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[Deleted member]

I share your disdain, but come on.

Say more than that.

I'm assuming we're talking about that kind of pervert and not a Covert Pervert(where it's something usually kept to themselves) or a Chivalrous Pervert(where the character is just a respectable amount of thirsty).

And quite frankly, I don't think they work, at least as part of The Good Guys™. Anime love to downplay these characters' actions but it's explicit sexual harassment.
I see Master Roshi being mentioned and, while I can't say much about him, it reminds me a lot of Jiraya from Naruto, who was introduced as a Dirty Old Man but got significantly better when that part of his got dropped after, like, one arc.

And of course, I couldn't forget the big ass elephant in the room, we all know who he is so I don't think I need to name mr. sticky black balls. It's been nearly 200 chapters and he hasn't shown any hints of getting better(im fact, he's gotten worse after the whole thing with Eri). It's a mystery how he hasn't been actually reprimanded for his behaviour despite being on a Hero school and his whole character is the one gross and problematic flaw in all of the series.


As for villains, yeah, it can work, but it can very easily fall to the extremes of Edgy vs. Humourous scale.
And let's not forget most of these generally have homosexual subtext which brings a lot of unfortunate implications.

Just catch a Mareep, like everyone else, geez.

I've caught a Mareep at least twice in every game I've played besides SM, you'd have to pay me to use one for the 5618th time.

 

[Deleted member]

No game, I don't need another Light Core!

This is stuff like that that make me wish we could be able to do trade with other players, atleast in Tiger! Tiger!.

Speaking of which, can you create the Master Mods once you unlocked them by finishing the level 5 of Tiger! Tiger! with Poppiswap or not?

 

[Starlight_Lily]

So folks.

What do you think about pervert characters?

Can they work? If so, how?

Best pervert character is Brock from the Pokemon anime, because he always asks for consent.

You can't catch Mareep in Crystal.

Its one of the biggest flaws in the game, IMO.

So yeah...

TOSSING SMOKE GRENADE

I would never treat my cyndaquil like that. Also you could always use a rock type instead.

I just scratched both of his pokemon twice and won.

Wow, was Falkner always that pathetic?

 

[praline]

Best pervert character is Brock from the Pokemon anime, because he always asks for consent.



I would never treat my cyndaquil like that. Also you could always use a rock type instead.



Wow, was Falkner always that pathetic?

His pokemon are level 7 and 9.

How he has a level 9 pidgeotto I’ll never know...

 

[Metal Shop X]

Speaking of which, can you create the Master Mods once you unlocked them by finishing the level 5 of Tiger! Tiger! with Poppiswap or not?

Nope, you can't. 'just checked to be 100% sure.

Even if you have the Master Mods, you can't craft them, you just have to keep praying to the Architect.

 

[Wario Bros.]

I wish Splatoon 2 v3.0 would come already

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

So folks.

What do you think about pervert characters?

Can they work? If so, how?

Does Niles count- who am I kidding, he counts and I love that fool

 

[Deleted member]

No.
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Jiraya.

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[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Jiraya.

//Topic

Dont forget his partner in crime, Kakashi

 

[Starlight_Lily]

I'm assuming we're talking about that kind of pervert and not a Covert Pervert(where it's something usually kept to themselves) or a Chivalrous Pervert(where the character is just a respectable amount of thirsty).

And quite frankly, I don't think they work, at least as part of The Good Guys™. Anime love to downplay these characters' actions but it's explicit sexual harassment.
I see Master Roshi being mentioned and, while I can't say much about him, it reminds me a lot of Jiraya from Naruto, who was introduced as a Dirty Old Man but got significantly better when that part of his got dropped after, like, one arc.

And of course, I couldn't forget the big *** elephant in the room, we all know who he is so I don't think I need to name mr. sticky black balls. It's been nearly 200 chapters and he hasn't shown any hints of getting better(im fact, he's gotten worse after the whole thing with Eri). It's a mystery how he hasn't been actually reprimanded for his behaviour despite being on a Hero school and his whole character is the one gross and problematic flaw in all of the series.


