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[Idon]

Pirates of the Nintendo Games.

That joke probably sounded better in your head.

 

[Deleted member]

People say "fair alternative", but that isn't a catch-all for all reasons. People were pirating Virtual Console on Wii, 3DS, and Wii U.

 

[redfeatherraven]

That joke probably sounded better in your head.

I don't know, I kind of like the epithet.

People say "fair alternative", but that isn't a catch-all for all reasons. People were pirating Virtual Console on Wii, 3DS, and Wii U.

Fine. Pirates gonna pirate.

That justifies taking down ROMs with legal distribution methods elsewhere.

That still does not justify the rest.

 

[Deleted member]

Because EmuParadise has been in the thick of this **** for 18 years and has received multiple notices of the stripe.

Who do you think would've been next?

Maybe they shouldn't have been uploading games illegally then? Still doesn't change that Nintendo only got their first party removed.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm just so tired of people getting up on their high horses when the subject is piracy. Nintendo is a huge ass company, they won't even feel me pirating their games. People keep talking about how "evil" emulation is but I have yet to see a company lose anything out of it.

Are you gonna keep posting pretentious reaction images? You can argue without these pics, thank you.

Also, Nintendo did not shut down Emuparadise.

Emuparadise made their own decision after CoolRom, a site that was literally profiting off their games and had them playable on the website itself got sued justifiably so.

Nintendo about a year ago only removed first party from emuparadise, they didn't touch all the other ROMs.

So I ask, why is Nintendo the issue here?

Nintendo is the one who has been pressuring ROM sites for years, you can't tell me they have nothing to do with this.

Also, fine, you want me to give you a reason to pirate these games?

Spoiler

 

[redfeatherraven]

Maybe they shouldn't have been uploading games illegally then? Still doesn't change that Nintendo only got their first party removed.

Fine. Pirates gonna pirate.

That justifies taking down ROMs with legal distribution methods elsewhere.

That still does not justify the rest.

Anyway, don't really want to get too heated with you. Don't mind agreeing to disagree on this one.

Just marking where I stand is all.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

People say "fair alternative", but that isn't a catch-all for all reasons. People were pirating Virtual Console on Wii, 3DS, and Wii U.

That's probably true and I can't fight that as I have no statistics. What I mean is like... The original Shantae. Just look at the prices of physical copies. I'd pirate it without a doubt if it wasn't for the 3DS VC having the game as it's ridiculously rare otherwise. The fact it's 3 euros doesn't hurt either

 

[praline]

So how many characters do you think are left to reveal in Ultimate? That includes echoes.

 

[Opossum]

I'll forever stand by my opinion that the removal of the Virtual Console for the Switch was one of Nintendo's biggest mistakes. It was an incredibly stupid, tone deaf decision and only encourages pirating.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm just so tired of people getting up on their high horses when the subject is piracy. Nintendo is a huge *** company, they won't even feel me pirating their games. People keep talking about how "evil" emulation is but I have yet to see a company lose anything out of it.

Nintendo is the one who has been pressuring ROM sites for years, you can't tell me they have nothing to do with this.

Also, fine, you want me to give you a reason to pirate these games?

Spoiler

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So your logic is that you can do whatever you want to Nintendo as long as they don't "feel" the effects?

And I haven't ever mentioned anything "evil" about emulation here. On the contrary, I've said I don't really care about people who pirate, just don't condemn Nintendo for suing a ROM site that was profiting off their games.

And yes, they are allowed to "pressure" ROM sites, these places aren't some hollowed ground that are trying to do good and save gaming via preservation.

 

[praline]

... I guess I’ll come back later.

 

[Opossum]

I changed the thread title in light of this discussion.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

This argument helped me calm down cause tbh I literally couldn't stop shaking out of a panic attack which I can't remember having many of. Thanks everyone, I'm going to try and get some sleep now

 

[Chrono.]

So how many characters do you think are left to reveal in Ultimate? That includes echoes.

Around 7-9 including echoes.

Because, yes, they do count as characters.

 

[Sleepy_Icarus]

With Diablo III all but confirmed for Switch, I have been fueled more false hope for my dream port of Overwatch!

 

[redfeatherraven]

I'd pirate it without a doubt if it wasn't for the 3DS VC having the game

Heyyyy, lookit that.

Proof of concept.

So how many characters do you think are left to reveal in Ultimate? That includes echoes.

Eh.

Including echoes? I feel like...five. Five tops.

Depends a lot on how far they want to push echoes. A lot of the hardest moveset work is done with them pretty much from the word go, but they still have a bunch of assets to make, so I feel like there's either gotta be a lot of outside clamoring (Chrom, Dark Samus, maybe Daisy) or someone on the team's gotta love a character enough to pull it off (Richter). There's a real short list of echo characters left that might meet those criteria, and it goes an awful lot like Isabelle, Shadow, and possibly Dixie.

