Omg Pit Is A *****!

[ADHD]

Pit refuses to let samus control the stage and have good spacing while he just can reflect everything at the right timing. The only thing samus has really for pit is her ground game and that's not so great when most of his attacks are consecutive. It's not that he is really that much trouble when I tech chase but eventually his attacks add up and I am defeated.

 

[Crystanium]

Pit refuses to let samus control the stage and have good spacing while he just can reflect everything at the right timing. The only thing samus has really for pit is her ground game and that's not so great when most of his attacks are consecutive. It's not that he is really that much trouble when I tech chase but eventually his attacks add up and I am defeated.

Pit refuses to let Samus control the stage? This means that you must train harder with Samus, or find an alternative who can defeat Pit. Having alternatives isn't a bad thing. Pit is my alternative of Samus. Don't give up, ChromePirate. I felt like I could not win with Samus after I had lost against a friend of mine so many times. Keep a positive mind, like my fellow Samus players told me. Remember that as long as you're not dead, you still have an opportunity to winning. Just because you have a high percent does not mean that all is lost.

ChromePirate, what you need to do is know who you're going up against. Ask yourself why you have lost against Pit. Try out those tactics that are being used against you in matches with other human players. I think CPUs can be useful as well, if all you're doing is trying to figure out how you can overcome any difficulties. Pit has a Mirror Shield, and you know this, so you must not let him take the advantage of your Charge Shot or Super Missiles. Remember to use Homing Missiles and see how your opponent reacts. Take advantage of this.

I know you can be limited when you are in a battle and you have to make choices to win, but do whatever it takes to win. If Pit doesn't properly dodge or evade your d-air, for example, use that at least twice, and then stop so that you can use it again after he has been busy thinking about what he is going to do to you. What you need to know, ChromePirate, is not what you are going to do next, but what your opponent is going to do next. There are a lot of characters that I hate after losing so many times. It's no fun to lose. Just keep a positive mind and keep on training.

You state that when fighting Pit, his attacks add up and thus you are defeated. Please read this thread. I know you've said that Pit doesn't leave you much space, but try to cut any mind games or "advanced techniques" if you're using any. Sometimes the basics helps you win. Good hunting.

 

[Undrdog]

Pit might be able to out speed Samus and control the stage, however the Zair controls Pit. SH to Zair whenever you have the opportunity. And I don't just mean whenever you feel like tossing it in. I mean make the Zair your main approach, attack, defense, edgeguard, edgehog, and recovery tool. This attack pwns Pit and while it won't kill him (and that's a bold-faced lie, it will Kill him on some stages) Samus has a few other tricks.

Full Jump Homing, Missile Cancel Homing, Full Jump Homing, Missile Cancel Homing, ect... That will flood the skies in Pit's general area with missiles. While this doesn't seem like a big deal it slows him down and leaves him open for, you guessed it, a Zair to the face.

If he's in his shield, F-Smash through it. As Jasona has taught me the painful lesson that the Mirror Shield is useless against opponents who are right up in your face, I can tell you first hand how easily Pit is killed while he thinks he's behind an impenetrable shield. -_-

When Pit is beneath the stage use a Charge Blast or a Zair to try to knock him out of his WoI. Doing so will lead to his immediate death.

The D-Tilt is your best Kill move against Pit as it's fast, sends people very high, and takes away Pit's recovery.

In the end there are many different types of Pits out there. Their are very few who are any good to be honest. To understand Pit a little better come back to the Pit forums and study up. There's a LOT more to him then most people realize.

And besides, the Pit forums are much better then the Samus forums. ^_^ The Pit forums has carnival games!

 

[Crystanium]

The D-Tilt is your best Kill move against Pit as it's fast, sends people very high, and takes away Pit's recovery.

The best thing about Samus' d-tilt is that she can be at least two characters away and use it without fear of being hit. Furthermore, it's quite useful against opponents whose grabs are short. What this means is that characters who lack tether grabs can shield, and try to grab, but to no avail. I use the d-tilt when I see my opponent at a high level of percent. It defeats him/her most of the time.

And besides, the Pit forums are much better then the Samus forums. ^_^ The Pit forums has carnival games!

