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HeadISBAgent

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this thread seriously depresses me...

Ok, so people are talking like it's $50 for smash matches? No, it's $50 if you want BOTH discs.

Disc 1: all matches in data format, playable on the computer (think last year's) - $25
Disc 2: the final few matches from each event, in a playable on a regular DVD player - $25

The whole reason we even considered making a Disc 2 was because last year our biggest complaints were either "I paid $25 for a lot of matches I don't care about" or "I can't watch it on my TV". We are attempting to address both of those this time, while also offering the same style product as last year, for those that preferred it like that.

This is a lot like when Nintendo released Pokemon for the first time, in 2 versions. Did they say, "if you want to play pokemon, you must pay $60"? No, you'd only pay $60 if you wanted BOTH versions, which was pretty useless anyway. It's the same case here, you'd only be paying $50 if you wanted BOTH all the matches in data format, AND a DVD that can be played in most players.

I hope this clears up a lot of confusion. For those that want updates, encoding is completely done. On to editing....

EDIT: The first to charge for smash matches is MattDeezie, for his TG4 DVD. But most of the current community is probably too new to remember that.
o, that makes a lot more sense. But I have a feeling the DVD friendly finals version won't sell as much as expected :p
Anyways, is there an ETA on the release and specifics on how to buy them? The eBay way was pretty convenient for me last year.
 

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It's the same case here, you'd only be paying $50 if you wanted BOTH all the matches in data format, AND a DVD that can be played in most players.
wait wait, this confuses me. do both dvds have the same content and are just different formats, or do they actually have different content?
 

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Manacloud produces the most indisputable string of logical statements to ever grace the screen of my computer.
i lol'd




Also Manacloud, internet copyright infringement 101:

Flash is not foolproof. Not even close. It would still only take one person to do it.

Hell, even if they didn't know anything about Flash they could just record what was going on their screen and then cut the feed out and encode it. Or fullscreen it and record then encode. Or whatever.

The only way to stop piracy is to make people want to buy your product.
 

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alright

everyone stfu about how you can get around protections and stuff. I posted on the first page and my other post this isnt a thread about how you feel about the prices or the cost of the dvds or what you think of piracy. This is a thread to ask me questions about what is on the dvd, or when it might be released.

new prices are as follows and these are set as stone so stop *****ing.

those who went to oc3 will pay
25 dollars for an oc3 dvd + 5 more for shipping = 30 total

those who didnt go will pay

35 for the dvd + 5 more for shipping = 40 total

so basically those who went to oc3 will get a ten dollar discount.

If you want to buy the high quality finals disk its another 5 on top of your original purchase. Otherwise you only get the data disk.

Now, with that said: the first 50 people who order the oc3 dvd will get the high quality finals match for free and wont have to pay the extra 5. After 50 is sold people will have to buy the high quality finals match disk for 5 additional dollars.

if people are still byching about these prices then im going to inform a mod. Otherwise have a nice day.

once i post the registration page you can start registering.

edit-
if you look at evo2k and how they price their dvds its the same way we did before. 2 discs for 50 dollars total including crowd footage and interviews, but since we arent evo and we are nice, these are the new prices. So be happy with it.
 

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Is there any way you could post a list of every single match on the dvds? Its good that you are giving us the gist of what will be included, but I'm sure there are plenty of other prospective buyers that would like to know exactly what they are getting before they purchase the DVDs.
 

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yes

Is there any way you could post a list of every single match on the dvds? Its good that you are giving us the gist of what will be included, but I'm sure there are plenty of other prospective buyers that would like to know exactly what they are getting before they purchase the DVDs.
i will post a list as soon as i start editing the matches. The encoding got done yesterday so i am quite happy with all the footage. Now I gotta sit down and actually edit each one to make it fit one dvd. Once i am done i will post a list and put up a registration list. Then people can start registering their info and all that stuff.
 

