No Fast Fall on Dair

[HADOOKEN]

I wasnt going to post this at first, but i've been wondering this for the last couple of days.

so the other day i was thinking, "man it would be nice if i could wait for the right time during a jump to spike with out having to worry about a SD from fast falling during it." and sure enough, i was screwing around and i realized that if you hold down after the upward momentum of ur jump, NOT after the "peak" of the jump, u can use your c stick to spike( or just A) and you wont fast fall (its like melee, yaaay).

this is cool cus u can fall to the near bottom of the screen, spike and still recover if u saved ur dbl jump,

I really wanted to know: Who already uses this? is it worth it, or does it just mess up ur game?

 

[Pierce7d]

Are you basically telling us you can spike with a rising Dair . . . because we know that . . . or am I misunderstanding you?

 

[HADOOKEN]

sry, i've been at school since yester day... (midterms) and my brain sucks right now.... i mean:

you jump or SH and hold down right after, but it doesnt "activate" fast fall, so u can just float around, and spike whenever and u wont fast fall like u usually would cause ur already holding down, so it doesnt read. then u can just dbl jump or dolphin slash to safty.

i was just wondering if anyone has already worked this into their game, and if yes, what times do u use it

 

[Phoenix~Lament]

Sounds useful, but painfully obvious.

Then again, I haven't thought of it yet, so props tyou.

 

[Pierce7d]

Oh, I feel what you're saying now. Hold down as you SH, so when you Dair, you're already holding down, and you won't FF just from pressing A. I don't usually have a use for this, because I usually use a rising Dair. If my opponent is below, I usually stage spike anyway.

It might help my Falco though.

 

[Nibbity]

is this a really effective technique for samus's dair in a way? it's more floaty than Marth's.

 

[wazgood]

you can also hold down in the middle of a >B so you dont have to waste a jump

 

[IDK]

i was just playing with it and you can actually hold down in the middle of almost anything. even counter... >b... etc... nib: samus' dair is floaty enough. i wouldn't be surprised if this sent her up. note: be careful if you jump off the stage and hold down that you don't do a fair, bair, or uair, because you WILL fastfall unless you take your thumb off down. if you do THAT... don't do a dair. all of this is probably known though.

 

[Marteh]

Nice find, although I have yet to try it. Still, should help me instead of hoping to use a footstool as a meteor smash.

 

[IDK]

^^^^ footstool spikes are still useful. and so are double jump> spikes. this is just an addition to the arsenal.

 

[meepxzero]

lol this is mad useful. I use to use my second jump so i wouldnt fast fall.

 

[ContageMK]

This will make Marth even deadlier. Spike without SD ftw.

 

[Jibbles]

Lol I've discovered this ages ago, but good job though. It won't really make Marth any deadlier, since you can set the C-Stick to attack and get a nonfastfalled Dair after completing your jump while maintaining aerial control.

 

[DarkRunner00]

^^^^ footstool spikes are still useful. and so are double jump> spikes. this is just an addition to the arsenal.

no. they are unsafe and too situational... Marth has to be so close to even achieve a footstool...

moreso, marth has weak vertical defence... Dair is blows and can't prioritize defensive leaving Marth unable to fight an opponent who is below him...

It's cool... and spacing and DIing correctly will lead to a spike... but spikes are escapable at low percentages... and risking yourself for failure isn't smart...

Rising Dair utilizing it's backside... is probably the safest way....

... anyway

off stage dairing...

such as ledge drop -> rising dair (DI onto stage)...

lots of things... you can do it off stage and rising dair DI back on to the stage...

 

[IDK]

i didnt say they werent situational. if you do it in the right SITUATION, it is useful. i know this is old, but drago>redemption/determination. he uses footstool spikes sometimes. front spike is good too if you know how to hit it all the time. just practice it.

 

[ContageMK]

Just tested it and it works beautifully, not many people would expect a spike from below the stage, making it all the better to be unpredictable.

 

[Megavitamins]

I knew about this, the problem with this IMO is you're forced to dair at a certain time if you don't want to fast fall, so the chance of it actually sweet spotting isnt very high...

 

[HADOOKEN]

got some practice with it, and now that i know just how low i can get and still be able to recover, snake never gets back to the ledge!

this is shocking my friends because even they're used to marth FFing after a late spike, some of them even warned me when i was going for it, then theyre like wtf,... u didnt fall.

and to clear up any misconceptions: in melee, if you uses c-stick you wouldnt fast fall no matter what part of ur jump u do it.

in brawl, if your past the "up" part of your jump, and then use c-stick to Dair, u will fast fall.

 

[Jibbles]

in brawl, if your past the "up" part of your jump, and then use c-stick to Dair, u will fast fall.

According to the C-Stick compendium, setting the C-Stick setting to Attack will not fastfall your Dair even if its used after completing your jump. It still fastfalls on the standard smash setting, though

 

[HADOOKEN]

i might have to do that, although i like the idea of keeping the controls default...

nice avatar!

 

[IDK]

mega: the spike isn't supposed to be on chance. if you practice enough, you can tip it whenever you want to. it's not a matter of chance.

 

[DarkRunner00]

According to the C-Stick compendium, setting the C-Stick setting to Attack will not fastfall your Dair even if its used after completing your jump. It still fastfalls on the standard smash setting, though

but you should also be weary of the fact it lands with you're landing and junk...

say for instance double tap c-stick down and to a certain timing it'll short hop you...

there's a bunch of funky mechanics...

plus the fact that a quick smash can't be utilized makes me feel naked...

ftilt is not a good enough attack to replace an Fmash... and really ftilt is easier to use...
...



anyway... timing the dair before c-stick down... you can time your jumps and work with it...
i dunno...

 

[TLMarth]

Isn't it better to just gently press down while spiking, instead of breaking your joystick off?

 

[Keoki]

yeah i knew about this before. really helpful in making me not SD. also, jsut another way to not fastfall (you probably already know): lightly tap down, same way as if you were going to utilt. lol. you dont have to jump first or anthing so helpful if you forgot to hold down after your jump

 

[AdmiralComrade]

^ well its just whateva method u feel comfortable with.

i might try this and ill see how it goes

 

[Hype]

this should be in tactical discussion.

 

[Lex Crunch]

I thought everyone knew about this. I figured it out in the first month. It's applicable to any character and indeed should be in the tactical discussion.

 

[HADOOKEN]

this should be in tactical discussion.

ppl like u suck up smash boards


and lex