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[Wario Bros.]

http://www.playtonicgames.com/yooka-laylee-kickstarter-finalisation-faq/

A physical release of Yooka-Laylee for Switch is "beyond their scope" but would "100% love to" if the circumstances changes. And release date for Switch release is being worked on.

 

[Deleted member]

Just as another point, I really don't think they'd keep Ness and Captain Falcon if they did the kind of purge a reboot suggests. The number of people who care about them outside the capacity of Smash is fairly small and they're essentially being maintained off of legacy, so it's likely they'd be cut and replaced with Isabelle and the Squid Sisters instead.

You can't really think of a purge from the perspective of a wishlist, you have to think of what they would actually pursue on a business level and sales and currently maintained franchises are important. If they're willing to burn bridges by rebooting then they're going to burn them all.

Captain Falcon being so tied to smash is the exact reason it'd terrible to remove him.

 

[Kurri ★]

Just as another point, I really don't think they'd keep Ness and Captain Falcon if they did the kind of purge a reboot suggests. The number of people who care about them outside the capacity of Smash is fairly small and they're essentially being maintained off of legacy, so it's likely they'd be cut and replaced with Isabelle and the Squid Sisters instead.

You can't really think of a purge from the perspective of a wishlist, you have to think of what they would actually pursue on a business level and sales and currently maintained franchises are important. If they're willing to burn bridges by rebooting then they're going to burn them all.

You really think they wouldn't keep Ness and Falcon?

I don't think you carry two characters for 4 games straight, and cut them the next like that.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Personally, I'd rather see them keep everything from 4 and build onto it in Switch, than start off with a much smaller roster, and unclone the cloney characters. (Especially Lucina and Ganondorf).

 

[Metal Shop X]

YES!! I did it! I unlock Wesker and, most important of all, I unlock the infinite ammo for the Handcannon!!
Now, this is going to be even more fun! >: )

 

[Coricus]

You really think they wouldn't keep Ness and Falcon?

I don't think you carry two characters for 4 games straight, and cut them the next like that.

Nobody says anything in defense of Jigglypuff. Nobody says anything in defense of the 2-3 dozen other characters that would be removed, a large chunk of which are immensely more popular in the gaming community even without Smash than the newcomers that these fantasies inevitably end in would be.

To push the point further, a Smash reboot wouldn't be "even," either. It'd be frontloaded with Mario characters and half or more of the long string of single character represented franchises that show up in these lists would just be gone.

There'd obviously be hell to pay, but there would be with the reboot scenario as it is and no one ever stops to think of that. Why make a special exception for a series that's been dormant for two generations and another one that isn't getting touched again? Because they're more nostalgic?

 

[Wolfie557]

To be fair, I haven't started playing the game until a few days ago. It's one of those games I wish I got into sooner because it's really my kind of game.(Metroid like map with a dark gothic style? Hell yes!) I would be further into it if I wasn't still playing Aria of Sorrow, which is also great.


But is it a hentia artist that draws males?


You're going to make the Nino lovers here triggered dude. Big mistake, almost as bad as @Undyne not knowing who Hector is.

Lmao I only know less than 20 characters from fire emblem.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Doe anyone have the art work for Niles in FEH?

 

[FalKoopa]

Despite all the other games that did the system well?

Yes, flops speak louder than successes.

There are plenty of successful Kickstarters but it just took Mighty Number 9 for people to start questioning it.

 

[praline]

It's super hype when you get the play of the game on Overwatch. Especially when it's woth someone you don't use often like Reaper.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Nobody says anything in defense of Jigglypuff. Nobody says anything in defense of the 2-3 dozen other characters that would be removed, a large chunk of which are immensely more popular in the gaming community even without Smash than the newcomers that these fantasies inevitably end in would be.

To push the point further, a Smash reboot wouldn't be "even," either. It'd be frontloaded with Mario characters and half or more of the long string of single character represented franchises that show up in these lists would just be gone.

There'd obviously be hell to pay, but there would be with the reboot scenario as it is and no one ever stops to think of that. Why make a special exception for a series that's been dormant for two generations and another one that isn't getting touched again? Because they're more nostalgic?

Because of the amount of fan who will be upset.
Like, do you even imagine the number of peoples who will be piss of if Capt.Falcon get removed? After that:
-His franchise hasn't got a single game for years.
-Nintendo doesn't seem to want to bring back F-Zero because they want to find a "gimmick" for it.
-That he is a veteran of the series.
-He is one of the most beloved character of the franchise. (Even when people don't know F-Zero, they still know who is Capt.Falcon because he is so iconic)
-He is a fun and great character in most games.
And most important of all:
-How he is going to show his moves if he isn't in the game?