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soooo...... i attempted to go to Oc3 but got stuck in norcal, do i get a discount since i tryed? xD
 

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So the prices were before shipping, ouch.

Do they at least have additional material besides matches? The days of Melee are numbered, watching the matches and analyzing strategies aren't that important anymore. The reason someone would want to buy a tournament dvd is to remember the experience, to see some of the faces behind the characters, etc... What (if at all) can we expect in that regard?
 

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VOD is streamed
the DVD isn't ...

it's like buying DVDs for the physical comfort it gives you
instead of downloading DivX rips

OR PORN

Why buy porn when you can watch it streaming
cuz... you want the box set and extras i guess LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
 

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however, if i did this why would we the dvd makers and staff of oc3 even want to encode the matches?
Did you allow cameras at the event? If not, you have a responsibility to get these up in some form or another. Hopefully you're donating all that recording equipment to charity or something, I don't think people are comfortable paying extra costs on the DVD so you can have yourself a new external hard drive, dvd burner, and video equipment.

2. No Blatant Advertising If you have your own website, you can give it a quick mention in a legitimate post, but if you make a post specifically for advertising your site, it will be edited and you will receive a penalty. Also, do not sell anything through Smash World unless it is approved by the Administrator (Gideon ). Finally, do not advertise your own or anybody else's website through a private message. If somebody sends you SPAM like this, report it to a Moderator with your username, the contents of the message, and the sender's username.

* Making an advertisement post - 1 point, 1 week length
* Making an advertisement topic - 2 points, 2 weeks length
* Private Message advertisement - 2 points, 2 weeks length
So hopefully you checked this through with Gideon! Stop telling people that they're spamming and that you're report them to a mod.
 

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i don't know about ken vs silentwolf, i'm like 80% sure we have that one

you vs bombsoldier we have for sure, i watched it the other day;)
 

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LOL HOW DID I MISS THIS THREAD?

$40 FOR THE OC3 DVD? LLLLLMMMMMMMAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

first he robs you blind in a tournament, then with a dvd

MANACLOUD IS TOO GOOD LMAO
 

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the dvds

they come with footage and some interviews at the event. so yes those are included.

altf4warrior those prices before included shipping. These new prices i just listed the shipping.
 

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Average Blockbuster Movie 20$
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Ripping off the internet --- Priceless.
 

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Mana

Will these matches ever be released to the rest of the world? After OC2, the finals matches between Ken/M2K were out on youtube.
 

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Why buy porn when you can watch it streaming
cuz... you want the box set and extras i guess LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Well, porn is a pretty broad category, and if you want certain genres of porn that aren't that mainstream of good quality, it's pretty hard to find good quality porn of that type on P2P networks, and pretty much impossible on any website. :)
 

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Mana, it amazes me how you can completely disregard your customers. It really would take someone holding you at a gunpoint to get you to not act this way. Everyone here is protesting for two reasons.

(1) -- There were questionable activities at 0C3 that ticked off a lot of attendees. (Pointing out that I did not attend doesn't change the fact that dozens of people who did attend complained about a number of issues. Obviously, something was happening.) Rather than apologize and handle the situation with dignity, you say everyone else is wrong and just continue on your way; you can apologize for the misunderstanding even if you really did nothing wrong.

(2) -- $50 is an outrageous price for even three DVDs. Lord of the Rings Extended Edition comes with 4 discs and costs in the vicinity of $30. Obviously, it is a free market, and you are indeed free to dictate the price. However, everyone here is simply trying to help you. Your customers are not cheapskates who are trying to rob you of your revenue. If the price were dropped to $20, I guarantee that you would sell more than double the amount of your $50 version thus making you more money and generating less complaints. How could you possibly not want that???

