Official Stage Discussion

[Comeback Kid]

I must have read the reddit thread wrong, oops. What is paired with Bowser's Castle then?

 

[TheFlyingCule]

Rainbow Cruise isn't at least an Alt? That's a shame because It's my favorite casual stage

 

[Sandfall]

I must have read the reddit thread wrong, oops. What is paired with Bowser's Castle then?

Not all stages have alts. We're saving those slots for future stages.

Rainbow Cruise isn't at least an Alt? That's a shame because It's my favorite casual stage

All N64 HD remakes have the original as their alt stage, so yeah, Rainbow Cruise had to get cut. If we ever get stage expansion working properly, we'll most likely add it back.

 

[TheFlyingCule]

Not all stages have alts. We're saving those slots for future stages.


All N64 HD remakes have the original as their alt stage, so yeah, Rainbow Cruise had to get cut. If we ever get stage expansion working properly, we'll most likely add it back.

Makes sense I guess, I did like the old Peach's Castle too

 

[MegaMissingno]

Dracula's previously went over Luigi's Mansion, but it looks like Delfino's Secret now goes over Delfino (with the Brawl stage as an alternate). So what's in Luigi's Mansion's slot now? I assumed that was where Bowser's Castle was gonna go, but if not then I have no idea.

 

[Cubelarooso]

house

 

[Nefnoj]

I was considering releasing a stationary version of the stage on the side. Is that something you guys would like?

Naw.

wat
Mario Kart isn't being brought back.

Surprise.


Alternate for Final Destination is Mario Kart.

 

[CrimsonVallier]

I have a few questions like if you can put ASL on the training stage?
It would be pretty cool if the PMDT put the CEO2014 stage as the asl of the training stage.
also I heard that when you pick a stage and push random it won't go on any ASL stage, does that also happen when going to rules and put it on random?

 

[arcticfox8]

I was considering releasing a stationary version of the stage on the side. Is that something you guys would like?

yes pls based sandfall

 

[Nefnoj]

I have a few questions like if you can put ASL on the training stage?
It would be pretty cool if the PMDT put the CEO2014 stage as the asl of the training stage.
also I heard that when you pick a stage and push random it won't go on any ASL stage, does that also happen when going to rules and put it on random?

I don't like that stage, it's kind of ugly... But they could remaster it and make it an easter egg by simply not showing it when you highlight the training stage.

 

[flintconfirmed]

house

You know this is a long shot but luigis mansion icon looks like the house you posted a screen cap of on saffron city
Edit. My eyes are tired maybe I'm just crazy here

 

[Cubelarooso]

Pokémon Mansion is on Cinnabar tho.

 

[GP&B]

I looked at the in-game map of LGFR and I still can't find that house either.

 

[mimgrim]

Of all the casual stages, Rainbow Cruise was one of the best ones. :<

It's probably too much to hope that Mushroom Castle 64 to become a competitively legal stage by the community Psst, put in in the second row.

 

[GFooChombey]

@ Sandfall Assuming you've returned Spear Pillar as it was (3 different possibilities), no alternate stage would be possible, right? Is it possible to select which version loads using a special input?

 

[Soft Serve]

wut is house

This looks like its supposed to be the burned pillar/tower thing from gen 2, in the town with the ghost gym.

 

[RIDLEY is too SMALL]

I haven't been on Smashboards for several months, but I just saw the 3.6 trailer and I wanted to say that I have always wanted Peach's Castle 64 as a stage (since it's one of my favorites), but I never thought it would actually happen. Thank you so much for whoever was responsible for including it in 3.6. The HD version looks incredible! Does the moving platform have a grab-able ledge?

Having an alternate stage loader is exactly what PM needs, and I'm super happy it since it means that we can get new stages without removing anymore old ones (although I too am disappointed by the removal of Rainbow Cruise).

Also, I think that retexturing Dracula's Castle was a smart move.

 

[Rᴏb]

I looked at the in-game map of LGFR and I still can't find that house either.

I think it's supposed to be the daycare.
Nope, it isn't.

 

[Player -0]

Does the moving platform have a grab-able ledge?

I'm fairly sure yes, if you look at the trailer Ivy tethers to the moving platform.

 

[RIDLEY is too SMALL]

I'm fairly sure yes, if you look at the trailer Ivy tethers to the moving platform.

Wow, I'm stupid. I didn't even check.

 

[Sandfall]

@ Sandfall Assuming you've returned Spear Pillar as it was (3 different possibilities), no alternate stage would be possible, right? Is it possible to select which version loads using a special input?

I'm not sure. If it was possible in Brawl, then it should be possible in 3.6.

 

[Saikyoshi]

What I'm concerned about:

...how will the music work?