In terms of full fighters, I still feel like Geno has fair odds due to better Squeenix relations in light of Cloud and Mashpotato Nepotism. A Gen 7 might still show up as well. I'd want Shantae or Banjo and Kazooie, but my money's not on either.

But I really do expect a great deal more echoes than full fighters proportionally, and not many more of either.

I changed the thread title in light of this discussion.

i could hug you.

 

[Opossum]

With Diablo III all but confirmed for Switch, I have been fueled more false hope for my dream port of Overwatch!

Okay but


Reinhardt as Reinhardt.

 

[Deleted member]

This argument helped me calm down cause tbh I literally couldn't stop shaking out of a panic attack which I can't remember having many of. Thanks everyone, I'm going to try and get some sleep now

Good. Get some sleep.

I changed the thread title in light of this discussion.

Perfection. I am going to find the pirate treasure now.

 

[Androobie]

Here’s a wild idea that probably won’t work, what if people could submit ROMs to Nintendo for them to put into a Virtual Console through an implemented “Send ROM” feature?

 

[praline]

Around 7-9 including echoes.

Because, yes, they do count as characters.

Why do you think that many are left? I’m thinking we have 5 maybe 6... maybe.

 

[Knight Dude]

Run Saber's a game that hasn't been re-released since it came out either, hard as hell to find. Not to mention stuff like Maximum Carnage and Separation Anxiety also didn't get re-released either. Or the other Spider-Man and X-Men games of the SNES era, getting left behind even if some of them are pretty solid titles.

But I wouldn't really pirate a game if it's readily available in some form(as in most 2D Mario games, NES Mega Man games ect.). But others simply aren't. Some game also get fan translations. I don't play on emulators myself, but I understand why people do. No need to demonize them for it, especially in the case of games that actually become near impossible to find for a reasonable price.

 

[Deleted member]

I think what actually needs to be done is there needs to a website that's truly about preservation and not piracy. That focuses on the games that do need preservation. If a site focused on that, I think it'd go over well.

 

[Deleted member]

So your logic is that you can do whatever you want to Nintendo as long as they don't "feel" the effects?

And I haven't ever mentioned anything "evil" about emulation here. On the contrary, I've said I don't really care about people who pirate, just don't condemn Nintendo for suing a ROM site that was profiting off their games.

And yes, they are allowed to "pressure" ROM sites, these places aren't some hollowed ground that are trying to do good and save gaming via preservation.

They weren't profiting though? The ROMs were available for FREE. There aren't even ads! If Nintendo wants to take down sites profiting off ROMs, they should take down the ad-full sites that are all untrustworthy.

And morality=/=legality.
Every SNES(except SMW and Earthbound), PS2 and X360 game I ever played was a pirated game because there was never an accessible alternative. For the SNES, I can't play any of them legally because the Wii and Wii U VCs were never available in my country and physical versions of them are basically impossible to find and most unreleased, I couldn't play them legally even if I wanted to. And for the PS2 and X360, their price range simply was never accessible at all, games cost R$100+ here. Piracy is the only reason I have ever had the chance to play 90% of the games I did in my whole life.
You're condemning me if you say Nintendo is justified by shutting down one of the only ways I can have access to these games.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I'm just so tired of people getting up on their high horses when the subject is piracy. Nintendo is a huge *** company, they won't even feel me pirating their games. People keep talking about how "evil" emulation is but I have yet to see a company lose anything out of it.

Nintendo is the one who has been pressuring ROM sites for years, you can't tell me they have nothing to do with this

I dont care if you pirate as long as its not a recent game that just came out, then you are an asshole at that point

 

[redfeatherraven]

I think what actually needs to be done is there needs to a website that's truly about preservation and not piracy. That focuses on the games that do need preservation. If a site focused on that, I think it'd go over well.

So GOG?

That's basically GOG.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd edit your post if I were you that's against the ToS.

 

[redfeatherraven]

I'd edit your post if I were you that's against the ToS.

Er.

Who?

 

[Deleted member]

Er.

Who?

Shishoe. They openly said something that is not something that'll fly.

 

[Z25]

So how many characters do you think are left to reveal in Ultimate? That includes echoes.

I think we have seen every returning stage so 6 new characters.

All from new franchises. With Skull Kid and Elma and Incenroar and bandanna dee not getting stages(rip clock town).

My guesses for these franchises are:

Rhytm Heaven(music was put in extra to hide the series having a newcomer)

Geno. Yes he is a mario character but I think his third party status will grant him a forest maze stage.

Phoenix Wright or Monster Hunter. I’m torn on which of these two are getting in but I think one of them is. We already have a monster hunter stage that could be made multiplayer but at the same time I don’t see the
Hunter being in if they give us this. Ace attorney can’t exactly have a boss but capcom biggest ip can and it makes so much sense for it to be the real mascots, the monsters. Or in this case rathalos.