As for villains, yeah, it can work, but it can very easily fall to the extremes of Edgy vs. Humourous scale.
And let's not forget most of these generally have homosexual subtext which brings a lot of unfortunate implications.

Mineta got some character development in the Exam arc, he's kind of going down the right path, of being a hero, but he's not there yet, cause he still hasn't realised the real reason heroes are cool. Which is that their cool cause they save people.

I've caught a Mareep at least twice in every game I've played besides SM, you'd have to pay me to use one for the 5618th time.

I say do it again, cause Mareep is always good to use.

His pokemon are level 7 and 9.

How he has a level 9 pidgeotto I’ll never know...

Well, he's worse then Brock.

Also another good pervert character Swamp is Sain from FE7, cause he ALWAYS asks for consent, and never goes for married women.

 

[Aurane]

Current Progression:

-Bellsprout holds Miracle Seed
-Caught a bunch of Pokémon, put most of them in the PC
-traveled through Union Cave
-defeated Team Rocket at the Well
-caught Slowpoke (added to team)
-hard-grind the team
-Togepi hatched
-defeated Bugsy

Quilava: Lvl 16
Slowpoke: Lvl 14
Bellsprout: Lvl 18
Hoothoot: Lvl 16

 

[Blargg888]

His pokemon are level 7 and 9.

How he has a level 9 pidgeotto I’ll never know...

It's possible to catch level 19 Gyarados and Level 3 Salamence in Pokemon S/M, so maybe his Pidgeotto was bred in Alola.

Or something, I dunno.

 

[Deleted member]

Pervert characters only work if they're something like Quagmire from Family Guy or in a show like that where you can also point out they're a horrible person.

He knows he's a ****ed up person and we've even seen him call others out for being equally as ****ed up as he is.

Quagmire is a terrible example of it being done right and that clip certainly doesn't help when he's being a complete hypocrite on it. Recognizing he's a pervert doesn't change anything when he doesn't do anything about it, it just means he knows he's a ****ty person and won't do anything to stop being a ****ty person.
Hell, Quagmire himself has hit on Lois numerous times and yet that's the first thing he tries to call out Brian on.

Jiraya.

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As I said on my previous post, Jiraya quickly dropped that part of his character. After the Search for Tsunade arc, I can't recall a single moment(in the manga) where he acts like a pervert.

Mineta got some character development in the Exam arc, he's kind of going down the right path, of being a hero, but he's not there yet, cause he still hasn't realised the real reason heroes are cool. Which is that their cool cause they save people.

He really hasn't, the whole "I want to be a hero so girls like me" falls apart on itself whem he harasses every girl he meets. Just look at Ep2 of season 3, he has learned NOTHING.
And in the manga, nearly 100 chapters later? There's this

Also another good pervert character Swamp is Sain from FE7, cause he ALWAYS asks for consent, and never goes for married women.

Sain falls in the Chivalrous Pervert trope which, isn't really a pervert in the sense I believe we're talking about.

 

[Metal Shop X]

I wish Splatoon 2 v3.0 would come already

I feel your pain bro.

Not so much for the Splatoon update - since I don't play Splatoon - but for the fact I wish we could be May already.

The wait is killing me.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Do we count flirty as perv? Cause I'll write something up then

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Krieger and Cheryl on Archer are also good examples of the pervert trope and what I was trying to say with Quagmire.

They're played for perverts in comedy because the show doesn't reward them or acknowledge them as good sources of humanity.

Family Guy and Archer basically say ''Look at these assholes. Laugh at them." And that's legit the only way a pervert character works. They're not rewarded for their problematic nature and the whole joke is laughing at them, not with them.

It's your fault if you take them as examples of perverts being told they're a good person.

