Olimar's Matchups (The numbers)

[itsthebigfoot]

skank, i'll play you next saturday at the palmdale tournament

P.S. stop being so old

 

[asob4]

hopefully i'll be on my A game :/
otherwise i'm gonna be playing horrible

we'll need lots of friendlies cause for some reason i adjust slowly

stop being so young

 

[itsthebigfoot]

no ride to palmdale i'll play you eventually

 

[Zori]

Olimar has a slight edge on Dk, but the ape still hurts a ton. Once you hit 60% you need to play 70% defensively. His fsmash, punch and dsmash hurt. Watch out for fsmash the most.

Dk for top tier. Hes good.

Olimarman knows his stuff

 

[Dotcom]

... ALL of the Dk's (good ones aka ranked players from PA) I play say Olimar is a hard counter for him and I agree IF you don't rush stuff.

We know Dk's get' combo'd like crazy at the start of the match, yes this is quite true. One of the reasons DK players hate fighting Olimar but once YOUR damage get's to about 55 -60% Then is the time you will NEED to readjust your game. Up to this point it' most likely you were capitalizing on the C-CC-COMBO factor. You will need to fight the urge to continue doing this because all it takes to kill you is a flick of a yellow stick in almost any direction. Know what color is where, so you don't try to grab with a purple or smash with a white. Simple mistakes like that can cost you a stock.

Dk's good. olimar's better.

 

[Snail]

Hard counter? I'd say 60/40 for Olimar :/ Which would probably be a soft counter, right? Whatever (;

 

[Dotcom]

They say Hard and I like it hard.
umm, wait.
No homo.

 

[DanGR]

I just finished recording some matches. I'll try to upload them later tonight after the LSU v Auburn game. (I'm a big SEC fan)

I beginning to think that Sheik has the advantage on Olimar. Maybe 65-35. She's got everything you don't want in an opponent; quickness, no lag, speed, longlasting hitboxes that outprioritize and kill your pikmin, an unstoppable approach, awesome gimping. I could go on, but meh...

 

[Excellence]

All longlasting hitboxes out prioritize Olimar's Pikmin, but the unique thing is unless the attack actually touches Olimar (or both Olimar and the Pikmin), then you'll always get a clank.

 

[Amide]

Change Jigglypuff to severe advantage. It's impossible for Puff.

 

[DanGR]

I'd also like to put Bowser at at least 70-30. It's so...mean.

Edit: I'm taking the whole listing and showing what changes I'd make:

Big Advantage 70/30-90/10
Captain Falcon: 70-30
Ganon: 70-30 (to 80-20)
Link: 70-30
Ike: 70-30 (to 75-25)

Advantage 60/30-65/35
Bowser: 65-35 (to 70-30)
King DeDeDe: 65-35
Toon Link: 65-35
Samus: 63-35 (to 75-25)
Lucas: 60-40
Lucario: 60-40
Mario: 60-40
Pokemon Trainer: 60-40
-Charizard: 60-40
-Ivysaur: 60-40
-Squirtle: 40-60
Snake: 60-40
Sheik: 60-40 (to 35-65)
Zelda: 60-40 (to 70-30)

Neutral 45/55-55/45
Zamus: 55-45
Donkey Kong: 55-45 (to 60-40?)
Diddy Kong: 55-45
Fox: 55-45
Ice Climbers: 55-45
Jigglypuff: 55-45 (to 70-30)
Pikachu: 55-45 (to 60-40)
Falco: 50-50
Pit: 50-50
Sonic: 50-50
Wario: 50-50
Wolf: 45-55
Mr. Game and Watch: 45-55

Disadvantage 40/60-35/65
Kirby: 40-60
Marth: 40-60 (to 45-55)
Ness: 40-60
Yoshi: 40-60
Meta Knight: 40-60 [some say 50/50]
R.O.B.: 40-60
Luigi: 35-65

Big Disadvantage 30/70-10/90
Peach: 30-70

thoughts?

 

[Excellence]

My thoughts, "Peach pisses me the **** off. Someone should fill her dress with cinderblocks."

 

[Dyyne]

careful with making samus an easier matchup...last thing I'd want to see is samus as one of our easiest matchups, then xyro eventually come to olimar boards, potentially schooling us, and concluding that olimar is trash (vs samus)

 

[DanGR]

careful with making samus an easier matchup...last thing I'd want to see is samus as one of our easiest matchups, then xyro eventually come to olimar boards, potentially schooling us, and concluding that olimar is trash (vs samus)

I bet I'd be able to beat him irl. Samus is really easy, trust me. He wouldn't come in here because he knows he'd lose.

 

[Excellence]

I bet I'd be able to beat him irl. Samus is really easy, trust me. He wouldn't come in here because he knows he'd lose.

I've already beaten him before, case closed.

Olimar vs Samus is 70-30, Olimar's favor.

