Okay, to end this pointless banter...

[Niala]

It's been posted on the Reddit Smash 4 section.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I don't really trust that as a source. Could you post a link to the conversation?

 

[Engage]

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I don't really trust that as a source. Could you post a link to the conversation?

As of now, there's a debate going on, via /r/Smash 4 section about whether or not Vectoring is gone, they say some characters can still Vector (Mario, Luigi) while people like Bowser and DK aren't vectoring anymore. So, it may be a character specific removal.

 

[Niala]

As of now, there's a debate going on, via /r/Smash 4 section about whether or not Vectoring is gone, they say some characters can still Vector (Mario, Luigi) while people like Bowser and DK aren't vectoring anymore. So, it may be a character specific removal.

I see. That would be... very weird. Thanks for sharing, then.

 

[AngeloHollow]

As of now, there's a debate going on, via /r/Smash 4 section about whether or not Vectoring is gone, they say some characters can still Vector (Mario, Luigi) while people like Bowser and DK aren't vectoring anymore. So, it may be a character specific removal.

Why would they remove vectoring for some characters though, but not for others? That wouldn't make any sense.

 

[Engage]

I see. That would be... very weird. Thanks for sharing, then.

No problem, until I get the game this Friday to test this myself, it's all by what I see others who have the game to test it.

Why would they remove vectoring for some characters though, but not for others? That wouldn't make any sense.

With what happened to Wario, anything is possible so far. But, just wait for the Wii U release.

 

[K-45]

What u said is ture and ik there will be more patches later on. The game is still unbalanced I to some degree and it baffles me that they didn't nerf characters like Diddy Kong and they buff ZZS. Then they nerf some characters who didn't need a nerf (looks at Pac Man.) I'm surprised that they manage to fix bugs like greninja Dair cancel.

Not saying all nerfs and bugs are bad but they make the game feel stale but I hope they buff other characters later on like ,,

Also I hope they nerf aura + rage buff.

 

[AngeloHollow]

No problem, until I get the game this Friday to test this myself, it's all by what I see others who have the game to test it.



With what happened to Wario, anything is possible so far. But, just wait for the Wii U release.

You have this mixed up, my friend. What they did was remove Wario's vectoring GLITCH that basically allowed him to do whatever he wanted to. He was probably patched to have regular vectoring just like everybody else.

 

[FloatingMew]

I just wish people didnt bite Sakurais head off eveytime he does something. the Smash community at its best.

Agreed. It isn't just the smash community but any community. Nobody can just, for once, be happy and satisfied.

 

[TeaTwoTime]

and they buff ZZS.

Keep in mind when seeing the ZSS buffs that they didn't really do anything to her beyond making her kit work as it should have from the beginning. Her laser ending lag and airdodge landing lag nerfs aren't trivial and shouldn't be overlooked because of the fixes she received, i.e. those to her side-B and up-B.

 

[K-45]

Keep in mind when seeing the ZSS buffs that they didn't really do anything to her beyond making her kit work as it should have from the beginning. Her laser ending lag and airdodge landing lag nerfs aren't trivial and shouldn't be overlooked because of the fixes she received, i.e. those to her side-B and up-B.

Also, I'm not buying at all that vectoring is removed. It would make absolutely no sense for Nintendo to remove it intentionally.

Well as they fixed ZZS they also mention that they fixed links side smash but nope the first hit has to much knockback still.

 

[TeaTwoTime]

Well as they fixed ZZS they also mention that they fixed links side smash but nope the first hit has to much knockback still.

Well, that's another thing we should keep in mind - most of the buffs we've heard about will probably end up being debunked after datamining.

 

[LordFluffy]

Well as they fixed ZZS they also mention that they fixed links side smash but nope the first hit has to much knockback still.

The ZSS ones have been tested over and over, many have been debunked but have not yet been removed from the OP
as for links FSmash, i don't know about you but having compared both 20 times i can safely say connecting the first and second hits on 1.0.4 is much much easier.

