long time before all this. He gets my approval by far.
Tudios is the only person who said he'd be a panelist if there wasn't enough people otherwise since.
Aftermath was on the original panelist group, and I think him living in WA would disqualify him.
As far as confirmation goes, it's only Foos and Tudios (who opted for a temporary position only).

t!mmy is obviously an incredible Administrator, I have no qualms with his qualification, twin bias aside--I'm sure the majority of the community would agree.

As far as which PR list (if any) is unlocked, that is purely based on the mod's decision, not any of ours. Just as nobody was responsible for locking them other than the mods. So it's pointless to discuss which one to unlock, we just need to present to them who the admin and panelists are and let them decide what to do with this mess.

I've been all for having Timmy as a panelist from the very beginning of PR discussion.

I disagree with Foos being one.

I disagree with Tommy being one, not because of what it might at first seem, but because having both twins as panelists seems counterproductive.

Making a Power Ranking is not a popularity contest. This is about if OR wants a PR List and doing it well.

Neither thread has to technically reopen. Those of us who want the Oregon PR to happen need to take action together, as a state. This is why all OR PR threads have been closed by nealdt - he wants us to come together and agree on what needs to be done and how to do it. Any ranking or list of players is secondary to this, and some of you seem to have forgotten that.

What we need to discuss, agree on, and notify the moderators of is who the maker of the thread should be (i.e. Regional Administrator / Sponsor) and a minimum of 3 panelists who will discuss and maintain the Oregon Power Rankings.

Timmy, you still seem to think that the three panelists we had for the thread I created didn't discuss the list. We did. We used the last two tournaments as a base and then discussed. It was never all about the placings people had.

Tommy suggests that I have a bias: I do not, and never did. The reason he did not appear on the PR list is because of his tournament performance, which again was a base for discussion. If he did better in the tournament, he for sure would have been on. I don't see how it can even be suggested that bias took place on the list when all three of us discussed it.

Just because I've never run a tournament doesn't mean I know how to, and it definitely doesn't mean I don't know how to run an effective PR. It's not like I just had the idea and did it. There were reasons behind it for sure.

To add to all of this, I am pretty sure that I'm known for being helpful toward the players that aren't quite as up to par as others. That's something I take pride in: when I play, I don't just play and win. I offer suggestions, and although I sometimes hesitate to, never do I deny such a thing when asked.

 

[T0MMY]

Remember being a panelist is open to anyone who wants to be one. So anyone who wants to be a panelist start stepping up to the plate. I've had enough of this voting to be on the pr list it's open to anyone who wants to be on it.

You hit the nail on the head, Foos. We have no time to take votes, we're making an admin to sponsor a group of a (minimum) of three panelists. You're up for a panelist position, you've attested your commitment and I have faith in you.
Everyone else mentioned is also up for the position as well, if they don't want the position, they should inform everyone.

I've been all for having Timmy as a panelist from the very beginning of PR discussion.

I disagree with Tommy being one, not because of what it might at first seem, but because having both twins as panelists seems counterproductive.

I said that the bias you do have, because we all have one, should be taken into consideration because it was profoundly expressed in a lot of posts made in regards to me personally. It's not so much about that your PR list wasn't discussed, it was shown that it was capricious, not well up to the standards we were looking for, thereby it was closed by the mods under that pretense. Additionally it was decided to take statistics from tournaments that had brackets that were corrupted or lost somehow, suggesting it was reflected on later rather than analyzing the data. Additionally I pull in the question of why the last two tournaments were the only ones being considered when we've had plenty of tournament records in addition to the last two. Also, it disregarded the placings of people who do well against everyone in-state as well as out-of-state. This is what the Round Robin tourney was giving us information on (a PR list). And, lastly, information on OoS tournaments were disregarded; look at the data on OoS tourneys and you'll see I've performed better than any other player in that regard, taking 1st seed and doing well in crews. I would support your PR thread if these issues were addressed.

With all this drama going on I suggested we were both suspended as panelists because ill feeling would get in the way. Everyone should consider that panelists are not permanent positions, they can be added or removed from their position at any time. I don't think t!mmy being an administrator puts him in position of being a panelist, so your reason for me not being a panelist wouldn't matter. However, I will only take the position if there is no 3rd panelist, due to recent situations. But, there will most definitely be three panelists, so I am declining that position.

 

[Balloon]

Tommy, read my post directed at you in the OSU thread I believe it is.