 

[powerprotoman]

Do we count flirty as perv? Cause I'll write something up then

only if you consider holding hands perverse...speaking of which that reminds me of a jrp with star children

 

[Blargg888]

Do we count flirty as perv? Cause I'll write something up then

I personally wouldn't. Flirty is completely different.

A character like Inigo/Laslow is flirty, but I don't think I'd call him a perv.

Soleil on the other hand...

 

[Metal Shop X]

Why, game, why? Why do you give me another Master Ether Mod? I have already 5 of those.

Why, Architect, why? :C

 

[Deleted member]

Do we count flirty as perv? Cause I'll write something up then

Ah yes, that's the word I was looking for to describe Sain, thank you.

Krieger and Cheryl on Archer are also good examples of the pervert trope and what I was trying to say with Quagmire.

They're played for perverts in comedy because the show doesn't reward them or acknowledge them as good sources of humanity.

Family Guy and Archer basically say ''Look at these ********. Laugh at them." And that's legit the only way a pervert character works. They're not reward for their problematic nature and the whole joke is laughing at them, not with them.

It's your fault if you take them as examples of perverts being told they're a good person.

The particular scene you shared clearly meant to have Quagmire "in the right".
But see, that's the problem with using FG as an example, it doesn't have any good ones for anything.

 

[vaanrose]

Roshi's whole shtick is being a subversion on the standard "Sennin" archetype. Usually these characters only reach such an enlightened state because they give up all worldly desires and undergo intense meditation. Master Roshi, meanwhile, is just some dude who sits in his house and watches TV, who is even more lecherous than the average person. He's the complete opposite of that character type. It's a bit one-note, but it's a good joke.

 

[Blargg888]

So folks.

What do you think about pervert characters?

Can they work? If so, how?

To clarify, when you say "Can they work?" do you mean "Can they be good characters?" or "Can they be good people?"
Because there's a pretty big difference between the two.

 

[redfeatherraven]

so did the rose covered feathered tick kill the tower?

It did not.

It caught two dwarves solo outside, walked in the entrance, booped Uni (snoot was not prepared), and then made the terrible life choice of wandering down into the mess hall where literally the entire population of the fort had gathered.

It was at the point that it got dogpiled by twenty dwarves at once that it realized it had ****ed up.

One dude has some permanent nerve damage from its breath, and his grip's a bit impaired. Meanwhile, Tick Titans Go is about 250 stacks of meat in my larder. Fair trade.

If I am too late, then I'll just keep chopping wood into the afterlife.

Can I get in on this?

Aight.

I'll jump you both in during the next migrant wave. Cure too.

So folks.

What do you think about pervert characters?

Can they work? If so, how?

I feel more solidarity than most.

I'd say if the perversion doesn't influence literally 100% of the character's actions it can work. They have to have additional motivations and depths.

Additionally, they need at least some boundaries. Leading into the tropes of it:

I'm assuming we're talking about that kind of pervert and not a Covert Pervert(where it's something usually kept to themselves) or a Chivalrous Pervert(where the character is just a respectable amount of thirsty).

Which leads into Cure as well -

Best pervert character is Brock from the Pokemon anime, because he always asks for consent.

Also another good pervert character Swamp is Sain from FE7, cause he ALWAYS asks for consent, and never goes for married women.

- as these two would be decent examples of Chivalrous Pervert, my usual preference on these kinds of characters.

Basically standard consent rules. Wanting to get some action is not an unforgivable crime, nor is being honest about it. The point is to not take it further than the other person wants to go, whether it's fictional characters involved or not.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Family Guy never rewards people for being hypocrites either. There are number of scenes where Quagmire also gets his just deserts. Every character on that show has moments like that. That just happened to be one of Brian's.

I mean Stewie isn't rewarded with anything but being the most popular character, but there's scene after scene of him picking out Lois's flaws, but himself is a monster. Possibly one of the worst individuals in Quahog and he's just a baby.