I don't want to lose "Ballad of the Goddess / Ghirahim's Theme" on Slyloft, but I don't want to give up either of the Temple tracks, either. Among other things, like how Castlevania music simply would not work on Delfino Secret, and Delfino music would not work on Dracula's Castle.

 

[GFooChombey]

What I'm concerned about:

...how will the music work?

I don't want to lose "Ballad of the Goddess / Ghirahim's Theme" on Slyloft, but I don't want to give up either of the Temple tracks, either. Among other things, like how Castlevania music simply would not work on Delfino Secret, and Delfino music would not work on Dracula's Castle.

Unless they figured out how to code extra music slots, the alt stages will play music based on their main stage. You will just have to shuffle songs around.

 

[TheGravyTrain]

What I'm concerned about:

...how will the music work?

I don't want to lose "Ballad of the Goddess / Ghirahim's Theme" on Slyloft, but I don't want to give up either of the Temple tracks, either. Among other things, like how Castlevania music simply would not work on Delfino Secret, and Delfino music would not work on Dracula's Castle.

Delphino's Secret has an alt of Delphino, not Dracula's. Dracula's slot has been replaced by Luigi's Mansion.

 

[Saikyoshi]

Delphino's Secret has an alt of Delphino, not Dracula's. Dracula's slot has been replaced by Luigi's Mansion.

I see. So if Luigi's Mansion doesn't have an alt, that slot's open, then. I just know that I prefer DC over Delfino's Secret, but I can't overwrite it because I use my build publicly.

The other issue still stands, though, with Temple/Skyloft, and probably other combinations.

Unless they figured out how to code extra music slots, the alt stages will play music based on their main stage. You will just have to shuffle songs around.

I'm assuming they'll share My Music frequencies... If it was just songbanks, it wouldn't be too much of an issue, but sharing My Music frequencies is gonna' make things kinda tough.

Like as much as I'd want Melee Battlefield to mostly play Multi-Man Melee 1, but I don't want Brawl Battlefield to play it because it doesn't fit, that probably can't be done.

 

[CBO0tz]

Not all stages have alts. We're saving those slots for future stages.

Do alternate stages have to have the same theme or stay in the same universe as the original stage?

 

[Cubelarooso]

I just know that I prefer DC over Delfino's Secret, but I can't overwrite it because I use my build publicly.

You could buy another SD card.

 

[Saikyoshi]

Something I've really been wanting;

Can the alt stages be added into the randomization for single-player modes? Like, is there some way I can be able to fight on them in Classic and All-Star?

 

[Nefnoj]

Something I've really been wanting;

Can the alt stages be added into the randomization for single-player modes? Like, is there some way I can be able to fight on them in Classic and All-Star?

ALL
MY
YES.

 

[Saikyoshi]

ALL
MY
YES.

Good to know I'm not the only one who wants it.

 

[Sandfall]

Do alternate stages have to have the same theme or stay in the same universe as the original stage?

The way we organized it, yes. Of course, you can organize it however you like for your custom builds.

Something I've really been wanting;

Can the alt stages be added into the randomization for single-player modes? Like, is there some way I can be able to fight on them in Classic and All-Star?

That is not something we have the capability to do at the moment, unfortunately.

 

[flintconfirmed]

I know I'm a nobody but i feel like one of my favorite stage creators is forgotten.

I really want to suggest anyone on the PMDev team to take a look at Skeleton's stages. He's working on a really neat looking Earthbound stage (Lumine Hall) and basically earthbound has no decently competitive stages so far.

I love PM to death and you guys are so busy of course i can do the obvious stuff, I just wanna recommend some quality work.

 

[CBO0tz]

In that case..

While we don't know how many Alternate Stages there are going to be, can we suggest what sort of Alternate Stages can be added (Or created) to some of the maps that don't have any yet?

If so, I'll add some of my ideas for alternate stages.

Skyworld could get a stage based on Underworld from the old Kid Icarus games. http://www.kidicaruswiki.org/images/b/bc/UnderworldNES.png

Bowser's Castle could get an alt based on Super Mario 64 Bowser stages. Bowser In The Dark World/Fire Sea/Sky, maybe?

HD Peach's Castle should have Princess Peach's Castle.

Maybe Norfair could get an Alternate based on Tourian, while Frigate Orpheon gets one based on either the Space Pirate base in Metroid Prime, or maybe somewhere else iconic to the Metroid Prime series.. Phendrana Drifts, Agon Wastes, Torvus Bog, or Skytown, Elysia from Prime 2/3?

What could be done for Smashville though.. Maybe a stage set on Animal Island from the original Animal Crossing on the GC?

Lylat could have Venom as an alternate stage, that would be awesome.

