Nova Scotia Thread

[Spaceman_Spiff]

I understand that the community in Nova Scotia is mostly concerned with brawl, and I have no doubt that the community has a greater demand for a tournament featuring brawl singles and doubles than one featuring melee. Having said that, I HIGHLY DOUBT bumping melee for some of the proposed events is what the group wants.

Singles pools and bracket, doubles bracket, low tier, redemption bracket, and a side event featuring an expanded stage list.

Seriously, all of these rank above melee?

 

[Lythium]

Yeah, I was also kinda surprised and disappointed at the lack of Melee.

 

[zhao_guang]

I understand that the community in Nova Scotia is mostly concerned with brawl, and I have no doubt that the community has a greater demand for a tournament featuring brawl singles and doubles than one featuring melee. Having said that, I HIGHLY DOUBT bumping melee for some of the proposed events is what the group wants.

Singles pools and bracket, doubles bracket, low tier, redemption bracket, and a side event featuring an expanded stage list.

Seriously, all of these rank above melee?

Well the argument was that only 5-6 people take Melee seriously and because the rest just d1cked around with it, there was no point to always have it as a side event.

I don't agree with the decision at all, but that's also why I'm not in charge.

I've heard that Melee will be at all the HellaSmashed events though, and like Jordan said, it'll be at tournaments from time to time, just not everytime.

I wish people took Melee more seriously hahaha

 

[Raziek]

Colin basically covered it.

There are really only a few people who actually take it seriously.

And has been stated already, it will be at some of the tournaments (HellaSmashed V for sure), just not all of them. You are welcomed and encouraged to set up a station for money matches, but we don't see a tournament for it as an effective use of resources and time.

Please, by all means, voice your concerns. If enough people are saying "OMGWEWANTMELEE", it's possible we may be inclined to reconsider, but as of right now, all four TOs are currently in agreement on this.

I can name the amount of people that actually SERIOUSLY care about melee on one hand. (maybe 2)

 

[Spaceman_Spiff]

As opposed to the massive demand for a tournament on custom stages, no doubt.

 

[Raziek]

AND Low tier.

I don't have any other means to test this **** out in tournament anymore.

Please try not to be so salty about it. Complaints are understandable, but people have been asking for low tier for a while, and melee will STILL be played every few tournaments.

I'm trying to make as many provisions for the melee players as possible, but you don't help your case by slamming some of the new things we're trying out.

 

[Spaceman_Spiff]

I'm not slamming the events, don't try to make me a bad guy here. I don't think for one second you're "slamming" melee by not including it. I do think you're doing a poor job representing the desire of the community.

You claim there isn't the demand for melee, but at the last tourney melee generated fun and interest and even had some pretty hype moments, like Justin beating Parker unexpectedly. If this is your argument, then the events you are including should have greater demand for them than melee does.

I know you have a great interest in an expanded stage list Raziek, and I cant help but feel that you're using the community as a personal lab to conduct brawl experiments. Is that what the community wants or what YOU want?

 

[Raziek]

"As opposed to the massive demand for a tournament on custom stages, no doubt."

Sounds like slamming it to me.

I also didn't say there was no demand for melee. I said that very few people actually take melee SERIOUSLY. (Colin, Nick, Parker, You, 2112 and MAYBE one or two others?) ALL TOs agree, not just me, that other side events are something interesting we can try out. Is it fun? Yeah, for sure. Would most of our players participate if we held another melee tourney? Probably. Do we think other things are worth trying out? Yeah, we do.

Following this tourney, which is already set for Low Tier and my side event, we will be polling the community for what they want to see as side events in the future. The choices will include Brawl Minus, Duelist, Low Tier, Mid Tier, Melee, and any other suggestions people come to me with. If the community wants melee after this, then they will get melee.

On my "using the community as a lab"....

In this case, for the side event that I am holding in ADDITION to low tiers, yes. I am, if you want to call it that.

I intend to provide an experience that has as much depth as possible. If this means that Custom stages and several borderline-banned stages become feasible, that is a WORTHY cause to put some work into.

I'm sure not ALL of the community wants to try it out, but this is the best I can test with, given the circumstances. Attempting to get decent data at the ranbats would basically be Matt, Parker, Craysyn and I, playing each other on these stages in friendlies.