But that's the whole joke of Family Guy. There's not a citizen in Quahog who is a good person. They all do awful things. That's why show's title still works.

It's a subversion of the typical family sitcom where a family bands together through it all. Not so on Family Guy. It's a family of completely immoral people who constantly call out one another and never truly stick together when the going gets tough.

It's the same with Archer really. Everyone on that show is an asshole even though they save the world as detectives/spies, but at the end of the day they're all the worst people on the planet still.

 

[Yellowlord]

I was catching up on all the Dwarf Fortress stuff, redfeatherraven , and I'm shocked that the RNG is apparently hunting all of us down by throwing all the more dangerous monsters at us right from the start. I mean... that's what appears to have happened, anyways, but it's still quite surprising. Does the game end when one or more person survives?

 

[Blargg888]

RNG is apparently hunting all of us down by throwing all the more dangerous monsters at us right from the start.

RNG: Rabid Numbers Genocide.

Nobody is safe. In the end, RNG comes for us all.

 

[redfeatherraven]

I was catching up on all the Dwarf Fortress stuff, redfeatherraven , and I'm shocked that the RNG is apparently hunting all of us down by throwing all the more dangerous monsters at us right from the start. I mean... that's what appears to have happened, anyways, but it's still quite surprising.

It's a little more than I'm used to but I seem to be handling it well, provisions aside.

Does the game end when one or more person survives?

The game ends when the fortress dies.

There is no other end.

Death comes for everyone.

 

[Yellowlord]

It's a little more than I'm used to but I seem to be handling it well, provisions aside.


The game ends when the fortress dies.

There is no other end.

Death comes for everyone.

I'd say so, despite the crazy RNG at the start of all this.

Well... that's quite dark, isn't it? IS IT TIME TO HOLD DOWN THE FORT?

 

[praline]

Oh god... I forgot Whitney is in this game..

 

[Aurane]

Oh god... I forgot Whitney is in this game..

You're at Whitney?

 

[praline]

You're at Whitney?

Nah just remembered is all.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Can you do the slowpoke cheese in Gen 2?

AKA just spam curse against clefairy and then hit the miltank that has to deal with a +6 slowpoke. (Or any other pokemon that learns curse). Makes the fight a breeze. It's how I beat her the first time I played SoulSilver at least.

 

[Deleted member]

Can you do the slowpoke cheese in Gen 2?

AKA just spam curse against clefairy and then hit the miltank that has to deal with a +6 slowpoke. (Or any other pokemon that learns curse). Makes the fight a breeze. It's how I beat her the first time I played SoulSilver at least.

Reminds me of the time I spammed Calm Mind with my Slowbro against a Mewtwo who was, like, 20 levels higher and then he just one-shotted it and I was just like "oh"

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Oh god... I forgot Whitney is in this game..

*plays Ludicris*
"Roll out! Roll out! Roll out! Roll out!"

 

[praline]

*plays Ludicris*
"Roll out! Roll out! Roll out! Roll out!"

Nah girl it’s “move *****, get out the way!”

 

[Aurane]

Nah just remembered is all.

Well you got a couple options.

Like Zeb said, catch Slowpoke and spam Curse. That's what I do.

Trade for the Machop in Goldenrod.

Use a Geodude/Onix/Gastly.

SMOKE GRENADE (I know you chose Totodile but still)

Use a sacrifice that uses Growl or Charm and spam it as much as you can.

Whitney is annoying, but she's not actually that big of a strain once you know what she's packing.

 

[praline]

Well you got a couple options.

Like Zeb said, catch Slowpoke and spam Curse. That's what I do.

Trade for the Machop in Goldenrod.

Use a Geodude/Onix/Gastly.

SMOKE GRENADE (I know you chose Totodile but still)

Use a sacrifice that uses Growl or Charm and spam it as much as you can.

Whitney is annoying, but she's not actually that big of a strain once you know what she's packing.

I’ll probably catch an Onix since I think I’m at another cave.