 

[Comeback Kid]

Can threads be closed for spreading misinformation? This one qualifies more than most. And even having the gall to ask others to do research when the OP can't even read patch notes properly.

 

[Engage]

Can threads be closed for spreading misinformation? This one qualifies more than most. And even having the gall to ask others to do research when the OP can't even read patch notes properly.

There is no patch notes for this yet, and I didn't spread any 'misinformation'. I'm going by what others are going by, their own findings. Are you even readin' what you type before you reply?

Now I know for a fact that you're just here to be hurt over there being nerfs to characters and not keeping in broken things. As I said, DI can still be a factor until Sakurai himself or someone who's high up / datamining has said otherwise. You know not much about what's going on with this whole dilemma right now. For a fact, there is NOTHING set in stone and 100% official until we either get patch notes, or someone mines into the 3DS databanks and confirms it. I just stated nothing but opinions in my opening post, and only 1 Fact which was corrected, Rush Coil Cancel not being gone, but instead is Rush Escape, a different tech. Thunder Cancel is yet another fact.

 

[Comeback Kid]

Community patch notes you didn't even comprehend going by this thread, that's what makes this so silly. Plenty of those abound if you went ahead and reread what they actually say.

 

[Engage]

Community patch notes you didn't even comprehend going by this thread, that's what makes this so silly. Plenty of those abound if you went ahead and reread what they actually say.

"Community" patch notes, keyword, "community". Meaning, what people THINK they have found or KNOW they have found. It even says in the top of it, "things are subject to change until we have found it to be 100% accurate." If you bothered to read that, the first sentence of that post, you'd know what makes what you replied about me having 'mis information' so silly.

 

[Comeback Kid]

So one random guy somewhere claimed something that no one else does and that is what you based your entire argument on? Is that the gist of it?

Keep digging in, I wanna see how you justify being so wrong later.

 

[Roko Jono]

This is a video game community with a large amount of hardcore and non-hardcore alike. People will cry. Look at all the threads about crying (not just regarding patches). You cannot stop them. Either way they have the right to cry.

 

[Engage]

So one random guy somewhere claimed something that on one else does and that is what you based your entire argument on? Is that the gist of it?

Keep digging in, I wanna see how you justify being so wrong later.

No, I think that's the latter of what you are doing. Complaining because someone said "DI is in." So instead of you actually doing it yourself to test it, or check sources for yourself, you want someone else to do it for you, showing how lazy you are when it comes to a counter argument to anything I said in this thread, and as I said, "community". It's like you said with "Community patch notes" basing it off of someone else's thoughts and findings when you can check yourself and they could be 100% wrong. Someone said Ness had got less delay on PK fire, and it was wrong, as I said, "community patch notes". I want you to get that through to yourself first.

This is a video game community with a large amount of hardcore and non-hardcore alike. People will cry. Look at all the threads about crying (not just regarding patches). You cannot stop them. Either way they have the right to cry.

It's not the crying that got me, it's the people bashing Sakurai for nerfing stuff saying he doesn't know what he's doing.

 

[Comeback Kid]

So to be clear, you know you're wrong now right?

Are you going to fix the OP now or just complain when other people call you out on your incorrect hubris?

 

[Engage]

So to be clear, you know you're wrong now right?

Are you going to fix the OP now or just complain when other people call you out on your incorrect hubris?

Wrong? I was never saying I was right, I'm saying you keep stating everything you say as a "fact" like you're never wrong, I'm saying you're not going to be spoon fed through a spoon shaped bottle you're whole forum or real life for information, if you want to know something, do your own research, or if you want to prove I am factually (FACTUALLY) incorrect, provide a source of your counter argument. I don't provide any sources currently because this is all coming from some other peoples thoughts and opinions. The only ones I will source are things I know are correct because of video proof.

So if anyone's wrong here, it's yourself, because you think you're 100% right all the time it seems. And no, I won't be fixing anything because nothing is wrong with my first post. It's all opinionated, if you bought it as facts, you're asking for yourself to be looked down at.