Anyway, the reason we hadn't taken into consideration many of the past tournaments was due to our not having all the results from them on hand at the time. We just wanted to start out brand new, as if SF:E was the first tournament.

Also, pretty **** sure I did better than you at OC3, placing (along with others) 17th in teams, defeating MikeMonkey/Noobking and placing first in our pool. I placed second in my singles pool next to MikeMonkey, but didn't get too far in singles. Not sure where you got in singles. But, all of this really is beside the point.

Anyway, I don't have a bias against you and I never did. All the opinions I've expressed toward you are merely observations of your seemingly overall negative character.

The PR wasn't capricious in the least. You've only assumed such on very baseless grounds. Again, all three of us talked it over. It wasn't by any means to keep anybody off the list or whatever you may think it is. It's not that I think you're a bad player, it's that you didn't do well at OSU III and didn't attend SF:E, which I disclaimed at the bottom of the post about. The PR thread should never have been taken nearly as personally as you seem to have taken it. Again, we based it around those two tournaments because we wanted things to be fresh and anew rather than having to dig up all the past results from the last year or so. It had nothing at all to do with bias. If it did, Andy would have been much higher on the list, as I do think he's better than Lucius. It's not as if Jesse and Minh don't know what they're talking about regarding our players. We discussed, it produced that result. We did discuss.

It seems that you and Timmy want to have a more biased list because you feel you should be in the PR when you've hardly placed well recently. I agree you should be up there, Tommy, but it just couldn't be considered because we, again, were using the two tournaments that we for sure had knowledge of and in, as a base.

 

[joshisrad]

Jesse knows what he's talking about and has been part of the community for longer than most. He has also attended the most recent tournaments. If he should fail to attend, then he can be replaced with someone else. I'm all for a panel of Minh, Jesse, and either Bart, Timmy, or Sam(who, despite his [quelling]performance anxiety, knows his stuff and has been more active than any Eugene smasher since he started.). Foos is a no. It's not going to just happen in a way that our lesser experienced players are going to be panelists, especially if they (whined, as it's been put) about not being on it.

 

[Eggz]

Silent Wolf runs tournaments? Pretty sure you don't need an "administrator" for a power ranking. I'm sure Bart is smart enough to update a thread.

 

[t!MmY]

Bart, personally I don't care about the content of the proposed PR List you posted. However, I think you are correct in your observation that a PR List can galvanize players into becoming better at the game. So I ask that you please stop assuming I'm against your list for the superficial notion of player rankings.

What I would like is a PR List that players from outside Oregon can look at and immediately see that time and thought has been put into it. You'll excuse me if I think it's a poor idea to talk to some people after completing a tournament, nominate and appoint yourselves as panelists, and then post a complete Power Ranking thread without further discussion with the rest of the community.

A proper Power Rankings should involve the community; an administrator should be appointed and panelists should be selected. After that, it is important for the "council" to create, discuss and agree upon the presentation of the thread - mission statement, criteria for placement within the rankings, etc. Only after these fundamental requirements are accomplished should a Power Ranking list be discussed, constructed, and agreed upon.

 

[Gea]

Hey guise, put me on that ^.~

 

[t!MmY]

I would like to ask OoS SWF members to refrain from posting for a few, short hours while we finish our discussions. Moderators being the exception, of course.

Thank you.

 

[~Shin~]

Alright, the PR list needs to be re-opened or remade, now. t!mmy you are wanted as a
panelist, get on the phone with Bart, talk, make friends, and lets begin doing this
If you do not want to be a panelist, and do not want a PR list, then let everyone who
wants one, do what they need to do and make one. Bart did do the work to get the list
going, and going about it in a productive way. (Bart? Professional? No weigh!)

The first thing I felt when I saw it was-oh great somebody picked some names out of a
hat and made a ridiculous list. I called Bart on the phone and talked to him for close
to an hour about how everything was done. It was done right.
If it doesn't meet somebodies standards SPEAK UP NOW, and we can fix, we can talk
we can do all that jazz. But unlock the thread, keep it going, keep it live
and i'll tell you why.

The PR list is intended as a positive thing, and is intended to help. This scenerio
is how you should view the PR list.

