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[Blargg888]

Instead of this political talk you should talk about how jealous you are of me having pizza.

WAIT!

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What kind of pizza is it?

 

[praline]

Me with my pizza.

WAIT!

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What kind of pizza is it?

Bacon chicken ranch. It’s not what I wanted but it’s still good.

 

[Deleted member]

nuh uh Iron Giant is about a big dude who shoots things a lot going PEW PEW

**** you right

Instead of this political talk you should talk about how jealous you are of me having pizza.

Haha no thanks I know well enough pizza discussions never end well on this thread.

I'd argue it wasn't the nukes themselves, but the threat of nukes that was political. Those are two inherently different things. A showcase of power vs a showcase of force. Fear is a powerful thing to use politically, but in this case it's through the use of irrational fear. Because no sane world leader would actually go through with it.

Threatening the use of nuclear weapons is political. Going through with it goes beyond that because there's no longer anything to gain.

But it isn't about what is to gain, it's the reasoning behind it.
Had the US and the URSS fired their nukes, it would have been to show their "superiority" and that would have been a political move. A very, very dumb one, but we all know things don't have to be smart to be political.

WAIT!

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What kind of pizza is it?

OH GOD HERE WE GO AGAIN

 

[Cutie Gwen]

WAIT!

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What kind of pizza is it?

Pineapple obviously

 

[praline]

**** you right

Haha no thanks I know well enough pizza discussions never end well on this thread.

But it isn't about what is to gain, it's the reasoning behind it.
Had the US and the URSS fired their nukes, it would have been to show their "superiority" and that would have been a political move. A very, very dumb one, but we all know things don't have to be smart to be political.

OH GOD HERE WE GO AGAIN

Good point Shish

Pineapple obviously

Pineapple has no place on pizza

 

[Chrono.]

Found an image related to Infinity War, and it's pretty funny and also very true.
Spoiler-ific warning

Spoiler

Spoiler

Tbh I feel bad for the dude more than anything else.

I can't really blame him for what happened.

Laughed at the meme tho.

 

[Deleted member]

Can we just be silent a moment for how civil Opossum is?
Like dang. I am not even kidding.

Opossum is a good guy.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Testing out my icon designs for my most wanted characters in my signature

Middle is unknown status, right is deconfirmed, and left is confirmed (with the Midas touch).

Might test out the confirmed one a bit more (the others I ain't changing)

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler

Tbh I feel bad for the dude more than anything else.

I can't really blame him for what happened.

Laughed at the meme tho.

Spoiler: SPOILER ALERT

Star Lord could of thought this: What is better, saving everything or saving one thing that could easily be destroyed?

 

[Opossum]

**** you right

Haha no thanks I know well enough pizza discussions never end well on this thread.

But it isn't about what is to gain, it's the reasoning behind it.
Had the US and the URSS fired their nukes, it would have been to show their "superiority" and that would have been a political move. A very, very dumb one, but we all know things don't have to be smart to be political.

OH GOD HERE WE GO AGAIN

But that's the thing: it never would have come to launching them, and both governments ultimately knew that.

Both sides knew that civilians would have that visceral self-preservation-based reaction, and showing that they had more power than the civilians' own government would do several things: decrease morale, sow distrust, and spread panic. In turn the governments would combat it with propaganda aimed at making their citizens feel safe. Ducking and covering wouldn't do **** against a nuke, you'd die anyway. But it made people feel safer, which was their end goal. The Iron Giant even showcases that. Once the nuke itself is launched, the entire air of the film changes, because it's not a hypothetical any longer.

The psychological aspects of the Cold War were the most effective.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Spoiler: SPOILER ALERT

Star Lord could of thought this: What is better, saving everything or saving one thing that could easily be destroyed?

Spoiler

He was angry. When people are incredibly angry, they don't think. He lost the love of his life just like that. Tony, the guy who told him to calm down, KNOWS this as it's JUST like what happens in Civil War

 

[Starlight_Lily]

Code Geass has 50 episodes, split into two 25 episode seasons.

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Uh-oh.

Nintendo has yet to see “satisfactory” profit through mobile games. President Kimishima has commented: https://t.co/Cc7pp1i6Ak pic.twitter.com/WvZfwy9ikp

— Nintendo Wire (@NinWire) May 3, 2018

They're probably gonna get more aggressive with certain things.

Wait, but all you weebs are into Fire Emblem Heroes, how are they not making a profit off of it.

Bacon chicken ranch. It’s not what I wanted but it’s still good.

Oh, the none gone kind. The only good Pizza is Margherita pizza

 

[praline]

*before eating pizza* Real ****?

*after eating whole pizza* I sleep.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Me with my pizza.


Bacon chicken ranch. It’s not what I wanted but it’s still good.

OooOooO
that sounds like some kick ass pizza

 

[praline]

OooOooO
that sounds like some kick *** pizza

It ain’t bad, but I wanted thebuffalo chicken pizza.

 

[Chrono.]

Spoiler: SPOILER ALERT

Star Lord could of thought this: What is better, saving everything or saving one thing that could easily be destroyed?