 

[Comeback Kid]

So you're not fixing what you talked about for paragraphs on end as fact because this conversation made you butthurt?

I tried my best, carry on then I'm done with you.

 

[Yellowpikmin476]

Thank you, hard to express just how much I appreciate this whole thing you just said. I agree, fixing gamebreaking bugs and bringing back DI was such a great change, all the buffs and nerfs were well deserved. People complain their mains got nerfed. Don't see that as a problem. See that as a challenge!

 

[Engage]

So you're not fixing what you talked about for paragraphs on end as fact because this conversation made you butthurt?

I tried my best, carry on then I'm done with you.

What ever you say dude.

Thank you, hard to express just how much I appreciate this whole thing you just said. I agree, fixing gamebreaking bugs and bringing back DI was such a great change, all the buffs and nerfs were well deserved. People complain their mains got nerfed. Don't see that as a problem. See that as a challenge!

DI is a welcome addition dude, let's just hope it's coming back. This isn't confirmed yet. But, all the buffs are REALLY welcome.

 

[EpicPowered]

So you're not fixing what you talked about for paragraphs on end as fact because this conversation made you butthurt?

I tried my best, carry on then I'm done with you.

Come on dude, don't be a jerk. He's just stating theories. There's no point in calling him butthurt.

 

[Yellowpikmin476]

DI is a welcome addition dude, let's just hope it's coming back. This isn't confirmed yet. But, all the buffs are REALLY welcome.

Yeah. And Toon Link's "nerf" was actually something I had no knowledge of, and if I did know of that exploit I wouldn't have bothered to use it. I hardly use complex tricks ad I still manage to win often.

 

[Engage]

Come on dude, don't be a jerk. He's just stating theories. There's no point in calling him butthurt.

Ignore him, he's just being a fool who can't take a legitimate opinion and thoughts thread.

Yeah. And Toon Link's "nerf" was actually something I had no knowledge of, and if I did know of that exploit I wouldn't have bothered to use it. I hardly use complex tricks ad I still manage to win often.

I mean, ofcourse, you don't need it to win. Toon Link is always going to be great, I use TL all the time!

 

[Rojo Espada]

"my palm exercise extended force upon my face"

I loled

 

[Comeback Kid]

You start the thread in the first line saying other people's opinions on the patch are totally wrong, give incorrect information as fact not your opinion, and then say this thread is open to all opinions?

Make up your mind OP.

 

[Engage]

You start the thread in the first line saying other people's opinions on the patch are totally wrong, give incorrect information as fact not your opinion, and then say this thread is open to all opinions?

Make up your mind OP.

I never said anyones op... what. Give incorrect information as fact, again, what? Quote me when I EVER said anyones opinions are wrong, and when I said everything is factual up there. Please, do so.

 

[EpicPowered]

You start the thread in the first line saying other people's opinions on the patch are totally wrong, give incorrect information as fact not your opinion, and then say this thread is open to all opinions?

Make up your mind OP.

I tried my best, carry on then I'm done with you.

 

[Engage]

"I tried my best, carry on then I'm done with you."

There's also that, right there. He just keeps trying to be in the right, see? I was right, he can't repsect an opinion AT ALL. He's one of the people who's head over heels mad at Sakurai for a small patch.

 

[Comeback Kid]

My mistake, shouldn't have read another response back here.

I'm glad you edited the OP (original post) to be more ambivalent.

Now, to your invalidating other opinions:

People who keep seeing this new patch as a "failure" and a "mistake on Sakurai daddy san's side. . ." are so sadly wrong.

You're strawmanning people who have issues with it as seeing the whole thing as a failure and not parts of it, and calling Sakurai their "daddy" is a bad tone to take from the start.

Good tips for the future not to do that in the first line of a post that is open to all opinions.

 

[Engage]

My mistake, shouldn't have read another response back here.

I'm glad you edited the OP (original post) to be more ambivalent but you still are saying DI is possibly back when it isn't. We know this.

Now, to your invalidating other opinions:

People who keep seeing this new patch as a "failure" and a "mistake on Sakurai daddy san's side. . ." are so sadly wrong.