On a side not (and I may be the only one bothered by this), but if you are going to be selling a product (at $50 especially), is it too much to ask that you put a little pride into your first post? Your presentation both here and in the original 0C3 tournament thread have horrible grammar and presentation. Make it look real! Increase the excitement by adding some color and bigger text! Make it look professional if you want it to be taken seriously!! :(
 

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well look at it like this

Mana, it amazes me how you can completely disregard your customers. It really would take someone holding you at a gunpoint to get you to not act this way. Everyone here is protesting for two reasons.

(1) -- There were questionable activities at 0C3 that ticked off a lot of attendees. (Pointing out that I did not attend doesn't change the fact that dozens of people who did attend complained about a number of issues. Obviously, something was happening.) Rather than apologize and handle the situation with dignity, you say everyone else is wrong and just continue on your way; you can apologize for the misunderstanding even if you really did nothing wrong.

(2) -- $50 is an outrageous price for even three DVDs. Lord of the Rings Extended Edition comes with 4 discs and costs in the vicinity of $30. Obviously, it is a free market, and you are indeed free to dictate the price. However, everyone here is simply trying to help you. Your customers are not cheapskates who are trying to rob you of your revenue. If the price were dropped to $20, I guarantee that you would sell more than double the amount of your $50 version thus making you more money and generating less complaints. How could you possibly not want that???

On a side not (and I may be the only one bothered by this), but if you are going to be selling a product (at $50 especially), is it too much to ask that you put a little pride into your first post? Your presentation both here and in the original 0C3 tournament thread have horrible grammar and presentation. Make it look real! Increase the excitement by adding some color and bigger text! Make it look professional if you want it to be taken seriously!! :(
the issue with oc3 with the money has been dropped. We explained where all the cost went and the only people who argued were those who didnt attend. I didnt hear complaints from those who won or went. I have talked to pc chris and he was cool with it as well. So far no winners have complained either. The only complaints like i said were people who didnt know what was going on , who didnt attend and just assumed crap. For instance, like the mew2king aim event, which tons of people believed we only paid mew2king 200, or like how people claimed ammonia affected the players ability to play when no ammonia was insight and there was just a sign. We even had two chemical engineers there who were smashers one being eddie and he has worked with ammonia. He said there were none and smashers are idiots. How i see it smashers on the smash boards who dont go to tournaments are really unappreciative. They just like drama and likes to talk **** then all their friends and everyone they know follows up on spam.

Now with that said, now onto the issue with dvds. How many times do i have to mention that the choice is the players to buy the dvd? before any of you post, please listen? If you arent going to buy it then dont post, there is no point. I dont need to hear your reasoning. If you are buying it I have lowered the price after listening to some people complained it was a bit too high. The price is not 50 now like people keep posting. Its around 35 for a data disk with matches and crowd footage and thats including shipping.

On top of this i have added to that the first 50 people to register get the extended dvd as well so they can play the top matches on their dvd player. As far as i see it people just keep wanting it cheaper and cheaper.

No matter how i see it if i sell it for 100 bucks or 20 bucks someone is going to rip it. And all you who are complaining right now arent going to buy the dvd regardless. No matter what you'll wait till it goes online because you don't want to support us in our efforts to produce this dvd. For those who support us they dont care about the price thats why they arent here byching about it. They will buy it if the dvd was 50 bucks.

I have set the prices and i have layed out the ground rules for this dvd. If you dont like it, dont buy it and dont post, save me the trouble. If you do want to buy it youll be satisfied with what you are getting. Otherwise i wouldnt spend my time encoding this and trying to make a great dvd for the buyers. After oc3 all i hear are the same complaints from the same people who never liked oc3 in the first place.

also dont try the lower the price crap on me then more people would buy it. The oc2 dvd cost 30 bucks for all the matches. Neadlt also created a message asking people not to post it online or rip it. The next day matches were up on you tube after some guy decided to rip it. Regardless of what happens the matches are going online, I know that for a fact. Because of this we lost tons of oc2 dvd sales.

Please go else where if you dont like how we are doing business.
As for big bold letters on the first page nobody cares. People just want the matches. So i dont know what you are talking about.
 