*is glad that Samus and Pit are his favorites*

 

[Paradigm]

The best thing about Samus' d-tilt is that she can be at least two characters away and use it without fear of being hit. Furthermore, it's quite useful against opponents whose grabs are short. What this means is that characters who lack tether grabs can shield, and try to grab, but to no avail. I use the d-tilt when I see my opponent at a high level of percent. It defeats him/her most of the time.

What? There's a fairly large cool down time on the dtilt, and if you miss pretty much every character can punish you, tether grab or not. It's a great move, especially to finish with, but it's not exactly one which could be used "without fear of being hit."

 

[ignore the fire]

pit is tough.
i find it almost impossible to do even simple jab combos because pit is fast enough to interupt them.
keep in mind the zair should stun long enough (without landing lag, i might add) to fire off a charge shot or follow up with some comboing. in fact, i would advise to ABUSE the zair. it outranges almost everything of pit's

 

[LaserBust]

Personaly, I watch Tudor vs Pits. The dudes a beast. Aside from watching vids, I kno a few things..

-Dtilt, Utilt, Dsmash,Usmash. All kill verticly. Dtilt 1st around 120-130, then all the others around 140-160.
- Zair ownz all, as underdog stated. Zair iz like, yur all purpose move this match.
- Bombs r good 4 escaping t3h Arrow Chase, and multi jump edgeguard.
- Homing Missiles own here. Again as underdog said, I perfer Full Jumped Double Homings. Zairs and Dash attacks follow up pretty well from them.

Err, thats about it, I usualy take em 2 Battlefield, 2 get some early KO's and what not.. And cool off the Arrow Spam. Good lux.

 

[ADHD]

I used the zair alot more and managed to do alot better but I'm still losing by like the pit having 80% on the last stock and it's really aggrivating...

 

[Crystanium]

I used the zair alot more and managed to do alot better but I'm still losing by like the pit having 80% on the last stock and it's really aggrivating...

Fight a level 7 CPU while playing Brawl. Turn your Handicap on in the Rules and set your percent up to 100%, while leaving your opponent at 0%. If you have someone else to play with, try this out with him/her. The point of this is twofold: 1. It tests how well you can shield and dodge. 2. It tests how well you can rack up your opponent's damage while keeping yours at 100%.

 

[VirisKnite]

Yay! One new thing to make training on comps more challenging, useful and possibly entertaining. Dryn your awesome.

 

[Undrdog]

Handicap gives you a very false sense of reality though...

 

[VirisKnite]

Better a false sense than no sense, right?

 

[ph00tbag]

If Pit is shooting arrows at you, zair eats arrows for breakfast, lunch, dinner and afternoon tea. If he's reflecting your own projectiles at you, zair helps with that, too. Samus controls the match much better than Pit does, really.

 

[Undrdog]

If Pit is shooting arrows at you, zair eats arrows for breakfast, lunch, dinner and afternoon tea. If he's reflecting your own projectiles at you, zair helps with that, too. Samus controls the match much better than Pit does, really.

Yes, you a completely right in your assessment. Granted you think that Samus is 10x faster then what she really is.

 

[ph00tbag]

Yes, you a completely right in your assessment. Granted you think that Samus is 10x faster then what she really is.

In what sense do I think she's fast? In point of fact, I switched to Zamus because Samus is ridiculously slow. I have no idea what you're talking about, really.

 

[0RLY]

And besides, the Pit forums are much better then the Samus forums. ^_^ The Pit forums has carnival games!

↑wat?

As the others have stated previously before me, use missiles at a distance... they will force Pit to either evade, dodge, or shield. If you can predict how they will handle it, you can appropriately punish. Smash Bros is all about prediction. Use your availible moves to force your opponent to move the way you want to, to make predicting easier.

 

[Undrdog]

What I meant was Pit is far too fast to simply let Samus control the pace.

As for staying back? Pit can out-spam Samus easily. Arrow Swarming = Pin Cushion Samus. That and Tactical Arrows ruin Samus' missile game from a long distance.

As I was saying though, Samus is one of the faster characters in the game if you play her right. However she can't keep up very easily with the upper tiers. Including Pit. Thing is, she looks like she was built to counter Pit to be completely honest. It's just rare to find a Samus that's faster then a Pit of equal skill.