Your strawmanning people who have issues with it as seeing the whole thing as a failure and not parts of it, and calling Sakurai their "daddy" is a bad tone to take from the start.

Good tips for the future not to do that in the first line of a post that is open to all opinions.

That was not saying that everyone was "wrong" for not liking the patch. Saying something is a "failure" from a game developer is like you having art in a museum, and they put a big sign saying "do not touch" then someone says it's a failure and throws water on it.

You don't call someone else's HARD WORK a failure, nor do you say they're making Mistakes when it's THEIR OWN GAME or WORK, they can do what they want with it.

Sakurai knows what he's doing, he's stressed for working on this game, spending sleepless nights on it, for people to go and call it a Failure is drawing the line for how much respect I have left for them. And I called him "daddy" as an inside joke for the smash community that many know of, guessing you never heard of said joke so you took it the wrong way.

I don't mind anyones opinions, but calling a hard working mans work a failure just ticks me off.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

That was not saying that everyone was "wrong" for not liking the patch. Saying something is a "failure" from a game developer is like you having art in a museum, and they put a big sign saying "do not touch" then someone says it's a failure and throws water on it.

You don't call someone else's HARD WORK a failure, nor do you say they're making Mistakes when it's THEIR OWN GAME or WORK, they can do what they want with it.

Sakurai knows what he's doing, he's stressed for working on this game, spending sleepless nights on it, for people to go and call it a Failure is drawing the line for how much respect I have left for them. And I called him "daddy" as an inside joke for the smash community that many know of, guessing you never heard of said joke so you took it the wrong way.

I don't mind anyones opinions, but calling a hard working mans work a failure just ticks me off.

you basicy said every single thing I wanted to tell these children since smash 4 came out

 

[Hayzie]

Little Mac is still OP, though.

Sakurai is brilliant, but what's up with Luigi???

 

[Engage]

Little Mac is still OP, though.

Sakurai is brilliant, but what's up with Luigi???

Luigi is alright, he's just made to be the more silly of the Mario brothers. Clumsy, slippery, oddball. To play Luigi in Smash 4 correctly, you must adapt to his slippery play style.

 

[Hayzie]

Luigi is alright, he's just made to be the more silly of the Mario brothers. Clumsy, slippery, oddball. To play Luigi in Smash 4 correctly, you must adapt to his slippery play style.

No I welcome the change. His feet fluttering and floatiness; I love his character. A decent Sm4sh Luigi is actually tough to go up against. I just don't understand his F smash nerf (maybe I haven't used it enough to accept it). His tornado has definitely changed, though.

I thought this Luigi I was going up against wouldn't make it back to the platform in FG, yet he came back via a few torpedo's. Maybe I need to get a hang of his moves and recovery. Only on Wii U, though.

 

[Engage]

No I welcome the change. His feet fluttering and floatiness; I love his character. A decent Sm4sh Luigi is actually tough to go up against. I just don't understand his F smash nerf (maybe I haven't used it enough to accept it). His tornado has definitely changed, though.

I thought this Luigi I was going up against wouldn't make it back to the platform in FG, yet he came back via a few torpedo's. Maybe I need to get a hang of his moves and recovery. Only on Wii U, though.

Well thing is, they buffed his Forward Smash in the update, by 1%. His Tornado is untouched, only thing people found changed is his forward smash, I don't know anymore than that though.

 

[Reila]

Great post! Unfortunately, it changes nothing. People in this community will keep blaming Sakurai for fixing glitches in the game and they would blame Sakurai if he hadn't fixed the glitches too! Literally damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Personally, I am glad Nintendo is willing to release patches to fix bugs, glitches, things characters aren't supposed to be able to perform, etc. If one of my favorite characters is nerfed because of the removal of a glitch, then that is cool and perfectly fair for me. I prefer the game to be played like it was designed to be played, instead of becoming the glitch fest that was a certain game in the series, popular among some competitive players.

Glitches aren't advanced techniques. Glitches are glitches and should be fixed.