Omg, Falcon Dive

[Pktck]

Yeah... this is probably already known and dismissed, BUT

Falcon Dive can grab hold of an opponent, no matter what they're doing unless its dodging (or maybe Meta's Tornado, I'm not sure).

Ok Pktck, tell me something I don't know. Well, I've noticed that one of Falcon's main problems is that he gets owned with short hopped aerials that continue a combo or are used to approach. He gets overwhelmed . SO, I've been trying this out with computers. When they come at you, SHFFL an attack, falcon dive them! :D It stops their aerial from landing (even if its in the middle of the animation), does damage and launches them away. Don't spam it, or they'll obviously catch on.

Well? What do ya'll think? I personally think this could be very useful against Luigi with his 3 aerials per SH. FALCON REJECTION! And the best part is that only Falcon and Gannon have this! (I haven't tested Gannon yet though.)

 

[What a Goodfella]

It's something I don't use often and probably should definitely apply to my game. I think it can grab MK out of nado. But with Ganon...even if it connects the knockback is so poor that some characters can just follow up with an uair or something on Ganon.

 

[Pktck]

Oh, right. Heh, forgot about that with Ganon. But yeah, I seriously think this has potential. Once I've got some videos of my trying it out, I'll post em to show how it went.

 

[Wizzrobe]

This could be pretty useful, and if it works against Metaknight's tornado, that would be great.

 

[Pktck]

yeah! I'll have to test it tomorrow then.

 

[lordhelmet]

It beats Nado.

It's also a good counter-approach to things like Marth's fair.

If you have trouble using it OoS, set your Y to special and slide your fingers from X to Y while holding up.

 

[KMFBrawler]

It beats Nado.

It's also a good counter-approach to things like Marth's fair.

If you have trouble using it OoS, set your Y to special and slide your fingers from X to Y while holding up.

Finally, I was looking for something to counter Marth's fair

 

[Gardex]

Command grabs are pretty underrated.

 

[teluoborg]

Yeah being able to grab someone in the air gives you so many options, too bad the Dive is so punishable on whiff (and gives you that damn RCO lag).

 

[Pktck]

A very good point. You have to be damn certain your opponent is going to SH.

 

[Iwan]

I made a pretty useful thread (at the time? still useful? lolll....) all about falcon dive closer to when the game had just came out. Here's the thread:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=166701

Basically I'm ancient.

 

[Lionman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYVsdKL0nzo

1:20
1:51

 

[NeoBatou]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYVsdKL0nzo

1:20
1:51

Gotta love doing UpB out of shield too :D

 

[Pktck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYVsdKL0nzo

1:20
1:51

That is good ****. Nice Lionman, and especially against Ally.

A different use I was thinking of would be of more use against Luigi or Marth. Floatly characters with killer fast attacks that will beat pretty much anything Falcon can throw out in the air. So, say you dash at Luigi, he shorthops. The second you see him start to ascend, you can throw out Falcon Dive, predicting that he's trying to approach with a Bair or some other offensive maneuver. Against Falcon, he knows he's going to out prioritize you against just about everything, and so will almost certainly attack after a shorthop rather than air dodge.

 

[King Omega]

And how legit is is dash-cancelling an ubB? Approach-wise? It would be great if everyone could be expected to go Meta Knight on you and attempt a powershield to dsmash or grab, but I feel like some people/characters would spotdodge. Or something.

 

[FightAdamantEevee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYVsdKL0nzo

1:20
1:51

At 1:24 how'd you run in place? That looked really cool

 

[Pktck]

Does anyone know when Falcon Dive "hits"? At what frames can it grab the opponent?

 

[Psychoace]

14 through something I think

 

[King Omega]

And how legit is is dash-cancelling an ubB? Approach-wise? It would be great if everyone could be expected to go Meta Knight on you and attempt a powershield to dsmash or grab, but I feel like some people/characters would spotdodge. Or something.

Come on, somebody who knows answer me.

 

[Psychoace]

You're better off with jab > up b in my opinion.

 

[Pktck]

You mean Dash > Falcon dive? I'd use it mid game, dash away from opponent, dash at them as they approach. They almost always will SH attack. Good 4 teh mind gamez.

 

[King Omega]

Mmhm.

Grab release --> Dive on Jiggs isn't guarenteed, right? It seems like the Jiggs gets some freedom to move, if not attack.

 

[Psychoace]

It works up until a certain percent, but I don't remember. I've seen ally do it a lot.

 

[AllyKnight]

doesnt work, just a mindgame really.

 

[-Mars-]

RCO lag is too gay for this to be useful outside of an occasional mindgame.

 

[teluoborg]

Platform pressure from below : Uair them, they shield, you up B.

 

[PZ]

Bettter doing it on a stage with lots of platforms like bf.