Too many regions are unwilling to experiment and try to expand the limits of how far we can push the game, so I feel somewhat obligated to test out these causes that I believe are worthy of exploration.

Is it a bit selfish? Maybe so, but I'm only human.

 

[billybeegood]

Omgwewantmelee
EDIT: also, I'd like to see how many people take low tiers SERIOUSLY

 

[Raziek]

You have a fair point, Parker, but we won't know until we try now, will we?

That's the whole point of this.

We want to see if we can offer other desired alternatives in a rotation, instead of the same thing every time.

 

[zhao_guang]

you're not shoving people out if you dont do low tier. you are shoving people out if you dont melee singles, even if its only a few people

 

[KillLock]

japan stage list


it's the best stage list

 

[Raziek]

Get outta here with that KillL0ck >_>

@Colin, Again, we're not trying to shove people out. How many times do I have to say, "Money matches and friendly station."?

There's like 6 of you who care, what's the problem with expediting the process and just letting you money match each other? It's a lot of wasted time to run an entire 32 man bracket when 80% of the players are doing it for the lulz.

 

[billybeegood]

"You have a fair point, Parker, but we won't know until we try now, will we?

That's the whole point of this."

So simply asking people isn't enough?

"We want to see if we can offer other desired alternatives in a rotation, instead of the same thing every time."

who are we pleasing with these desired alternatives in a competitive tournament, You!?

EDIT:"There's like 6 of you who care, what's the problem with expediting the process and just letting you money match each other? It's a lot of wasted time to run an entire 32 man bracket when 80% of the players are doing it for the lulz."

low tiers draw in a huge competitive crowd, no lie. and the best thing about low tiers is that if you lose it's a big deal! even if you're in it "competitively" it's all serious buisness
/endsarcasm

 

[Raziek]

*sigh*

At least a few people HAVE expressed interest in doing low tiers. Enough to warrant TRYING IT.

People HAVE asked for Minus, and people HAVE asked for Duelist. We aren't just picking random **** out of nowhere.

You guys act like melee is gone forever.

GUESS WHAT, IT ISN'T. IN FACT, IF YOU WANT TO, You could even hold your own Round Robin tournament AT the tournament!

You guys are acting like we've banished melee from the scene.

WE HAVEN'T.

 

[Lythium]

I just don't see why you guys didn't include Melee in the first place.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[billybeegood]

1 garenteed melee tournament a year = lack on interest and people quitting, take it from our standpoint. imagine not having brawl for a year, or having internet,

and your right, low tiers are worth trying. but who's bright Idea was in NOT to hold one at a weekly (doubt it was you though) never the less if there was enough people to warrent trying it then there would have been more of an arguement for having it at the weeklies.
It's a shame really, trying so hard to test things but replacing what really counts

EDIT:"I just don't see why you guys didn't include Melee in the first place."

To keep people interested in brawl LMAO

 

[Raziek]

Lyth: Because we don't have time to do everything?

Parker: One GUARANTEED, that's not to say that there won't be more! What don't you guys get about this?

If the community votes for melee for future events, they can HAVE IT.

Testing most things at biweeklies is NOT comparable to tournament settings, because there's like 4 players who CARE, that attend the biweeklies. You know that just as well as I do.

Trying out low tier at the biweeklies (when Ike was still low tier), would have been a ****-show for Craysyn, and not much more.

WHAT makes the TOURNAMENT so special? If you guys want to play melee competitively so bad, why is doing a round-robin tourney yourself, or money matching, or friendlies, NOT AN OPTION?

Why does it HAVE to be a large, time-consuming tournament?

 

[zhao_guang]

you could say the same for custom/banned stage tourny and low tiers.

 

[Raziek]

No, you can't.

Friendlies and money matching does not provide enough data to make a judgment on custom stages. Why? Because the player sample size is TINY, and you have almost no variation in terms of characters being used to evaluate the stage.

Low tier you have more of a valid point, but again, how many people are going to money match low tiers? Likely none. Low tier tournaments are the only way to REALLY get any organized competition for low tiers.

 

[billybeegood]

If the community votes for melee for future events, they can HAVE IT.

it's too bad this tournament is wrought with dictatorship, else we'd be having our melee
there is passion to have melee
there is none for low tiers
POINT VALID GET OVER IT

 

[Raziek]

You've got 4 people.

You've been told multiple times that you CAN do round robin, you CAN money match, you CAN do friendlies all you want.

