OMFG!! Dark.Pch Using fox!?!?!? o.o

[Dark.Pch]

Dont tell anyone about this >____>

I'll give you a smash bull if you keep quite. it gives you mindgames :o

<____<

If word gets out to the Peaches i'm a dead man o.o!!!!

I think I could have done better. But this is when I got back into fox. about a week ago. Before I was useing fox and I did better than this. Its against my friends Falcon. I'll be sure to get that up soon enough. Give me about a week to get those vids up. For now I only have 2 vids of my fox. I'm just getting back into fox so bare with me with my worthless fox >____< I'm a Peach player, we dont do fox......I think......>______> advice and such is welcome. I'm way better with him now. i'll try to get some fresh vids of that when possible. If I suck say it. Not like Im gonna come to your door and kick your azzes......nope.....>_____>

Battle 1

Battle 2

 

[Kumagari]

To start off, it looks like you weren't really missing any l-cancels -> shine which was good. Very good. But there were definitely some key concepts for Fox dittos that I didn't see that much of. You did this a couple times in the second fight but I don't think I saw it even once in the first one: Up throw is amazing. Abuse it. I'm a real fan of uthrow -> usmash -> jab -> uair juggles. It's really painful. Also, try to use more jabs, it's surprising just how good they are. Next, I'd say try and get your wavedashes tighter. You can get a lot more horizontal distance out of them then you currently are. And finally, I think you should blaster spam more. Try to incorporate full jump triple lasers, short hop lasers, and short hop double laser. Although the last one I don't think is as crucial. If you can master shl then you can basically run around the stage being a rapid moving turret. Rough beats.

Welcome to the dark side. I mean Fox side... ^_^

 

[GOTM]

you need to keep moving. dont just stand still, use his speed, DD, and SHL to play with people

work on edguarding. ledgehop bair, or dropping to a shine is very effective, especially on other spacies

uthrow-uair, or uthrow-utilt-CG.....very good on spaceys as well, and uthrow-uair works on pretty much any character

decent tech skill though, just need to work on thoery

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

What's wrong with a Peach player using Fox? Most of us in here use more than 1 character anyway.

 

[Excel_Zero]

Well you rated my Peach, and now it's my turn!

Pretty nice stuff. You have a decent Fox, but still you have to do some improvement to be a really good Fox.

Let's start off with the technical issue. You need to fastfall more often. Much times you had the chance of Fastfalling but didn't do so, and because of that you missed some opportunities. Another thing is that you need to JC ALL of your grabs, which you lacked in the previous matches.

Now with your play style. You are using Upsmash way to much. WAY to much. You shouldn't do it that much, or you will get predictable and will be punished by it. You should rely more on spacing via aerials and grabs combos.

In Fox dittos, you should rely mainly on grabs. If you grab at a low percentage, chaingrab or juggle until around 70%, then it's all about landing a strong attack and getting the foe out of the stage. If you manage to catch him around 100%, do an upthrow and finish the game with a charged upsmash. Caution with this, you don't want to throw an opponent at 130% and expect to hit with the upsmash, because they can and WILL escape from it. At that situation, use uair or bair.

Another issue is the shinespike. When you see a Fox recovering don't go at him mindlessly. Plan things well and do the shinespike when you are 100% sure that it will hit. If you don't you can get hit by the firefox, and end up being shinespiked yourself. Remember to use wisely the invincibility frames the edge grants you and if you see a bair is a better option, then use it.

Well that aside you have what it takes to become a good Fox. Just keep practicing and remember to feel comfortable while using him, or you won't get anywhere far. Good luck.

 

[Flarefox]

ZeroFX made some very good comments.

Some simple things that you can do to improve your fox game overall is:
-Fast fall more
-Dash more (fox has an extremely fast dash compared to peach. This is such a huge advantage, and you should exploit it).
-Get used to jc grab -> uthrow. This is always very useful, for uair juggles and chainthrows on fast fallers.

Also, a lot of foxes fight defensively with bair. If you fulljump this and get tricky with double jumps and careful spacing, it's really effective when you've pushed the opponent near the edge. If you want to get an idea of what I'm talking about with fulljumps and fox, watch Masashi's fox. Shuffles are extremely useful, but fulljumps with fastfalling and double jumping can be very good approaches to open up combo opportunities.

 

[Dark.Pch]

What's wrong with a Peach player using Fox? Most of us in here use more than 1 character anyway.

Well I'm not most of us now am I

And nothing is wrong with Peach useing fox. Just for me as a hardcore Peach users ( I use hardcore as in I once in a blue when bored use others) Its Hard to use other characters well. they feel to wierd. and Fox is a hard one to control, yet alone use him good. Got got the hang of him now, its just a pain

Pretty nice stuff. You have a decent Fox, but still you have to do some improvement to be a really good Fox.

Let's start off with the technical issue. You need to fastfall more often. Much times you had the chance of Fastfalling but didn't do so, and because of that you missed some opportunities. Another thing is that you need to JC ALL of your grabs, which you lacked in the previous matches.