Spoiler

He's still human and what he had was a very human reaction.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Good point Shish


Pineapple has no place on pizza

please dont let this meme show up on this god awful thread ever again

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Me with my pizza.

What kind of pizza are you eating that needs a spoon?

 

[praline]

What kind of pizza are you eating that needs a spoon?

lol it was just the best gif I could find.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

What kind of pizza are you eating that needs a spoon?

The ice cream variant.

I wouldn't be surprised if that actually existed

 

[Blargg888]

Bacon chicken ranch. It’s not what I wanted but it’s still good.

No...

I wasn't jealous before, but now I'm actually jealous. That sounds amazing.

 

[Coricus]

View attachment 142849

Dice?

I want to see.

This is what I ordered, at least.

I had to shop around a bit to find a store that carried both dice and a baggie that I liked enough. I wanted something a little more special than "normal dice but with a different color."

 

[Blargg888]

Pineapple has no place on pizza

It's not that good on regular pizza, but Pineapple is good on BBQ Chicken Pizza and Hawaiian Pizza.

 

[praline]

The ice cream variant.

I wouldn't be surprised if that actually existed

I’ve had pizza in a cone before.

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler

He was angry. When people are incredibly angry, they don't think. He lost the love of his life just like that. Tony, the guy who told him to calm down, KNOWS this as it's JUST like what happens in Civil War

Spoiler

He's still human and what he had was a very human reaction.

Spoiler: You know why.

Look. The UNIVERSE's life is on line. The human knows it is disastrous in both ways. He would know that he is basically killing more people he loves.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I’ve had pizza in a cone before.

Id love to try that

 

[Deleted member]

please dont let this meme show up on this god awful thread ever again

You are basically calling my home awful.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Spoiler: You know why.

Look. The UNIVERSE's life is on line. The human knows it is disastrous in both ways. He would know that he is basically killing more people he loves.

Spoiler

Have you ever been irrationally angry? You don't think, you don't consider the consequences. You just get overcome by rage. MANY people can tell you how they did something they regretted after getting irrationally angry

 

[praline]

Id love to try that

I’m sure they have something like this around where you live.

 

[Deleted member]

Spoiler

Have you ever been irrationally angry? You don't think, you don't consider the consequences. You just get overcome by rage. MANY people can tell you how they did something they regretted after getting irrationally angry

Spoiler: Not Really a Spoiler

Spoiler: Not Really a Spoiler

I think when I am mad.

 

[Starlight_Lily]

This is what I ordered, at least.





I had to shop around a bit to find a store that carried both dice and a baggie that I liked enough. I wanted something a little more special than "normal dice but with a different color."

Nice, personally buy dice bag, is custom made, old D&D buddy made it for me, I paid her for it though.

 

[Coricus]

Nice, personally buy dice bag, is custom made, old D&D buddy made it for me, I paid her for it though.

What's the bag like? It's cool that you bought one from someone you know.

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

Spoiler: Infinty spoilers

While I agree about Star lord's mistake was very stupid, the thing that no one gets (someone had to point this me) is that when the doc says "It's the only way" to Tony it implies that Star lord making that mistake is part of the only possible future where they end defeating Thanos

Spoiler

Yeah, could be. I still found the image hilarious, though.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

This just in

Detective Conon beat the **** out of Avengers Infinity War in Japan in the box office to no ones surprise

 

[Starlight_Lily]

What's the bag like? It's cool that you bought one from someone you know.

Here you go:

Spoiler: Dice bag

It was knitted, somebody else in that group also had a dice bag made from chain metal, it was pretty cool. Some of the were bigger D&D nerds then me, cause they LARPed.

 

[Pazzo.]

All this dice talk reminds me of my desire to start a Cyberpunk themed D&D campaign.

...or I would if I'd ever played a single game of D&D.

 

[Ura]

Uh-oh.

Nintendo has yet to see “satisfactory” profit through mobile games. President Kimishima has commented: https://t.co/Cc7pp1i6Ak pic.twitter.com/WvZfwy9ikp

— Nintendo Wire (@NinWire) May 3, 2018

They're probably gonna get more aggressive with certain things.

I don't see how they can get any more aggressive then they are now.

 

[Starlight_Lily]

All this dice talk reminds me of my desire to start a Cyberpunk themed D&D campaign.

...or I would if I'd ever played a single game of D&D.

You would be better running a Cyberpunk game in a system called Shadowrun, has all the trappings of Cyberpunk mixed with D&D.

 

[Coricus]

Here you go:

Spoiler: Dice bag

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It was knitted, somebody else in that group also had a dice bag made from chain metal, it was pretty cool. Some of the were bigger D&D nerds then me, cause they LARPed.

Aww, that's pretty cute!

Neither knitting nor chain metal are quite my type (although from what I saw shopping around chain metal is EXPENSIVE, would have taken it well past an impulse buy if that was my kind of preference), but they both sound like nice ways to add personal flair to D&D dice carrying. I'm glad I found a satin one with a design I liked, because I both didn't want a plain one and didn't want one with a design I felt was tacky or whatever LOL.