 

[Barge]

I epicly hate DK. I hate fighting him more then peach and MK combined

 

[Fino]

I bet I'd be able to beat him irl. Samus is really easy, trust me. He wouldn't come in here because he knows he'd lose.

I encourage you to play esams samus. I thought the same thing and then I just got royally screwed. I feel like a n00b, but maybe I'm missing something.... someone want to give me the 401 on how to play a samus?

basically I got ledge camped, and every time I went in the air I got zaired, and zair always worked as an approach. I got out prioritized / out ranged a lot. someone help me :'( All this work on my olimar, and I get owned by an easy matchup.


~Fino

 

[asob4]

I encourage you to play esams samus. I thought the same thing and then I just got royally screwed. I feel like a n00b, but maybe I'm missing something.... someone want to give me the 401 on how to play a samus?

basically I got ledge camped, and every time I went in the air I got zaired, and zair always worked as an approach. I got out prioritized / out ranged a lot. someone help me :'( All this work on my olimar, and I get owned by an easy matchup.


~Fino

you didn't get screwed cause the match up
you got screwed due to lack of how to face that match up

it's usually in our favors so we're not used to it

 

[Fino]

you didn't get screwed cause the match up
you got screwed due to lack of how to face that match up

it's usually in our favors so we're not used to it

what do you mean? like b/c I never play samus' I get owned by them from lack of experience? sounds like a few other match ups I know of. lol.


~Fino

 

[asob4]

yeah that's what i'm saying
i'm sure after a few games of learning how samus' play you'll be rapin that shiiiit up :D

with such few oli's that's a great advantage we have on other players

 

[DanGR]

I still remember when Skank said he lost to a Captain Falcon. lolz :D

 

[asob4]

0_o
that falcon was amazing man
A-MAZ-ING
like no joke

ask awex about him

lack of knowledge of the match up made me lose

 

[Shadowfang89]

At a tourney I went to, a falco main faced off against a Pikman main and was two-stocked. Handily. He then counterpicked to wolf, and when asked if he played wolf, his response was "No, not at all." The wolf 2-stocked the Pikman, easily. I'm not sure the matchup is as easy as 45-55.

 

[XienZo]

It help significantly to use D-tilt and U-tilt against Wolf. If you don't, then its going to be like a 65-35.

 

[kerrap]

My thoughts, "Peach pisses me the **** off. Someone should fill her dress with cinderblocks."

i really agree, especially when she side B spams, that pisses me off.

im willing to help with this, just tell me which charactor you need brawl results from and ill get on it (would be more then 1 match on final destination with 3 lives and the opponant would be on lvl 9). actually im going to test peach when i get home, will have those facts later.

 

[IcyLight]

oooo you bumped an old thread. forum police will be arriving shortly....this list should be updated imo, things have changed in the past 8 months. not sure when the last update has been done, but either way.

edit: original post updated as of march 6th so sorta recent i guess.

 

[kerrap]

oh this is old?...... ****

 

[DanGR]

When you posted, it displayed a message at the very bottom of the screen telling you that it was a very old thread that hadn't had a posted in a while. Just be sure to look for it next time.

Anyways, I just updated the OP with the numbers from the matchup thread. It's still outdated. >_> We should probably get on that.

For starters, here's the list:

Big Advantages 70-30 through 90-10
Jigglypuff: 75-25
Zelda: 75-25
Captain Falcon: 70-30
Ganon: 70-30
Link: 70-30
Ike: 70-30
Samus: 70-30

Advantages 60-30 through 65-35
Bowser: 65-35
Toon Link: 65-35
King DeDeDe: 61-39
Sonic: 60-40 to 65-35
Lucas: 60-40
Lucario: 60-40
Mario: 60-40
Pokemon Trainer: 60-40
-Charizard: 60-40
-Ivysaur: 60-40
-Squirtle: 40-60
Pit: 60-40
Snake: 60-40
Fox: 60-40
Donkey Kong: 60-40

Neutrals 50 (+5 and -5)
Zero Suit Samus: 55-45
Diddy Kong: 50-50
Ice Climbers: 55-45
Pikachu: 55-45
Falco: 50-50
Wario: 50-50
Wolf: 45-55
Mr. Game and Watch: 45-55
Yoshi: 45-55

Disadvantages 40-60 through 35-65
Sheik: 40-60
Kirby: 40-60
Marth: 40-60
Ness: 40-60
R.O.B.: 40-60
Luigi: 35-65
Peach: 35-65
Meta Knight: 35-65

Big Disadvantages 30-70 through 10-90
none

What first comes to mind is that Kirby should no longer be in his favor. I was thinking more along the lines of 60-40 our favor or maybe even. Peach should be moved down to 40-60 imo. Also, against Mr. Game and Watch, I feel we have a solid 60-40. It may be too soon to tell though.