Now with your play style. You are using Upsmash way to much. WAY to much. You shouldn't do it that much, or you will get predictable and will be punished by it. You should rely more on spacing via aerials and grabs combos.

In Fox dittos, you should rely mainly on grabs. If you grab at a low percentage, chaingrab or juggle until around 70%, then it's all about landing a strong attack and getting the foe out of the stage. If you manage to catch him around 100%, do an upthrow and finish the game with a charged upsmash. Caution with this, you don't want to throw an opponent at 130% and expect to hit with the upsmash, because they can and WILL escape from it. At that situation, use uair or bair.

Another issue is the shinespike. When you see a Fox recovering don't go at him mindlessly. Plan things well and do the shinespike when you are 100% sure that it will hit. If you don't you can get hit by the firefox, and end up being shinespiked yourself. Remember to use wisely the invincibility frames the edge grants you and if you see a bair is a better option, then use it.

Well that aside you have what it takes to become a good Fox. Just keep practicing and remember to feel comfortable while using him, or you won't get anywhere far. Good luck.

I saw you returned the favor eh? Ha ha ha. alrighty, thanks for the advice. Though I hate fight fast fallers with Fox. Its such a pain. I'll work on it.

and thanks for the others that gave advice. I try to get grabs in but I miss alot at times. god foxes grab is a pain in the azz. -______- ' and so is edgeuarding with him as well. Guess from this you can tell I'm a Peach user, ha ha ha ha ha!!

 

[Oskurito]

Sorry but that was awful.

I believe fox can get out of his own CG if he doesn't DI at 20%~ with a shine

Learn thunder's, learn to techchase, dont use d-throw, learn how to combo and camp and or dd camp. And if you're going to learn fox just for fox dittos I suggest that you learn marth instead, is better and easier.

 

[abit_rusty]

So you just gave up on CF .. T.T

 

[Dark.Pch]

Sorry but that was awful.

I believe fox can get out of his own CG if he doesn't DI at 20%~ with a shine

Learn thunder's, learn to techchase, dont use d-throw, learn how to combo and camp and or dd camp. And if you're going to learn fox just for fox dittos I suggest that you learn marth instead, is better and easier.

thanks for your honesty, but incase you have not noticed, I'm a Peach player, so take a hint. And I would not use Fox in tournaments. I use Peach all the way. I'm learning fox for the fun of it. And I fight more than fox with mine, I fought some Peaches, falcon sheik and Link last I remember. And I also stated that this was when I just got into him. My Fox is a lil better than this now. I just thought I show how I was a few weeks ago for some advice. for the same habits I do like in this fights. But not so much.


And I tried Marth. for some reason I find Fox easier to use than Marth. Dont know why. thats just me.

So you just gave up on CF .. T.T

Huh?, where you get that idea. I still use him, maybe this weekend I'll get some vids of my falcon. He is much better that before. I learned how to use falcon better and with combos. I Dair more and follow well after my enemy blocks my air moves the Problem I have with him is the DI and teching. other than that, I believe he has improve.

 

[Oskurito]

thanks for your honesty, but incase you have not noticed, I'm a Peach player, so take a hint. And I would not use Fox in tournaments. I use Peach all the way. I'm learning fox for the fun of it. And I fight more than fox with mine, I fought some Peaches, falcon sheik and Link last I remember. And I also stated that this was when I just got into him. My Fox is a lil better than this now. I just thought I show how I was a few weeks ago for some advice. for the same habits I do like in this fights. But not so much.


And I tried Marth. for some reason I find Fox easier to use than Marth. Dont know why. thats just me.

Well, I remember that you made a thread about playing a good fox in tournies because you'll get beated by those(specially the campy ones)

Wtf? marth is way easier than fox in every way, marth is considered to be one of the easiest characters to master(noob friendly). Everyone can learn marth way faster than fox and is more effective against fox imo(falco too but he's kinda hard to master).

And don't act like a scrub saying "I play fox just for fun" because you're a competitive player, am I right? in that case you should always be looking for improvement. And if you don't care about fox, and this is all but a mere joke, then I'm sure you wont care too much about what I'm saying... and neither do I care about your fox...

 

[Dark.Pch]

Well, I remember that you made a thread about playing a good fox in tournies because you'll get beated by those(specially the campy ones)

Wtf? marth is way easier than fox in every way, marth is considered to be one of the easiest characters to master(noob friendly). Everyone can learn marth way faster than fox and is more effective against fox imo(falco too but he's kinda hard to master).

And don't act like a scrub saying "I play fox just for fun" because you're a competitive player, am I right? in that case you should always be looking for improvement. And if you don't care about fox, and this is all but a mere joke, then I'm sure you wont care too much about what I'm saying... and neither do I care about your fox...

Some people love to pick fights on this site alot dont they.

First paragraph- I'll leave it be cause its true. Dont know why you said it but oh well.

