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Dolla Pills
Even frame perfect shine OoS is actually aerial for at least 5 frames. This means that you have to delay your jump a bit to land if you don't want to dj out of the shine.
Yeah I know that in practice but I kinda failed to explain it. Just out of curiosity is five the number of frames you have to wait after the shine comes out for you to be on the ground or the number of frames you have to wait after inputting the jump?@
You just have to practice releasing the button as fast as possible. I use Y, so to SH I angle the last joint of my thumb downwards then straighten it to release. This movement seems faster/more efficient than keeping your thumb straight and moving the entire digit down and up.
Like EVERYTHING in melee It just takes time and practice, there often aren't short cuts or tricks. But when I first started with Samus (who also has a 2 frame SH) I would practice in a very quick alternating motion I'd lightly jab the y button as fast as I could with the tip of my thumb aiming downwards and then I'd see how fast I could nair by hitting the A button with the middle part of my thumb. But don't just do a rocking motion from tip to middle digit, actually try and keep them as two separate motions 1-2....1-2.....1-2. I would find that focusing on getting that Nair out as fast as possible it would indirectly help increase my tap jumping speed as I practiced.
Bowser jumpsquat though.
Yea I'm sure my gran gran can do Bowser SH's all day err day
All of those are off by a frame... Fox, Pikachu, ICs, etc. all have 3 frames of jumpsquat (airborne on frame 4). Maybe you just meant the jump button must be released by that frame, but the way you worded it kind of suggests characters SH sooner than they FH, which isn't the case.
from what I got from that video, I would DI up. confirm? also thanks a lot this cleared up a lot of confusion
You have to delay the double jump and waveland a bit because you will be in hit lag after hitting them
Yeah that should give you your best survival DI. Now you can also try to DI/ASDI/SDI into the ground and tech to prevent being sent off stage, but those get risky at high percents because if you miss the tech you will probably die.
On or near the ground (or platforms) it would be much MUCH smarter to DI down and toward the opponent and hit the C-stick downward as well to ADSI further into the ground, also try and shield as soon as the attack connects. This is known as an Amsah tech and it can force the trajectory of the knockback into ground, when you hit ground it will reduce the hitstun and velocity and you may be able to tech or auto grab ledge. It's a life saver.
BuddingtonDa3rd
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DefyPls
It's better to just press x/y the same time as R/L to techwalljump (yes, using jump button has huge 20 frame buffer window like teching), because often you want to [A]SDI into the wall.
kingPiano
I'll add that while in the rare case of purely horizontal kb it doesn't matter, the best di to amsah tech with is usually down on c-stick and combo di with control stick: down and away (When teching moves that send diagonally like fox bair/dsmash for example) or straight away, if the move sends (almost) purely upwards (marth uair).
Holding is not needed.
You might want to watch my video on DI (“Hitlag and directional influence”) to the end. All of this is explained in there.
DefyPls
It doesn't matter how long you hold the x/y or R/L as long as you press them within 20 frames of hitting the wall, and don't have your tech disabled by earlier R/L input. It's explained in the video too. If you're still inefficient, there are three major aspects I think you might go wrong with.