Long story short me shopping for what I like is an ordeal of pickiness and insanity LOOOL

 

[redfeatherraven]

Oh hey, there's a debate-y thing. Missed those.

So I've read through, and @ChikoLad I have to say you've convinced me. Your point is valid that the actual use of nuclear weapons, rather than merely the threat, is presently a matter beyond politics (although I would argue that the humanitarian issue would motivate people far greater than the environmental, at least at the level of the general public).

I do think that you can send a particular political message with an actual nuclear launch - one with a cavalcade of consequences, up to and including retaliation, but a message nevertheless - and I do believe it's limited to the current situation of humanity, which I'll circle round to in a moment. Fact remains that the base point, right now, is utterly correct.

However, other than the one point above - which may merely be viewpoint - I would criticize your delivery. You're also correct in that the primary disagreement with your initial position is a semantics issue, inasmuch as you utilized terms above and beyond what they'd be considered in the public consciousness. That much, however, could have been avoided.

For better or worse (likely worse) political issues are popularly taken to be some mix of governance and machinations of people in positions of power, while environmental issues mostly evoke pollution and preservation motifs. Neither of these would cause people to immediately associate nuclear weapons with the kind of salt-the-fields irrevocable obliteration of the area in which they are used. The connection is indeed there, and people absolutely could come round to that if the connection is pointed out, but absent the initial explanation people have been sidewinding around and around the primary point for three-odd pages.

I do wish that people would've requested elaboration before dogpiling on you. But absent that - and absent the expectation of that - I would advise laying it out the connection in full next time.

Let's circle back around to that other point about current situation though:

From my perspective, anyway, something being political involves working toward some kind of endgame for either the world or your small portion of the world. But complete nuclear devastation wouldn't have an endgame. Or at least, not one that people would be around for. And considering not even the launcher would be left standing, it'd run counter to the universal goal of self-preservation. In other words, motivated purely by madness.

Essentially I view politics' endgame as partial alteration. Nuclear genocide's endgame would be total deletion.

So maybe I've been playing too many space games, and this is definitely looking further ahead than any of us involved in this discussion would live to see, but I kind of wonder how this'll play out when we have access to more territory than our one blue marble.

See part of the nuclear debate right now is, for lack of a better word, selfish. The entire point of consideration for this is the loss of a finite resource - our space here on Earth, and by extension everything that space can provide.

While we're confined to this dot, that stock remains finite. Even if not retaliated in kind, a nuclear launch removes a portion of our planet for generations, at minimum. You could make arguments for the damage to the landscape, the loss of wildlife and habitat, and the loss of space for settlements. You could note the loss of every creative endeavor from every sentient mind in the vicinity, the effects of which are literally incalculable. But even if you somehow consider these tragic, but transient, the point remains that even natural resources which may far outlive all those things will be effectively locked away longer than the great-grandchildren of any human alive for the detonation.

For every nuclear tragedy, we must live with the consequences. This is the crux of the point made so far, and I agree with it.

But imagine if you will that such was no longer true. Imagine that for every time you reduced a planet and its inhabitants to nothing but nuclear glass, you had ten planets thriving in other sections of the galaxy. Imagine if the loss of those resources wouldn't even be felt. You have reserves, what do you care?

I believe that would make it be seen as a significantly more acceptable weapon, however untrue that may continue to be. The deletion wouldn't be total. You, as a nuclear aggressor, have places to hide, where you could survive the onslaught and ride out the fallout.

The particularly troubling part of this thought experiment is that I can see this coming back around full circle, to people who are short-sighted enough to believe that they have sufficient reserves and sufficient places to survive even before we've spread beyond Earth. It's horrendously untrue, but that doesn't mean a small subset of people won't believe it. Politicians are still humans, and humans have flaws.

It's why I'm glad no man rules alone, but I pray it still takes more than one to push the button.

I'm fine leaving my circuitous babble there. Let's talk better subjects.

Me with my pizza.

Bacon chicken ranch. It’s not what I wanted but it’s still good.

That is some good ****ing taste. Jelly achieved.

This is what I ordered, at least.

I had to shop around a bit to find a store that carried both dice and a baggie that I liked enough. I wanted something a little more special than "normal dice but with a different color."

Ooo.

Dragon dice in tux. I like it. And pairing the bag is a nice touch, I don't know why more people don't do that.

I will say I've had some problems with designer dice like that personally, but that's been mostly because they've been hard to read quickly compared to flat numerals. The high contrast for tux dice should mostly alleviate that.

My shiniest dice go tragically underused:

- but that's more because they're solid metal and tend to damage everything they're rolled on. They practically count as projectile weapons.

Also I've been kind of slowly acquiring dice since I was a kid - partly playing a lot of terribly geeky games, partly just really like dice - so eventually it's just been a matter of volume:

There's something like two and a half actual pounds of dice in that sack.

And not a single one likes me well enough to roll decent.

It's terrible.