Unfortunately, I haven't played any of the Kirby games, so I don't know what could be done for FoD.. Although it could use an HD remake, but that's for another PM Update.. Maybe a stage in Dedede's Arena?
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/kirby/images/4/4e/KTD_Dedede's_Arena.png/revision/latest?cb=20140522043914&path-prefix=en

FD could have the fixed Brawl FD as an alternate, that would be nice.

Yoshi's Island definitely needs Melee Yoshi's Island as an alternate. No choice. I need my 3D Super Mario World stage.

Yoshi's Story should have 64 Yoshi's Story, that would be excellent.

There could be a new balanced version of Shadow Moses, while the Brawl original can be the alternate. Balanced versions have been made before. (Or there could be another stage based off of an entirely different place in the Metal Gear series, idk)

Congo Jungle = Winky's Walkway?
http://donkeykong.wikia.com/wiki/Winky's_Walkway

Fourside = Updated New Pork City perhaps

Onett = Tazmily Village

Not sure what could be done for the Big Blue though. New F-Zero stage based on Cosmo Terminal or Casino Palace from F-Zero: GX?

Port Town Aero Dive = Mute City

Flat Zone 2 = Flat Zone 1

Ship = Great Bay/maybe new Wind Waker stage?

Spear Pillar/POKE FLOATS??

I have no clue for the rest.. Maybe a stage based on a different location in the Halberd? You could use the stage in the Subspace Emissary when you fight Dark Peach/Zelda. Maybe a stage set in the Desert area you first encounter the Fire Emblem characters in battling Meta Knight in the SSE, but with some Fire Emblem assets added.

 

[Leafeon]

I'd prefer Dragon's Gate opposed to anything simply "assets added"
A location that comes from both Roy's game and the first game released with an official English translation. I wouldn't really care if it was tourney-legal or not. Having something akin to spear-pillar would be nice for a casual stage, with dragons coming out of the gate occasionally to use their breath on stage locations.

There aren't that many other iconic locations in Fire Emblem to go after, except perchance Castle Altea, but I think we're having enough trouble figuring out which castles to put in our game at this point.

You could also go for the Crimean Castle Courtyard from Path of Radiance. I won't suggest Radiant Dawn stages as it doesn't seem like that is the version of Ike we have in our game.

Don't just "add assets" to an otherwise bland area when there are iconic locations within the series to go to.

 

[The Incinerator]

If Yoshi's Island 64 was to be included as an alternative stage as suggested above by a few people I think that they should make it an alt for brawl Yoshi's Island and then design brawl Yoshi's Island as the hd remake in terms of look but keeping the stage layout of brawl Yoshi's Island

 

[Draco_The]

It would be weird having all but one 64 stage with HD remakes.

 

[Nefnoj]

It would be weird having all but one 64 stage with HD remakes.

But would Yoshi's Island (from the first Smash Bros.) look significantly different if it was HD? I feel like Yoshi's Island to Yoshi's Story is the same as Zebes to Brinstar. It would also mean that every stage other than Mushroom Kingdom would be left out, which was a secret stage so it's not that big a deal even though I love that stage as which could go with the Melee Mushroom Kingdom.

 

[GFooChombey]

It would be weird having all but one 64 stage with HD remakes.

I believe I read either Sandfall or Nano say that Sector Z and Zebes are not getting HD remakes since they're stage alts.

 

[Player -0]

Is 64 Hyrule going to be fixed for size then?

 

[CBO0tz]

I'd prefer Dragon's Gate opposed to anything simply "assets added"
A location that comes from both Roy's game and the first game released with an official English translation. I wouldn't really care if it was tourney-legal or not. Having something akin to spear-pillar would be nice for a casual stage, with dragons coming out of the gate occasionally to use their breath on stage locations.

There aren't that many other iconic locations in Fire Emblem to go after, except perchance Castle Altea, but I think we're having enough trouble figuring out which castles to put in our game at this point.

You could also go for the Crimean Castle Courtyard from Path of Radiance. I won't suggest Radiant Dawn stages as it doesn't seem like that is the version of Ike we have in our game.

Don't just "add assets" to an otherwise bland area when there are iconic locations within the series to go to.

I agree completely.

Though there looks like there's a lot of obstacles on Dragin's Gate that would interfere with fighting.

Maybe if the stage was set on the bridge, but facing the gate as shown in that image, with the bridge widened a bit more, it would be a fun stage to play on that totally fits the look of Fire Emblem.
And with those flanking towers as extra jumping platforms as well - that would be a pretty fun casual stage.

Castle Siege should be turned into one of the Castles from Fire Emblem games. Castle Altea seems like the best choice, as Marth is a Prince/Hero King, and needs a fitting stage.

Ike should have a stage based off of the Greil Mercenaries' base of operations, if they have one. Thought looking on one of the FE wiki's, it doesn't say that they do..