Official Brawl Tier Discussion (OP Updated)

[Tim_The_Enchanter]

I don't usually have many problems with MK because I can counter with DK. The only problem is when they counterpick against my DK :[

 

[Onxy]

What makes DK such a great counter to MK?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

eh, id rather fight an MK doing that than a ledge camping, roll-dodge dsmash spamming ROB.

Not every ROB does that. I try not to spam too much (not even with Pit that much), and not everyone spams. You can't be biased against a character just because of what a few people do. Unless the character is MK or Snake, then they are already broken so no one cares.

 

[YoshiBomb]

In anycase I checked Ankoku's thread and found the stuff.


List Summary
Full List
S: Snake, Meta Knight
A: King Dedede, Wario, Marth, Mr. Game & Watch, ROB
B: Lucario, Donkey Kong, Pikachu, Wolf, Falco, Pit
C: Fox, Olimar, Ike, Kirby, Toon Link, Lucas, Ice Climbers, Peach, Zelda, Sonic
D: Zero Suit Samus, Diddy Kong, Sheik, Luigi, Ness, Mario, Bowser
E: Pokemon Trainer, Ganondorf, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, Link, Samus, Yoshi

This is the most up to date one

Most up-to-date rankings, no details: (last updated July 27, 2008)
S: Snake, Meta Knight
A: King Dedede; Marth, Mr. Game & Watch, Wario
B: Falco, ROB, Lucario, Donkey Kong; Olimar
C: Ice Climbers, Kirby, Diddy Kong, Wolf, Fox, Pit, Zero Suit Samus
D: Peach; Sonic, Pikachu, Ness, Zelda, Toon Link, Ike, Jigglypuff, Bowser, Samus, Luigi, Pokémon Trainer, Lucas
E: Mario, Sheik; SheikZelda; Yoshi; Captain Falcon; Link; Ganondorf

 

[Frown]

S: Snake, Meta Knight
A: King Dedede; Marth, Mr. Game & Watch, Wario
B: Falco, ROB, Lucario, Donkey Kong; Olimar
C: Ice Climbers, Kirby, Diddy Kong, Wolf, Fox, Pit, Zero Suit Samus
D: Peach; Sonic, Pikachu, Ness, Zelda, Toon Link, Ike, Jigglypuff, Bowser, Samus, Luigi, Pokémon Trainer, Lucas
E: Mario, Sheik; SheikZelda; Yoshi; Captain Falcon; Link; Ganondorf

That's how many times the characters have reached good spots in tourneys.

If Captain Falcon would win every tourney he entered, but only entered five of them, he would be at the bottom of the rankings list and on the top of the tier list.

 

[Frown]

What makes DK such a great counter to MK?

Longer limbs.

 

[Browny]

i still cant figure it out... DK's disadvantages are hes a combo pin-cushion of sorts. thats exactly what MK was built for dealing with. If DK can take on that and win comfortably, by the same logic he should be god tier, since hes got all the best traits of a heavyweight while seemingly having none of thier disadvantages.

 

[Onxy]

Longer limbs.

Longer limbs? They have the same tilt range, and aerial combat doesn't matter to MK; since that is what he excels in.

 

[ShadowLink84]

This is the most up to date one

Most up-to-date rankings, no details: (last updated July 27, 2008)
S: Snake, Meta Knight
A: King Dedede; Marth, Mr. Game & Watch, Wario
B: Falco, ROB, Lucario, Donkey Kong; Olimar
C: Ice Climbers, Kirby, Diddy Kong, Wolf, Fox, Pit, Zero Suit Samus
D: Peach; Sonic, Pikachu, Ness, Zelda, Toon Link, Ike, Jigglypuff, Bowser, Samus, Luigi, Pokémon Trainer, Lucas
E: Mario, Sheik; SheikZelda; Yoshi; Captain Falcon; Link; Ganondorf

The full list is the spring and summer results combined.
What you have ar ethe summer results.

 

[Krayn]

It should be MK, Snake, D3, GW, Falco, Rob, Marth, Diddy. Then the rest.

 

[fkacyan]

The full list is the spring and summer results combined.
What you have ar ethe summer results.

The full list is... an old list that is no longer updated.

It says "Old post" right over the link you clicked.

 

[ShadowLink84]

WOMG RLY!?
Seriously I really cannot read especially when it says old inside the html!

I don't see anything that has the spring and summer results added up together in the recent thread and because it is a .txt I assumed Ankoku was using it to add the results together.

 

[Nintendevil]

What makes DK such a great counter to MK?

uncharged D-smash kills at 90 percent. same for F and Usmash.

the paunch is also jsut as strong, and he can space like crazy. also, because Meta isn't good at spikes, gimping is almost useless against him because of DK's insane horizontal recovery.

It should be MK, Snake, D3, GW, Falco, Rob, Marth, Diddy. Then the rest.

I rofled. yeah Snake doesn't seem as hard anymore becasue...everyone practiced against him, this doesn't mean he still has huge priority against the weaker ones compared to MK.

D3 is in no way top. (yes top could be three chars) Gaw is the best option here. this is where things get messy. Priority starts to... equalise. Ide say Falco,Rob, marth D3, but that's just me...

 

[PK Hexagon]

Top: Meta Knight, Snake, G-Dub

Upper: Marth, Falco, D3, ROB

High: Wario, Lucario, Donkey Kong, Olimar, Kirby

And the rest no one cares about, amirite?

 

[SmashExpert94]

Hello, I think Lucario and Ike are both very good. Maybe even good enough for top tier. Metaknight is also a real beast!

 

[fkacyan]

Hello, I think Lucario and Ike are both very good. Maybe even good enough for top tier. Metaknight is also a real beast!