An out of stater goes on smashboards, enters the Oregon Community area of the regional
zones. They print out a list of the top ten smashers who attend tournament after
tournament(quick and EZ!). These people are aspired players of the game who enjoy competitive fun.
the list is a map for the player, they can use it to find the people they want to fight
and place themselves somewhere in that list when they find out where they stand in Oregon.
Now that they have a place written down on their little piece of paper, they are inspired
to practice, and play the game harder, inspired by the need to get higher on the list
and of course this is possible already by reading everything in the oregon threads, but,
its easier with a simple print-out 'list'.
The list is simple and effective.
The list is intended to a possitive thing, not a "i'm better than you lololol"

As for Oregon players, its the same kind of story. You need to keep going to tournaments
to improve your standing, you need to practice and become better. Keep in mind this
is a competative game, and these are competative things we are talking about, BUT!, this
competative-ness isn't intended as a negative thing. Practicing to get better at something
you love is not wrong. I love playing the pianno, I only play music I make up, and I
continue to improve and practice
I'll do the same for smash.

My name is Shin, i've posted as ~Shin_Ganondorf~, I've been in the tournament setting for
a long time, have taken breaks, but, am an old veteran of smash. I've hosted with my friend
Tudios two of the first ever Oregon Tournaments called the Big-O (one and two), just
to let you know that i've been around. This isn't a request from some brain-dead smasher
but an intelligent individual who wants to see Oregon put on the map. We aren't gaining
by NOT having a PR-list. We gain something by HAVING one.

Unlock the thread, let the community keep talking and keep working on it, but keep it
available. Panelists will change, names will change, but NOT having a PR list is not ok.


omg legitimate post by shin? lololololol

 

[Balloon]

Personally, and I think most of Oregon agrees, the panelists that were involved in the thread I created should remain. Timmy should be added. There is definitely not a need for more than four panelists in Oregon considering our relatively small smash scene. The thread should be unlocked, and we can go from there.

The idea I have for method is this:

Whatever the two or three most recent in state tournaments were should be the only tournaments taken into consideration, and the most recent OoS tourney, making the tournament base to go by either 3 or 4. The panelists analyze and discuss who played whom, how they did against those players, etc. By doing this, they can easily come to a conclusion about who places where.

The reason we shouldn't and can't use past tournaments is because we would then have inactive players on our list fuXing it up. It would be an inaccurate representation.

A panelist does not need to be totally active (ie at all tournaments) to be able to be part of the panel. They can just as easily analyze brackets (assuming they get posted) and discuss with the other panelists. The only downfall to their not being present during the matches is that they can't see exactly how the match is going, ie if either player is playing badly or whatever. However, if matches get recorded, this is easily negated.

Part of the reason I want to be the creator of the thread is that I want to have something to do on this **** board. I want to be the one to edit things in and post updates on the list and what was determined. I'm tired of being inactive in everything except being an Oregon player. As Eggz pointed out, you don't need to be any sort of "administrator" to be able to run a PR thread. You just have to not be stupid. Pretty sure I'm not stupid.

XD

 

[T0MMY]

Also, pretty **** sure I did better than you at OC3, placing (along with others) 17th in teams, defeating MikeMonkey/Noobking and placing first in our pool. I placed second in my singles pool next to MikeMonkey, but didn't get too far in singles. Not sure where you got in singles. But, all of this really is beside the point.

It seems that you and Timmy want to have a more biased list because you feel you should be in the PR when you've hardly placed well recently. I agree you should be up there, Tommy, but it just couldn't be considered because we, again, were using the two tournaments that we for sure had knowledge of and in, as a base.

Actually, no, OC3 we placed the same from what I saw of the results. I believe same for teams as well, but teams are teams and wouldn't be included into single player PR lists anyway. I believe I took most stock off in all our crew battles, but I believe there are no records of those, so it probably wouldn't be included.
All of this is beside my point of a PR list including more than just the two most recent tournaments. One of the functions of a PR list is to give OoS players a better understanding of our community as well as giving us an idea of how well we do against each other as far as a match-ups go. This was one of my issues with your proposed PR list.