 

[Plasma Pikmin]

I recently thought that the TL matchup should be 60-40, Fino showed me something that was really gay that can happen to us at Low Percent when he Dsmashes near the ledge....-_-

 

[IcyLight]

not supposed to be near the edge against a TL. and as far as game and watch, i completely agree with 60-40 oli favor, i have OBM in my region and being one of the best game and watches he doesn't give me too much trouble. peaches are starting to get better so i would agree with 40-60
and, i **** kirby, so im not sure why it's even in his favor. i haven't vsed like chudat and such, but every other kirby is easily baitable, just don't get grabbed

 

[Pyronic_Star]

peach: 35-65 still, a lot of oli's still have issues and logically she wins

marth: 35-65 priority, speed, amazing edge game... makes for a very sad olimar

mk : 40-60 no one can convince m that this match is even, sorry guys... esp when one mess up leads to a grab which puts you off stage and your now gimped

Kirby : 50-50

luigi : 35-65 this match up makes me cry even though boss's luigi is the only one that beats me... but he goes through every one of our pikmin atk's excluding uair, and he can't be gimped, kills olimar 35%

g&w : 45-55 i actually feel that g&w has a slight advantage via priority, and mobility in the air

my personal opinions, i can elaborate more if needed

 

[DanGR]

I don't understand how Kirby can even approach Oli. I used to have trouble, but it was mainly because I didn't camp and pivotgrab enough in the past. Now I feel like Kirby doesn't even have any approaches that work. Shield grab everything, pivotgrab even more, and camp relentlessly, and that's it. You can just run to the other side of the stage if he goes anywhere in the air, rolls at all (which Kirbys sometimes still like to do because they don't have many approaches anyways), lands on your backside, etc.

I agree with Marth, Luigi... and G&W now that I think about it. Oli does well v G&W if you've got the right stage, and you luckily get the lead in the beginning. G&W still does better as far as counterpick stages go.

I still have too much trouble with MK to say much about him. Peach seems easier than 65-35 nowadays, but then again, 5 more points isn't that much.

edit: and lol. just don't stand near the ledge and he won't hit you with it Plasma. haha

 

[Plasma Pikmin]

Kirby has always seemed even to me, he can go through our Usmash with some of his aerials, but that's easily punishable with Pivot, and we can camp very well.

One thing that bothers me about him, and I've never played a Kirby that has done this, but can't Kirby just suck up Olimar and use that against us, which works pretty well against us actually, we can't really camp him anymore since his Pikmin beats ours.

 

[¤Vivi Orunitia¤]

Even with our obvious advantages, I don't see how its 50:50 because like what DanGR stated he can't really approach us well. He doesn't have CRAZY priority like Marth/MK and he can't camp with projectiles well like Oli/ROB, he's only good when we're trying to recover but like Jigglypuff that isn't much of a problem. IMO, it should be 55:45 or 60:40 =O

 

[Rawnie]

I don't see how the Sheik MU is 40:60.

 

[asob4]

kirby should be 60:40 our favor

 

[Tin Man]

Ok we desperately need some new numbers on this thread.

 

[Noa.]

Big Advantages 70-30 through 90-10
Jigglypuff: 75-25
Zelda: 75-25
Captain Falcon: 70-30
Ganon: 70-30
Link: 70-30
Ike: 70-30
Samus: 70-30

Advantages 60-30 through 65-35
Bowser: 65-35
Toon Link: 65-35 55:45-See the toon link boards recent discussion of it.
King DeDeDe: 61-39
Sonic: 60-40 to 65-35
Lucas: 60-40
Lucario: 60-40
Mario: 60-40
Pokemon Trainer: 60-40
-Charizard: 60-40
-Ivysaur: 60-40 65:35
-Squirtle: 40-60 50:50
Pit: 60-40
Snake: 60-40
Fox: 60-40
Donkey Kong: 60-40 55:45
Kirby: 60-40

Neutrals 50, +5/-5
Zero Suit Samus: 55-45
Diddy Kong: 50-50
Ice Climbers: 55-45
Pikachu: 55-45 60:40-Probably more in our advantage
Falco: 50-50
Mr. Game and Watch: 45-55 to 55-45
Wario: 50-50
Wolf: 45-55
Yoshi: 45-55
Sheik: 45-55 to 40-60 Make this a solid 40-60

Disadvantages 40-60 through 35-65
Ness: 40-60 I don't even understand this one. Maybe 50:50, but 40:60?
R.O.B.: 40-60 We're rediscussing this now
Peach: 40-60 to 35-65 Solid 35-65
Meta Knight: 40-60 to 35-65 This should be listed 35-65 to 30:70
Marth: 40-60 to 35-65 40-60
Luigi: 35-65

Big Disadvantages 30-70 through 10-90
none

Discuss!

If it's okay to post in this old thread, I'll say which matchup ratios I disagree with. Opinions in bold orange. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Weruop]

i reaaaaally think peach vs olimar is 40 60

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

Would someone in here explain the Mario matchup, and specifically why it's 60-40 in Olimar's advantage?