Second paragraph- Like I said that is just me. I have been playing with Marth, falcon and Fox equally. practice with them alone and with friends when I get the chance. Out of those three I win the most with Fox, second is falcon, but when I have my days, I get more wins with falcon than fox. Marth I hardly get any. Once again, this is just me. so no point getting on the subject about that.

Third paragraph- I see you missed at what I was getting at. when I said that I ment I would not use him in tournaments. I would not feel safe using him when something is on the line. That does not excuse me from wanting to get better with him. Yea I would like to get better with Fox if possible, but he be my fun character. one I would play in friendlies and such. I always use Peach no matter what kind of fight it is, so I thought its time while having fun, to switch it up once in a while unless the fight is serious.



anything else you wanna post against all of this? I'm not in a good spirit. ya know how life is. so I dont mind coming back and fourth here countering your post. gives me something to do while I ease my mind

 

[Oskurito]

Nope, nothing else. Have fun playing as fox

 

[mog87]

Dude chill out, hes just trying to give you some constructive criticism not pick a fight . Hes trying to help you, don't be stubborn. Even if you don't play fox you should still listen because you may learn something that could improve your game in another area.

Accept good criticism humbly and move forward not everyone is out to get you. Pride has held many a player back.

 

[Teczer0]

Sorry but that was awful.

I believe fox can get out of his own CG if he doesn't DI at 20%~ with a shine

Learn thunder's, learn to techchase, dont use d-throw, learn how to combo and camp and or dd camp. And if you're going to learn fox just for fox dittos I suggest that you learn marth instead, is better and easier.

yea i agree with this

dpch - fox is hard to play well and your not using nearly as enough speed you sit there too much

also i remember seeing it i just dont remember where

being a peach player doesnt mean a thing

me = fox player and sheik...

i started playing fox and became a decent sheik (i hope...) playing a character has absolutely nothing to do with learning a new character

 

[Eazy23]

yea i agree with this

dpch - fox is hard to play well and your not using nearly as enough speed you sit there too much

also i remember seeing it i just dont remember where

being a peach player doesnt mean a thing

me = fox player and sheik...

i started playing fox and became a decent sheik (i hope...) playing a character has absolutely nothing to do with learning a new character

I agree with this...Keep practicin fox though.Expect harsh words when you put yourself in the public eye you know? The nice words help, but the brutally honest truth is what should be respected the most.

 

[ArcNatural]

Wtf? marth is way easier than fox in every way, marth is considered to be one of the easiest characters to master(noob friendly). Everyone can learn marth way faster than fox and is more effective against fox imo(falco too but he's kinda hard to master).

Marth is one of the easier characters to play in the beginning (i.e. noob friendly level). But he is definitely not easier to play once you reach the top tournament level. Just because Fox requires more tech skill doesn't make him harder to play than Marth. In terms of skillfully using the metagame potential of each character I would say it is EVEN.

As for the chaingrab in Fox dittoes. When you think they are DIing up to shine out of the CG, that's what uptilt is for.

 

[SCOTU]

Sorry but that was awful.

I believe fox can get out of his own CG if he doesn't DI at 20%~ with a shine
.

fox is stuck in cg against fox until 50%, sorry, 20% you can't get out.

Wtf? marth is way easier than fox in every way, marth is considered to be one of the easiest characters to master(noob friendly). Everyone can learn marth way faster than fox and is more effective against fox imo(falco too but he's kinda hard to master).

marth is easier to learn the basics w/ than fox, but for fox, all you have to learn is some tech skill. tech skill is the easiest thing to learn in this game. once a fox has tech skill, he's way easier to get good w/ than marth.

 

[UMBC Super Smasher]

marth is easier to learn the basics w/ than fox, but for fox, all you have to learn is some tech skill. tech skill is the easiest thing to learn in this game. once a fox has tech skill, he's way easier to get good w/ than marth.

If I had known I could beat half my opponents just by overwhelming them with short hopped nairs to shine, I would have started off maining fox rather than marth.

Here's my advice Dark Peach, even though I'm not really known on the fox boards:

Try to speed up your fox by more dash dancing and fox trotting. Use all the movement options available to you.

Work on pressuring your opponent. Get in his area and make him mess up by rolling or spot dodging or jumping predictably.

Fox has lasers that work well if you're a defensive player.

Keep practicing!

 

[Oskurito]

fox is stuck in cg against fox until 50%, sorry, 20% you can't get out.



marth is easier to learn the basics w/ than fox, but for fox, all you have to learn is some tech skill. tech skill is the easiest thing to learn in this game. once a fox has tech skill, he's way easier to get good w/ than marth.

=o I didn't know, I just compared the cg as it was marth's xD but I can get out of marth cg earlier(11% or so, is on one of my vids) if i don't DI hmmmmm I've gotta try it vs. fox D:

:S marth's techs are easier than fox's (at least imo)

In terms of skillfully using the metagame potential of each character I would say it is EVEN.

I say marth has a slightly advantage

 

[Teczer0]

Marth is kinda difficult to play well... however charging head first and hoping you can pressure your opponent with n-air shine is a terrible strategy.

It works in certain situations but you shouldn't start an approach like that. >_>