First of all, a PR list will be biased no matter what: It is biased on the opinion of three individuals. If you feel I want a biased PR list to make me look better than I am, than that is not the point, because I have declined being a panelist due to recent events and suggested you do so as well. I'm going to be content with however this turns out because I have confidence in our community as well as our mods. If it turns out we go by only tournament results, you know my attitude is improving so you'll most likely see me doing better in future OR tournaments, so I'll be on the PR list either way: I shouldn't have to feel the need to have a biased PR list to do that.
========================================================
Those of us involved with this established, community PR list need to confirm who the PR Administrator is and panelists to be presented to Neal or Silentwolf.
Anyone and everyone, do you think this is out of order:
Presented PR Administrator: t!mmy
Presented PR Panelists: Foos, Jesse, Cmin, Balloon, t0mmy, Tudios, Ronin

I listed the Panelists who have expressed interest in participating as well as those who have been nominated. Some names have been suggested to be removed and will be done so before being presented to a moderator unless they are supported by other members of the community. Removal depends on, but is not limited to: inexperience with the players within the community, inexperience with the game , someone who is not involved in the community, or any other reason at the discretion of the community putting together this panel.
Now is the time to decide additions and removals so we can finally present this to a mod.

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On a side note:
I don't know if I've mentioned it yet, but this next Eugene Weekly will have a tournament and a prize to 1st place. I've been looking for ways to help with attendance, so I hope this will motivate everyone to attend. Remember, Kefka made it to finals against Tudios in a recently past Eugene Weekly, keep practicing and that prize will be yours (donations suggested, no entrance fee applies).

 

[joshisrad]

Pretty sure I'm not stupid.

PRETTY SURE UR DUM AS FUC BARTHEW ZOTTOLA COCA COLA

 

[~Shin~]

You just have to not be stupid. Pretty sure I'm not stupid.

XD

.....debatable.

@_@;' ohhhhhHHHHH!!-SHNAP!!

 

[Balloon]

Tommy, usually when people use the word "biased" they are referring to overly biased. Obviously the technical definition of bias is always going to come into play when talking about anything that involves opinion. The idea of panelists is to avoid any exceeding bias, not to avoid bias completely, which by definition is impossible.

Also, pretty sure you're wrong about the crews notion, but again it doesn't matter. Remember when I took out 9 stock at the crew battle @ SF:E? XD

I still don't see the purpose behind an "administrator".

In my opinion, Foos, Tommy, and Ronin should all be taken off the nominees list. The reason, despite Tommy's opinion, for my not wanting him on there, has absolutely nothing to do with his character, but instead his relation to the would be "administrator" or, as seems more befitting, panelist, Timmy.

Also, I think the poll that Peach Masta made speaks for itself as to why I should still be a panelist and why we should still use that thread. (that is, it's clear the Oregon community still supports my being a panelist).

 

[t!MmY]

I'm getting on AIM now to talk with Bart. I have a couple ideas that are guaranteed to provide a solution to everything. Even world hunger.

Edit: We'll have everything worked out tonight and play smash too. Oregon is too good.

 

[~Shin~]

you don't have to remove anyone from that list. having more than one removes biasism.

 

[T0MMY]

I just now read the most recent posts while trying to get my post posted.

omebodies standards SPEAK UP NOW, and we can fix, we can talk
we can do all that jazz.

An out of stater goes on smashboards, enters the Oregon Community area of the regional
zones. They print out a list of the top ten smashers who attend tournament after
tournament(quick and EZ!). These people are aspired players of the game who enjoy competitive fun.
the list is a map for the player, they can use it to find the people they want to fight
and place themselves somewhere in that list when they find out where they stand in Oregon.

I agree with you, and this is why I did not agree with Balloon's PR list.
You weren't on that list, and neither was I. And, like you, I thought it was just a bunch of names pulled out of a hat, actually I had an impression worse than that. It gave no representation of our community and was presented in a less than fashionable, and rather abrupt way.
Unlocking that thread and working off it isn't a step in the right direction, though I will have no problem with doing so if it addresses the issues I've brought up with it. t!mmy's thread is wonderfully made and within a short period of time he was asked permission if it could be used as an outline for another state's PR List. Unlock that one and use it, t!mmy is more than just smart enough to do this, he's a great boon to the community.

Also, pretty sure you're wrong about the crews notion, but again it doesn't matter. Remember when I took out 9 stock at the crew battle @ SF:E? XD

In my opinion, Foos, Tommy, and Ronin should all be taken off the nominees list. The reason, despite Tommy's opinion, for my not wanting him on there, has absolutely nothing to do with his character, but instead his relation to the would be "administrator" or, as seems more befitting, panelist, Timmy.

I was talking about the Crews tourney at OC3.
I'll stay on as a Panelist if you stay on. I'm not even sure if t!mmy wants to be a panelist. I can't help I'm related to t!mmy, regulations say nothing about relations. I'm completely qualified to be one and It does say we can have more than three panelists, so there's room for both of us, no problem.

