Oasis Mafia - Over!

[UtopianPoyzin]

Boom’s continuous attempt at a suicide play to save up is scum boom saving scum Up, it’s scum Boom trying to look good when you mislycnh Up not the other townies.

It’s a setup for him to push your mislych next is what I’m betting. Likely alongside his teammate, someone with good reads by others( sab, or maybe jac or wisp)

This is scum boom making a sacrifice play to mislead town starting with Up’s lynch, hence why he’s so adamant on saving a slot out he knows nothing about like the ninja stuff yesterday and his posts on wisp being town since day one. At least that’s what I’m betting on based on his posts

You absolutely missed the point of what Boom is trying to do. He is not trying to blow up the game. He is looking at the possibility world where both Boom and I are town and we don't throw the game by mislynching in LyLo at 7. I believe we've moved past the sacrifice bit.

 

[Z25]

Boom: I have a token that I wanted to use.

So your trying to tell me that three tokens were handed out last night? Unless Wisp was lying of course. That’s a lot of power given out at night and I can’t see it.

 

[ranmaru]

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

 

[BoomFrog]

How does LG defending you clear him?

Without LG's support I could have been lynched D1. I'm much more dangerous then Ninja and LG knows it, so a team with him wouldn't have spared me.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

So your trying to tell me that three tokens were handed out last night? Unless Wisp was lying of course. That’s a lot of power given out at night and I can’t see it.

The possibility... of one of them... lying? Nay, impossible

 

[Z25]

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Let’s discuss this.

In what situation does it make sense Wisp not only gets a token, but also gets two of them why you get one? Don’t you find that odd? Now I’m no mathematician but usually items are handed out one per night or at an even number. In a small game why would 3 items be handed out?

 

[ranmaru]

BoomFrog : Why did you like Sabrar's #1940?

 

[BoomFrog]

No, I am still taking about a sacrifice play. But Z25 is suspicious that I'm faking it for credit. Which is a very reasonable concern. However, I know I got zero credit for Ninja. In fact I got negative credit somehow. So if UP gets lynched and flips town, then in know I'm still lynched next even after all this. So no, I don't expect credit.

 

[ranmaru]

Let’s discuss this.

In what situation does it make sense Wisp not only gets a token, but also gets two of them why you get one? Don’t you find that odd? Now I’m no mathematician but usually items are handed out one per night or at an even number. In a small game why would 3 items be handed out?

I'm going to decline discussion on this on the tail end of the day. Let's discuss this Day 3 when we mass claim.

 

[Sabrar]

Why have you not fought to keep me alive over UP?

Because the reasons Ranmaru, Jack and others brought up were fair, i.e. you might have a night-ability that you're desperate to use.

 

[BoomFrog]

BoomFrog : Why did you like Sabrar's #1940?

Because at that point I thought we were going in circles and UP was essentially claimed scum. I wanted people to lay down votes to see who would go for scum vs town.

 

[BoomFrog]

The possibility... of one of them... lying? Nay, impossible

Probably no one is lying about the tokens.

 

[Z25]

Because the reasons Ranmaru, Jack and others brought up were fair, i.e. you might have a night-ability that you're desperate to use.

Except the desperatness to use a night action was bought up in terms of ran not boom...

 

[BoomFrog]

Sabrar if I'm lunched today and I'm town, what do you think about a Ran, Pokechou, Z25 scum team?

 

[BoomFrog]

No, this token strife is real. That's not a team...

 

[Sabrar]

Except the desperatness to use a night action was bought up in terms of ran not boom...

I'm pretty sure you're wrong but I won't reread the last 20 pages just now. Probably during work.

 

[ranmaru]

Boom, why are you asking the question as if you were the major train right now? You aren't being lynched right now. It's UP.

 

[Sabrar]

Sabrar if I'm lunched today and I'm town, what do you think about a Ran, Pokechou, Z25 scum team?

WTF is this question? UP is scum.

 

[BoomFrog]

I'm going to try and sleep. So like, see you in an hour or so when I have an epiphany.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong but I won't reread the last 20 pages just now. Probably during work.

They are wrong. Pretty sure Z25 proposed that I wanted to use a night action and Ran agreed.

 

[ranmaru]

I think that was Jack.

 

[Jackrito]

Yeah that was

 

[BoomFrog]

Boom, why are you asking the question as if you were the major train right now? You aren't being lynched right now. It's UP.

Says you. I'll get lynched if I want to.