Whatever retro character is in. Honestly no idea on this but I think we get one.

Banjo Kazooie. I’m going to put this because of verge bin. I believe he’s right on the Minecraft content but it will be an item while banjo kazooie get in and a stage. Although it could have Steve get in with a stage who knows.

Heiachi. This almost happened last game but I think this time they’ll do it after Namco pushes for it. So obviously a stage here.

And that’s the last 6 I think we get and characters.

Alternative though is that Isssc is in and gets a stage, he could either go with these characters or replace one of them. Not really sure but issac is requested enough so it could happen.

And bonus echo ideas:
Ken or Akuma
Shadow
Mrs Pacman
Isabelle
Funky Kong( they’ll go full meme for this)

And who knows about the others.

 

[Chrono.]

Why do you think that many are left? I’m thinking we have 5 maybe 6... maybe.

Just wishful thinking honestly.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

****ing ****, My leg fell asleep and I cant move

 

[Sleepy_Icarus]

So how many characters do you think are left to reveal in Ultimate? That includes echoes.

In my mind, 10. For Sakurai's sake, Imma say 5 max left. Thinking maybe two unique newcomers and 3 echoes.

 

[redfeatherraven]

Shishoe. They openly said something that is not something that'll fly.

I mean.

I see where you might be coming from with regards to TOS rule 6?

But explaining that he couldn't reasonably purchase these games legally in his country isn't technically against that, regardless of his additional actions. That's not "inciting others to violate the law" so much as stating facts of the market.

Now if you'd like a more legal counter-example, I have an excellent one.

@Shishoe: Brazil, right? They still making the Genesis down there?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Shishoe. They openly said something that is not something that'll fly.

i didnt see anything beside the picture and I forgot what it said

 

[Deleted member]

They weren't profiting though? The ROMs were available for FREE. There aren't even ads! If Nintendo wants to take down sites profiting off ROMs, they should take down the ad-full sites that are all untrustworthy.
You're condemning me if you say Nintendo is justified by shutting down one of the only ways I can have access to these games.

What part of "this isn't your property" do you not understand? It doesn't matter what options are available, it is not your moral or legal right to own something just because it exists.

Is your situation understandable? Yes, I understand it well, I also do not "condemn" you for this action. But you aren't morally correct here, and certainly not in making Nintendo out to be the bad guy for protecting their property.

I mean.

I see where you might be coming from with regards to TOS rule 6?

But explaining that he couldn't reasonably purchase these games legally in his country isn't technically against that, regardless of his additional actions. That's not "inciting others to violate the law" so much as stating facts of the market.

Now if you'd like a more legal counter-example, I have an excellent one.

@Shishoe: Brazil, right? They still making the Genesis down there?

It's not a "law" per se, I just assumed that openly admitting that you DO pirate would get the mods on him. Like we are discussing the topic but I think it'll make the mods step in if we start admitting.

 

[praline]

What if we don’t get a pokemon newcomer? It wouldn’t surprise me.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

What if we don’t get a pokemon newcomer? It wouldn’t surprise me.

around the same. Im not really expecting a pokemon newcomer

 

[Androobie]

I’d totally jump into this argument as well, but I have zero background in all this ****. I just like pirating games to play fun ROM hacks.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean.

I see where you might be coming from with regards to TOS rule 6?

But explaining that he couldn't reasonably purchase these games legally in his country isn't technically against that, regardless of his additional actions. That's not "inciting others to violate the law" so much as stating facts of the market.

Now if you'd like a more legal counter-example, I have an excellent one.

@Shishoe: Brazil, right? They still making the Genesis down there?

We call it the Mega Drive here but yes, believe it or not, they still make it here. TecToy rereleased the console in 2017 actually

What part of "this isn't your property" do you not understand? It doesn't matter what options are available, it is not your moral or legal right to own something just because it exists.

Is your situation understandable? Yes, I understand it well, I also do not "condemn" you for this action. But you aren't morally correct here, and certainly not in making Nintendo out to be the bad guy for protecting their property.



It's not a "law" per se, I just assumed that openly admitting that you DO pirate would get the mods on him. Like we are discussing the topic but I think it'll make the mods step in if we start admitting.

Saying it's morally wrong is condemning me though
express complete disapproval of, typically in public; censure.

Which I disagree but I don't think this will go anywhere so I'll just end it here.

 

[Knight Dude]

I'm gonna guess we get like 3, maaaaaaaybe 4 brand new characters. And probably as many clone fighters.

What if we don’t get a pokemon newcomer? It wouldn’t surprise me.

It's possible, since we got the Pokemon Trainer back and Pichu as well. I heard someone, I forget who, mention making Charizard X similar to Solo Charizard in Smash 4. I don't it'd happen, but it would probably save more time than making a new character.