Part of the reason I want to be the creator of the thread is that I want to have something to do on this **** board... I'm tired of being inactive in everything except being an Oregon player.

I probably haven't mentioned this before, and I don't know if you figured it out on your own, but what you and I are both saying about the PR List has, by and large, been in exact agreement. If you have time, compare, I have, so there's little argument. The differences comes in how the list is made, as I've mentioned a few times. I think if we can agree on that and the panelists everything is set to make this happen.

Since you brought it up, I almost feel like it'd be better for you to have your thread unlocked so you do have a lot more to contribute. But, personally, and I think everyone would agree, t!mmy should be the only one even considered for the position because he is obviously very accurate, knowledgeable, reliable, and just good at this stuff.
Whoever is in control of editing the board, my issues mostly have to do with the way the list is determined.

 

[FoosJr]

Foos is a no. It's not going to just happen in a way that our lesser experienced players are going to be panelists, especially if they (whined, as it's been put) about not being on it.

What do you mean lesser experienced players I've been in the community only 2 months short of what you have. I'm pretty sure I'm experienced enough to be a panelist. I've been to plenty of tournaments haven't been to one lately but I am going to the fingerbang, and SF:E (winter).

 

[T0MMY]

I agree with you Foos, what's more than just your qualifications, I think you've got a good judge of the players. You know you can attend all the tournaments and still not know what's going on.
I was under the impression you didn't want to be involved too much, so I'd like to see something give you more reason to participate.

 

[joshisrad]

Shin was on the list, tommy. The reason for you not being on there was legit, especially if we're making it with OOS players in mind. Unless you stop sandbagging or whatever.

Foos, time involved in community is not the sole determinant of one's degree of experience and wisdom. And compared to Jesse, Bart, Timmy, and Minh, well, it's obvious that they just have a lot more.

 

[Ronin686]

Yeah I don't want to be a panelist.

 

[jankerrific]

im tired of reading a novel everytime i log on just to find out no headway is made. how bout instead of everyone arguing about the function of a pr thread, or who its going to be on it, we just cut out all the crazy long posts and every keeps it to like a sentence or just their nominees. short and sweet and no anonymous poll so OoSers can vote. everyone gets 3 votes for panelists and i suppose 1 for admin if its totally neccesary, but i think bart should just run the thread.

admin: timmy
panelists: minh, bart, jesse.

 

[T0MMY]

Shin was on the list, tommy. The reason for you not being on there was legit, especially if we're making it with OOS players in mind. Unless you stop sandbagging or whatever.

Josh, go check the records at tia before you claim I do poorly in OoS tourneys. Of course, that's your opinion, but getting out of pools, with 1st seed to add, wouldn't be a bad performance, in my opinion.
I don't know if you read it in the other posts, but I'm not going to sandbag anymore. How about you? You say you sandbag, wanna join me in putting more effort into playing the game?

Foos, time involved in community is not the sole determinant of one's degree of experience and wisdom.

That also happens to be one of my reason to include him.

im tired of reading a novel everytime i log on just to find out no headway is made.
admin: timmy
panelists: minh, bart, jesse.

admin: t!mmy
panelists: Foos, Jesse, Cmin, Balloon, t0mmy, Tudios

I'm pretty much fine with Bart being a panelist now that things seem to be settled between us, but I'm still questioning how the PR List is going to be evaluated, as I didn't like his outline. I say we use t!mmy's outline for PR list as it was very nice. It looks like t!mmy is admin unless he wants Bart as admin, and I'm fine either way.
I'll ask Tudios in person if he's staying on when he gets over here (now that I'm back home), he'll probably decline, though. I'm staying on as panelist (for now), but will probably drop when I see how things work out by the end of the evening.

 

[Binx]

The problem is, is that MCS is the best in oregon and wouldnt even be on Timmy's list.

 

[jankerrific]

the problem is that you gave absolutely no positive input for our pr crisis, this needs to be resolved... name your picks please or mods are going to lock us up

 

[joshisrad]

Josh, go check the records at tia before you claim I do poorly in OoS tourneys.

Did you see me claim such?

I don't know if you read it in the other posts, but I'm not going to sandbag anymore. How about you? You say you sandbag, wanna join me in putting more effort into playing the game?

My sandbagging doesn't get in the way of me having fun nor do I fail to perform to my best when it comes time for a tournament or when I ask for real matches with people - in fact, it makes for really fun matches - so no, not really.