If you're just going to stir **** up when we've already decided we want to give some of this stuff a try, I'm done arguing about this.

What exactly is the problem with a Swiss tournament between the 4-7 of you who care? Can you answer that?

 

[billybeegood]

^^^ is like saying women are human beings but aren't allowed to vote

 

[Raziek]

Answer the question, or stop.

 

[zhao_guang]

jordan whats wrong with not doing ranbats one week and trying out the custom/banned stuff there? it might not be as accurate but it's not like people are gonna be drop dead serious over this side tourny

 

[billybeegood]

very well. I'll answer it with a question, do minorities have the same priority as majorities even if their veiws are different.

Honestly I can see how you're going about this, but I wish to come up with an alternative to saying "**** melee"

This could work, after the brackets are done. make it an option to either sign up for low tier OR melee, to limit confusion and frustration when organizing matches. you still get a solid low tier outcome, and we get a solid time frame to plan a tourney

 

[Raziek]

Like I said, it would be about 4 people actually taking it seriously. That's not enough data, and if I wanted to actually try implementing any of those things in tournament, I'm sure someone would go, "BAWWWW, it hasn't been tested enough."

Even if not everyone is taking it 100% seriously at this tournament, it's still a VASTLY larger amount of data. It also allows me to see how feasible using custom stages in a tournament setting actually IS, since I have to make sure each Wii gets all the stages necessary.

@Parker, I still don't see what the problem of you running a Swiss tourney on your own, ALONGSIDE the other events? You could run it gradually over the course of the day, and it wouldn't have to interfere with anything else.

In case you're not familiar with how that works, everyone plays a full set against everyone else in the tournament, and the person with the best record at the end is the winner. It's basically a round robin tournament.

 

[zhao_guang]

it's more data, but it's still skewed. there would need to be more incentive to make people realize that this a big deal

your data wont be very accurate otherwise.

 

[Raziek]

So then if that's the case, it becomes a matter of upping the entry fee in either case, which means the larger sample size is STILL more important.

 

[zhao_guang]

sad thing is, people probably wont enter then because the idea of custom banned stages is silly

 

[KillLock]

for melee do...

no items

final destination

fox only

 

[zhao_guang]

for melee do...

no items

final destination

fox only

how many stocks???

 

[KillLock]

ten

10

onezero!


like a boss

 

[Raziek]

sad thing is, people probably wont enter then because the idea of custom banned stages is silly

Now you understand my dilemma!

I can't get accurate data if the entry fee is too high, but people won't take it seriously if it's too low.

----IMPORTANT----

I've discussed it with Parker, and here's what we've agreed on.

Here's how it's gonna be.

AS I SAID BEFORE, Melee will have the same two stations that it had last time, off to the side. You guys are free to do WHATEVER you want, as long as it doesn't hold up the other events.

What PARKER will be running, is a Swiss tournament (Entry Fee: $5) for those of you who wish to enter, then the top 4 from the Swiss tournament will be seeded into a 4-man SINGLE elimination bracket (Sets are 3/5) so you guys can still have that "Finals" feel. (This is Parker's idea, not mine)

The only stipulations with this: The matches from the Swiss tournament are NOT to interfere with the rest of the events. If you are called for a Brawl match, you are expected to finish your melee GAME, pause your melee SET, play your Brawl match, then resume your set.

I will be appending this note to the threads on SWF and AiB.

If there are any other objections, please say so.

I want you guys to still be able to do your stuff competitively, but we also want to try new things. This is the best I can give you. You'll have the two TVs to yourself the entire day.

 

[zhao_guang]

i understood all along, which is why i debated even doing it

good stuff you guys, solid compromise!

 

[Spaceman_Spiff]

Yeah, seriously, that's awesome. Thanks Parker and Jordan.

 

[Raziek]

That's what I was saying the whole time, but apparently, "You can do whatever you want." wasn't clear enough.

T_T

At least we got it figured out. I hate being under fire like that. Friggin' Kailin's just AWOL and I gotta handle all this **** myself. X_X

 

[Croi]

Is this where I say "omgwewantmelee"?

 

[zhao_guang]

croi you should play melee and main roy

only because then your name and your main would rhyme

cuzz

 

[billybeegood]

croi you should play melee and main roy

only because then your name and your main would rhyme

cuzz

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