For real, if UP is town this is the best play. I don't have time to reread him before sleep. I'll have to decide tomorrow.

 

[Jackrito]

I'm going to sleep on it and maybe I change my mind

 

[Z25]

I'm going to try and sleep. So like, see you in an hour or so when I have an epiphany.

They are wrong. Pretty sure Z25 proposed that I wanted to use a night action and Ran agreed.

i must have missed that, my theory is this is just a mislynch train set by you as you already commented on

 

[ranmaru]

Yes, me too. Have a good night.

 

[Z25]

I’m also heading it but I’m staying where I am for now, I still think it’s best, and would like ran to be open to changing but if they don’t that’s fine.

 

[BoomFrog]

Because the reasons Ranmaru, Jack and others brought up were fair, i.e. you might have a night-ability that you're desperate to use.

That's a bull**** answer. You think my interaction with UP has been bussing from D1? You think UP floundered so bad while having me as a coach? No way you seriously think I'm buddies with UP.

 

[Sabrar]

You think my interaction with UP has been bussing from D1?

You only started going for UP after there already was a case on him. Also, Ninja was always a good mislynch option if it came to that. Yeah, you could have definitely bussed UP there,

You think UP floundered so bad while having me as a coach?

Effectiveness of coaching depends on two people.

 

[ranmaru]

Sabrar What do you make of Boomfrog's #2107? (Going to sleep for real, just wanted your opinion on this)

 

[Sabrar]

Sabrar What do you make of Boomfrog's #2107? (Going to sleep for real, just wanted your opinion on this)

I can understand the motivation coming from town!Boom but some of its points are pretty wrong imo.

If I decide you are town and declare all my reads then get lynched, I'll flip and be confirmed post mortem. That should earn you enough trust to carry the torch.

That last part is widely incorrect and Boom should be well aware of it. Boom should know by now that a single player's opinion won't have too much influence when they are no longer alive to defend it.

Ranmaru is certainly scum in this world. They have been 100% wrong in every push so far. Here comes the worst part of Mafia, the quantum insult: In thought Ranmaru was just over confident and bad at logical deduction. But if he is actually Mafia everything makes far too much sense.

No. Boom knows Ranmaru's playstyle and how he was wrong many times in Crossover. This is not evidence of Ran's scumminess and Boom is lacking any other points to build a case on, especially after he already declared Ran to be town based on tone.

 

[LaserGuy]

Wow, what a mess.

My first thought is that I'm not a huge fan of either of these wagons at the moment. Of the two, I think it's more likely that UP is still mafia, but his recent posting has looked notably better and his tone feels much more natural. BoomFrog... I don't think see how this plan where BoomFrog is basically offering to get lynched in place of UP really makes a lot of sense if he is mafia, other than possibly as a really desperate gambit to try to scrape together enough townie credit to avoid the lynch... but I don't know that Boom would have felt the need to go there rather than just try to tip the scale a little bit by pushing against UP. I don't see it likely that these two are buddies at all. IMHO it's more likely that these are both Town wagons than both scum.

I think if we desperately need to break the tension and resolve this situation, IMHO the best play is to lynch UP. I'll support that lynch if that's where we are looking at deadline.

That said, I think it's probably in our best interests to take a serious look at someone outside these two. I'm not really going to try to make a case here... I've just got a couple of small pings that probably don't amount to much, but it's enough to make me think maybe I've been reading him wrong. This feels right to me:

##Sabrar

 

[Wiisp]

Lasor where is the team if UP/Boom/You are all town

Sabrar/Pikechu/ZDS?

 

[Wiisp]

## Sabrar
Ya I thought about it, and I am over this

 

[Wiisp]

##Sabrar
ill be on later

 

[Wiisp]

ill try to get some thoughts out tonight

 

[Wiisp]

Wait derp I can't Lynch sabrar for reasons
##Boom
Woops

 

[Wiisp]

Hmm maybe I should claim to clear things up after making a statement like that

 

[Sabrar]

Maybe you should

 

[Wiisp]

Sabrar
I take the kill for you, and you take the kill for me

 

[BoomFrog]

You only started going for UP after there already was a case on him. Also, Ninja was always a good mislynch option if it came to that. Yeah, you could have definitely bussed UP there,

Your case on UP D1 had no traction. Even with my help D2 we got no traction with others. There were infinite opportunities to not stay strong and hard on the UP train. And you know it. You know I'm better then that.

##Sabrar