 

[Deleted member]

Legendary Shiny?

LegendaryShiny? I have not heard that name in years.

ShinyLegendary is your average 14 year old who is in SmashBoards, but Legendary Shiny fought for his friends and was a solider in WW1 and WW2 and many more. Also one of the smartest people in the world.

LegendaryShiny in both WW1 and WW2 was always a solider of the Allied Powers.

In fact here is LegendaryShiny in WW1.

LegendaryShiny is so much better than ShinyLegendary.

 

[Deleted member]

LegendaryShiny? I have not heard that name in years.

ShinyLegendary is your average 14 year old who is in SmashBoards, but Legendary Shiny fought for his friends and was a solider in WW1 and WW2 and many more. Also one of the smartest people in the world.

LegendaryShiny in both WW1 and WW2 was always a solider of the Allied Powers.

In fact here is LegendaryShiny in WW1.


LegendaryShiny is so much better than ShinyLegendary.

This is the level of ****posting I try to reach. It radiates an aura so powerful that it killed me and revived me at the same time.

 

[Erureido]

So folks.

What do you think about pervert characters?

Can they work? If so, how?

I think they can work if their perverted/flirting tendencies are balanced with other quality traits and/or show a more serious nature to how they approach women.

Two of my favorite Fire Emblem characters are pervert characters that I believe exemplify this: those being Virion and Laslow/Inigo.

When Virion is first introduced, we see how much of a flirt he can be when he tries to propose to Sully on the spot. It makes him appear quite unlikable first to make such a move like that, but when we delve into his supports to learn more about his character, we learn that he is actually quite chivalrous with the way he treats women. If he sees someone else treating a woman in a way that he considers to be bad in his eyes, he will take appropriate action to help the woman from that man (and he has some high standards to how women should be treated). He also knows his limits when not to intrude on another woman's personal boundaries; this is best shown in his support with Olivia where he takes her to a different part of the room away from others because she is too shy to do a duet dance in front of others). Virion even becomes hurt when people tell him his flirtatious attitudes do not seem honorable. Combine that with those other aspects of his chivalrous nature towards women and you see he actually does care about a lot about women. We also learn far more aspects to his character like his backstories, his leadership, and his talents that show he is more than just someone who who likes women.

In Awakening, Inigo initially starts out as a rather shallow flirt who usually tends to flirt with women in ways than to be more intrusive than what Virion does. We learn that Inigo began flirting on the advice his mother Olivia, who advised he talk and give compliments to women so that he can overcome his crippling shyness. This nature evolved into the flirty attitude he has before long. However, in Fates, Inigo becomes a much more captivating character as Laslow. Although he still gets flirty at times (and even gets punished for it several times in Fates), this is balanced out with the maturity he has developed. Laslow has undying loyalty to Xander and is willing to fight until the bitter end for his sake, even if it results in his (Laslow's) own death. He also has developed a nice wisdom on life and is willing to give advice to those that need it. There's his A-support with Peri when he consoles her and helps her grow as an individual by helping her come to terms with her past by reflecting on his own life, his supports with Mozu when he tells her how he understands the feeling of losing everything to war, or his dialogue with Soleil in the paralogue where he tells her how smiles are a powerful way of communication against the enemy. Of the Awakening trio, I'd argue that Laslow is the one who developed the most of the three.

While not from Fire Emblem, another character who I really like that qualifies in the pervert trope is Kagura Mutsuki, one of my favorite BlazBlue characters. Being a pervert is one of his defining characteristics, evident in his attempts to get with Makoto or Noel. However, this is balanced out by the fact that he sees the many women he interacts with as people. He cares for their well-being and will take appropriate action when he sees women being threatened. Kagura also shows more to his character than just being a flirt. He seems to be aware of the relationship Ragna, Jin, and Noel have with each other and tries to help improve how they see each other, and he is also devoted to his cause with overthrowing the Imperator Izanami to replace her with the true heir Homura.