That also happens to be one of my reason to include him.

The fact that the only thing for mention is the time he registered on the boards/community? Because that's what you quoted.

 

[Balloon]

I still don't think the title "administrator" should even exist. It's nothing more than the person who runs the thread, which already has the title "Original poster (OP)". Administrator seems to indicate a higher position than the panelists, which really isn't or wouldn't be the case at all.

Tommy, I still don't get what you're saying regarding "how the thread is run". You can't deny that the system we had in place before all this commotion was a good one. You don't seem to be reading just how we came to the list we did...

 

[Wikipedia]

If it means anything, I think Timmy should be the original poster of the PR thread. He does so much for the community and if he wants to do it then he should be given that option. I don't see why we shouldn't have more than 3 panelists. What is wrong with having 5? If, when doing AIM group chats, you see that one panelists just isn't speaking up as much then that person will naturally feel inadequate and will not want to be on the panel.

Also, I don't see why the PR should only be based on the past 3 or 4 tournaments. I've gone to only three tournaments but that doesn't mean I am not inactive, there is quite a bit of activity in Salem. There are pretty much biweeklies here. And I don't understand your argument against analyzing past tournaments, Bart, you don't honestly think it will be that hard to weed out the inactives, do you? Besides, the people placing well in the past tournaments are all active, save James, but that's an odd circumstance.

My vote for panelists: Bart, Cmin, Jesse, Tudios, Timmy. If Tommy wants to be involved he should just look over Timmy's shoulder when you guys do that chat groups and put in his word through Timmy without Timmy saying, "Tommy said...".

 

[Balloon]

If they haven't played in recent tourneys there's no way to tell if they're even deserving of the spot they're at anymore :|.

The thing that's wrong with having five panelists is that our smash scene is not nearly large enough to warrant having that many.

And yes, Timmy does a lot for the community, but some of us want to do something for the community, and if Timmy makes and edits the PR all the time then it's pretty much excluding me or anybody else from being very involved at all.

 

[t!MmY]

The problem is, is that MCS is the best in oregon and wouldnt even be on Timmy's list.

Apparently you haven't seen my PR thread. Please see it's format here:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=124949

Edit:
BTW, the title of "administrator" comes from "Regional Administrator/Sponsor" as written in the Power Rankings Rules & Regulations. It's also easier to use than "The Guy That Updates and Maintains the Thread for the PR List"

 

[Kenpachi]

im tired of reading a novel everytime i log on just to find out no headway is made.

Yeah, I've been looking into this a bit and it doesn't seem to go places very fast. I have a vague idea of where I'm at in Oregon from SF:E last summer, but an updated list where I move up and down rankings based on each performance... that would be awesome. I have always wanted a motivating factor like that. Especially since I've never been this good at anything, and to see more improvement (or show the need for more improvement) would be awesome.

There are rules saying there needs to be an admin, but with the way things are going, it would be useful to put in a clause saying the admin has the same voting power as the panel. That way we know no one has more power, (instead, the admin just has the added responsibilities, heh).

Hopefully this gets worked out. I tried to figure out where I ranked via SF:E minus out-of-state guys... and I was 13th. I would LOVE to actually be there PR wise. Hopefully this gets done soon.


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ON A LESS RELATED NOTE...

Anyone know how to become recognized as a Tournament Director here? I've been holding tournaments for a while and it would be neat to have that as a title.

Thanks!

~Kenpachi

 

[Balloon]

Timmy, I gotta be honest. I like the format I used for the PR a lot better than yours. Yours is too... formal looking. ;/

 

[joshisrad]

I agree

 

[Aftermath]

Cut this ****ing bull **** about who posts the thread. It doesn't matter AT ALL. Bart is more active on SWF than timmy is. There aren't any credentials required to update a thread. You guys have like 30 threads on the first page, grow the **** up, and just use bart's thread. This is so annoying, wow. Grow up.

EDIT: Eggz on Aftermath's account. I guess we use the same posts per page and layout. >_>;

 

[VenusGospel]

meh, i didn't post this, someone was on my account

 

[t!MmY]

Cut this ****ing bull **** about who posts the thread. It doesn't matter AT ALL. Bart is more active on SWF than timmy is. There aren't any credentials required to update a thread. You guys have like 30 threads on the first page, grow the **** up, and just use bart's thread. This is so annoying, wow. Grow up.

I agree.