It's posts like this that keep me on Smashboards.

 

[SmashExpert94]

I forgot to add Wolf and Sonic! They're also worthy of at least high tier!

 

[SmashExpert94]

It's posts like this that keep me on Smashboards.

Really? Why is that?

 

[ShadowLink84]

Its posts like those that make me worry about the state of smashboards.

 

[fkacyan]

Really? Why is that?

I need the occasional laugh.

 

[Rhykune]

I smell troll.

 

[SmashExpert94]

Its posts like those that make me worry about the state of smashboards.

Hey! What did I do wrong? It's my opinion!

 

[stoopdklutz]

...Just drop it. Sorry.

 

[SmashExpert94]

I smell troll.

...Just drop it. Sorry.

Aw, come on you guys. I just say what I think. It can't sound that stupid!

I mean, Lucario gets stronger as the match goes on.
Ike has a forward smash attack that kills at really low %.
Metaknight can combo and stay airborne thanks to his multiple jumps.
Wolf has good samshes and a better gun than Falco and Fox.
Sonic is really fast and has a good recovery.

 

[ShadowLink84]

So I was wondering.
Where would the IC's go tier wise?

please stop saying Sonic would be high tier.
Its never gonna happen

 

[PK Hexagon]

So I was wondering.
Where would the IC's go tier wise?

Top mid, methinks.

 

[The Real Inferno]

On the topic of Donkey Kong vs. Meta - DK lives through alot of Meta's easy kills on most characters. Juggling off the stage is very difficult due to DK's Up B punching through Metaknight's attacks often. Dk outranges Meta on the ground, keeping him at bay with Dtilt, Ftilt and DownB. He also kills at ludicrously low percentages. He can psuedo combo MK from Dthrow and smack him through Whorenado as well. Basically, even though DK looks like easy combo bait, he has the tools to stop Meta from ever starting those combos in the first place. Unlike other big characters his moves come out comparitively fast with less lag time.

 

[Snowstalker]

GOD:

Snake
Meta Knight

TOP:

Mr. Game & Watch
Marth
Falco
R.O.B.
King Dedede

HIGH:

Captian Olimar
Wario
Toon Link
Kirby
Donkey Kong
Pit
Pikachu

MIDDLE:

Ice Climbers
Zelda
Wolf
Lucario
Fox
Diddy Kong
Luigi
Lucas
Zero Suit Samus
Mario
Peach
Ness
Yoshi
Bowser

LOW:

Pokemon Trainer
Ike
Sonic
Shiek
Samus

BOTTOM:

Link
Ganondorf
Jigglypuff
Captian Falcon

I moved Snake and Meta Knight into God Tier, switched Link and Samus, bumped up Sonic and Kirby, and pushed Wolf down a little bit.

 

[PK Hexagon]

stuff

Why is Pit in High but not Lucario?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

list

IC's > Zelda, Wolf, Lucario???
Yoshi in middle?
Samus in low?

 

[Tim_The_Enchanter]

Yoshi is High Tier now. Don't you read the paper?

 

[ROOOOY!]

You need to even out your tiers a bit more. Mid seems quite big.
Anyway, basically what everyone else is saying. Lucario is too low, Mario is far too high, Sonic is too low still, Peach needs to move down like a few places.
I'd honestly say you're God and Top tier I fully agree with, so good job on that anyway. Once it gets to like the second half of the tier list, opinions vary greatly. I'm not gonna bash yours or anything because I'm not evil, but there are a few characters in pretty strange placements, see the afore mentioned Mario and Lucario.

 

[ShadowLink84]

I am amazed that yoshi is above a good unmber of characters despite having very poor tourney outtings.
he should remain in low tier.

 

[exidid]

Top:

King Dedede
Peach
Falco
Bowser
Zamus
Sheik

Upper

Kirby
Zelda
Olimar
Ike
Fox
Ganondorf

High

Link
Pokemon Trainer
...

It's the beginning of my new tier list. Comments would be appreciated.

______________________

Peach is high mid tier in my opinion :>

 

[Mmac]

I just basically modified Snow's list, and followed the general suggestions of everyone else.

Top:

Snake
Meta Knight

High:

Mr. Game & Watch
Marth
Falco
R.O.B.
Dedede

Upper Mid:

Olimar
Wario
Toon Link
Kirby
Donkey Kong
Pikachu
Lucario

Lower Mid:

Pit
Zelda
Wolf
Ice Climbers
Fox
Diddy
Luigi
Ness
Lucas
Zero Suit Samus

Low:

Peach
Mario
Sonic
Yoshi
Bowser
Pokemon Trainer
Ike
Sheik

Bottom:

Samus
Link
Ganondorf
Jigglypuff
Captian Falcon


Hows it look?

 

[ROOOOY!]

Give up there Exidid son.
*Hands flame sheild, along with flame house and flame tin roof*

 

[Kazon]

I am amazed that yoshi is above a good unmber of characters despite having very poor tourney outtings.
he should remain in low tier.

yoshi is full of win :D
i mean, he can eat ya alive!!! omg x)

 

[ShadowLink84]

Oh **** Exidid Lit A Match!

Take Cover!

 

[Grunt]

Top:

King Dedede
Peach
Falco
Bowser
Zamus
Sheik

Upper

Kirby
Zelda
Olimar
Ike
Fox
Ganondorf

High

Link
Pokemon Trainer
...

It's the beginning of my new tier list. Comments would be appreciated.

How about this comment?
"Your list fails"

 

[exidid]

How about this comment?
"Your list fails"

(flame shield)

The characters were randomly picked and randomly placed in mah list. King Dedede was close though :·D