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If you like money Manacloud (and we all know you like money), lower the prices.

Lower prices = more demand = more profit.

All this controversey around this tournament makes me not even care about the matches that took place. If you're really only interested in people who attended and their interest, I'm sure you still have their information in a database somewhere where you can contact them without it being too much of a hassle.

Thief you may be. Businessman, you are not.
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I hope I never meet you irl mana. I'd have to **** you up on principle.
 

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I think you should keep up what you're doing mana. It's about time.

EDIT: But what the hell, my dad's a dentist.
 

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you remind me of the british. taking something that should be free to view and using it to make money off of.

you disgust me sir.
 

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Personally, I don't care about the quality, I just want to see the matches. Did players have to sign any sort of waiver that allows the organizers to profit from selling videos of their performances? If not couldn't players have a grievance that their matches are being sold for extravagant prices and they aren't being cut in on the profits? I agree that you should payed for your work, so obviously you're going to sell for a profit. This is not just selling for a profit, this is exploitation of a monopoly. I was sympathetic when people were fussing over the expenditures on the tournament, but this has made me rethink my view. I think since the profits/income from the tournament determine the payout to the winners, these sales should be calculated into the profits of the tournament. The winners and/or players featured should recieve a cut of the sales of these DVDs. I'm sure if that were the case, people would be more willing to buy. As for a question. Why do you charge for traning sessions by 70 minutes intervals and not 60? Just curious.
 

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ill answer this

Personally, I don't care about the quality, I just want to see the matches. Did players have to sign any sort of waiver that allows the organizers to profit from selling videos of their performances? If not couldn't players have a grievance that their matches are being sold for extravagant prices and they aren't being cut in on the profits? I agree that you should payed for your work, so obviously you're going to sell for a profit. This is not just selling for a profit, this is exploitation of a monopoly. I was sympathetic when people were fussing over the expenditures on the tournament, but this has made me rethink my view. I think since the profits/income from the tournament determine the payout to the winners, these sales should be calculated into the profits of the tournament. The winners and/or players featured should recieve a cut of the sales of these DVDs. I'm sure if that were the case, people would be more willing to buy. As for a question. Why do you charge for traning sessions by 70 minutes intervals and not 60? Just curious.
if you are led to believe that we profited at all towards oc3 you are already wrong and have heard just rumors created by those who didnt go to oc3. If you want facts you can ask arash, he has receipts plus he has posted an entire page on where everything was spent. And as i have mentioned beforehand. People who attended oc3 signed forms. Just because they play doesnt mean they get shares of profits from what the host does with the matches. We arent the first to profit off dvds or matches. Mlg, TG4, and Evo profit off their matches without compensation to the players.

Normally we would not even release a dvd. And let the smash matches die at the tournament meaning the only way to see mew2king vs ken is if you went. This is how oc worked since oc1. Instead we are nice enough to go out of our way to produce this dvd for people. Now as for profit, yes , this dvd is for profit, we didnt gain anything from holding oc3, and this is our way of gaining something for our trouble.

Wait but didnt you make money off oc3 and now are ripping us off? The answer is NO! Another assumption was we paid our members to keep their mouths shut. This is very wrong of people to accuse us of this. Our staff consisted of My family and arash , rickety, boss,kira, and aznlep. Aznlep ,kira,boss,and rickety do not lie about these things or arash. People also accused us of paying our helpers like justpha. They were with us the entire time holding this tournament. If you dont believe me still contact pc chris and ask him how justpha is as a person, or rickety, both smashers housed him. And since pc did win oc3, it is best you heard the truth from him since you wont believe me.

lastly you asked why do i train 70 minute sessions. I normally dont train people out of my crew. I was willing to help this guy out becasue i have met him at a tournament and the reason why its 70 minutes is 60 for techinical / mindgames/ tactical tips and 10 for playing against him so he can apply the moves he has learned.

As for the dvds, i know lots of people just want the matches, even on low quality. This year the oc3 dvd is probably the last time we are making dvds. If and im saying if and oc4 happens for brawl, im not going to go out of my way to make a dvd. People dont understand how busy most of us are. You arent us or are in our shoes. The idea for the oc3 dvd is simple:

2 disks . 1 disk contains data of matches people would normally not care about. You get crowd footage and some player faces like what people asked us. We did this this year.

the 2nd disk is optional , we arent forcing anyone to buy it. It will contain high quality matches viewable on a dvd player.

And all i get is complaints because prices are too high.
 

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So just so I'm clear on this:
Because I went to OC3, it will be $30 for the 1st dvd+shipping, and if I'm one of the first 50 to order then I get the 2nd dvd for free, or else it will be an extra $5 for the 2nd dvd?

Imo this is more than a decent price, especially considering the sheer quality of matches that occured that weekend. It should make for a great momento of oc3. Put me down for an order of both dvd's manacloud.

King Out
 

suuuper

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looks like you should also hate mlg for charging for vod.
mlgs price for vod (last year, when it wasn't free) was $20 for an entire year of access to not only three years of archived streams and individual matches, but live streams of events as well. of course, it was geared towards people who may have been interested in both halo and smash, which was my case, so it was easily worth the $20. even if i had no interest in competitive halo, the archived smash and live smash coverage was well worth the paper.

not to mention, for the second half of last year, you got a free t-shirt for subscribing to vod.



not even comparable, mate.
 

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im not comparing

mlgs price for vod (last year, when it wasn't free) was $20 for an entire year of access to not only three years of archived streams and individual matches, but live streams of events as well. of course, it was geared towards people who may have been interested in both halo and smash, which was my case, so it was easily worth the $20. even if i had no interest in competitive halo, the archived smash and live smash coverage was well worth the paper.

not to mention, for the second half of last year, you got a free t-shirt for subscribing to vod.



not even comparable, mate.
i told people to not compare us to mlg. Oc3 is not mlg or a business. When i mention mlg i mentioned that they are also charging for matches and not paying the players for them.

King - im glad you find this price fair because most are still arguing. Once i post a registration list you can register. Hope you are online =).
 

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So just so I'm clear on this:
Because I went to OC3, it will be $30 for the 1st dvd+shipping, and if I'm one of the first 50 to order then I get the 2nd dvd for free, or else it will be an extra $5 for the 2nd dvd?

Imo this is more than a decent price, especially considering the sheer quality of matches that occured that weekend. It should make for a great momento of oc3. Put me down for an order of both dvd's manacloud.

King Out
Decent for you since you can basically get it for half price. :[

Think about the majority of us who have to pay it all.
 

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I guarantee matches will not be put online.

is it be $20 tiem nao?
 

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Mana, thank you for listening. Seriously, I just gained a ton of respect for you. I know it's frustrating dealing with all the abuse (especially from people who simply flame instead of discuss with dignity), but you finally came through.

As for the final price, if you sold the DVDs for $20, I would probably buy them despite them going online. Seriously, having a DVD is far superior to watching them over the Internet (especially on my horrid connection). Do not make the mistake of assuming that every view on YouTube = one lost sale. The RIAA/MPAA made that mistake. Many people who view it online are people who would have never bought the DVDs in the first place. Have faith in your product because people will buy them for $20. :)

If you want news sources, I will provide them. Despite movies being pirated before they even come out in theaters, sales remain unaffected. Piracy is not as severe an issue as you think it is. Has anyone confessed to you their intentions to buy an 0C2 DVD? "I was going to buy it, but then I saw them all on YouTube, so I decided to pass on that."
 

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I agree with Buzz, you have been incredibly compliant. For what you and everyone else involved in this have done for the tournament scene and the general smash scene throughout the competitive existance of this game, this DVD is worth its price. You can put me down to buy both CDs, I did not attend Oc3.
 
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