 

[Wolfie557]

Really liking this Sully character. Shes powerful and has a good attitude, so I added to favs.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm gonna go crazy.
I was promised a February 2nd release so if Nintendo plans on delaying the game for the americas, then say it already!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

All these terrible ideas for a reboot is why I don't want one.

 

[Opossum]

If people want a smaller Nintendo roster, just hope Nintendo vs Capcom becomes a thing.

 

[Coricus]

Because of the amount of fan who will be upset.
Like, do you even imagien the number of peoples who will be piss of if Capt.Falcon get removed? After that:
-His franchise hasn't got a single game for years.
-Nintendo doesn't seem to want to bring back F-Zero because they want to find a gimmick for it.
-That he is a veteran of the series.
-He is one of the most beloved character of the franchise. (Even people don't know F-Zero, they still know who is Capt.Falcon)
And most important of all:
-How he is going to show his moves if he isn't in the game?

And no one thinks of all the fans of other characters that would be upset?

Does no one think anyone would miss ?

Or how about ?

Would anyone miss , I wonder?

People already miss extremely badly. Now multiply that by a dozen.

Captain Falcon is not more special than any of the other characters that people care about just because he's a meme. From an objective standpoint he has some of the least to bring to a Nintendo crossover and is largely just riding off of recursive Smash popularity. Most other characters that people wouldn't even shed a tear over have more going for them than that, but they're not a concern because they don't "Show their moves."

Cap is just another fish in an ocean full of characters with people who love them. My point is that if Smash were cut down, it wouldn't be some fantasy that got rid of all the characters people don't like and none of the ones they do, it would be an objective culling that would only include the characters they know they can turn a profit marketing with. And Captain Falcon isn't one of them.

 

[Kurri ★]

Yes, flops speak louder than successes.

There are plenty of successful Kickstarters but it just took Mighty Number 9 for people to start questioning it.

I understand flops speak louder than success, but I don't think that's reason enough to not look into an idea. It's more just an example of how not to handle something.
The biggest issue with SFV isn't even that they employed such a model, but that the rest of the game was lacking content. Things that would have been standard in other games.
You look at something like Killer Instinct, MKX, even Smash 4, and those issues aren't anywhere near as pronounced because a lot of the things that would be expected are already there.

Halo 5 almost suffered a similar fate, but thankfully, 343i fixed most of their issues quick.

 

[Deleted member]

What would a reboot be, though? With the likely scenario for a reboot, a 20 character roster with newcomers, you're going to end up with a veteran selection the size of Smash 64. At that range, it's a lot more than the "characters no one outside of Smash cares about" getting cut, you're going to be bleeding third party characters that sent people that don't even normally care squeeing and large chunks of franchises like Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda. Over a dozen franchises would probably just outright vanish, and a lot of them have characters that are sacred cows to sectors of the fandom that don't normally overlap with the roster people as much. And don't think for a moment that DK and Metroid would actually fare well in this situation either, say goodbye to Diddy and Zero Suit Samus and don't expect anyone else in trade.

I think you're underestimating how much of a backfire would happen. Even the casual community would start bleeding members with a reboot sized roster, and Nintendo would be bombarded with questions of "Where are all the characters?"

Who said it would be 20 characters?

If Sakurai doesn't return (which he likely won't), it's the perfect reason for a reboot, and he's the one you're quoting saying "20 is ideal" I'm sure many would disagree.

What would a reboot be?

SFII > SFIII or SFIII > SFIV or SFIV > SFV, or what Guilty Gear Xrd is to the XX series. It's happened dozens of times with fighting games, and is essentially a staple of the genre. Excessively large rosters are in fact a problem for fighting games due to balance issues. In fact, when rosters are picked for new installments in a fighting game, they're typically done by selecting certain characters that might best highlight some of the new mechanics, all the while still adding staples and familiar faces.

And I think you're overestimating how much backlash it would get. Nintendo has done this many times before (WindWaker), and people have coped just fine. It wouldn't bleed anything. If a reboot gets a lot of praise for trying new things, and etc... all the people throwing a hissy fit would eat their words and cave in anyway. There's nowhere else to go with the Smash series from here. You run a very serious risk of getting a lot of backlash from burnout if you retread your steps for a 5th time. A 5th Smash is unlikely to get Cloud, Ryu and a bunch of others to return, but mere virtue of that, it'll already be seen as inferior to it. And Smash 4 already exists, people can easily replay that installment if they wanna play as those characters. For one, that's a very Nintendo mentality, as they've literally said what I just said, and two, it's not uncommon of the Smash fanbase to cling to older games, (Melee) nor has this affected sales of future games.

Finally, it's very unreasonable to demand more and more and more and more each time. It's already reached a point, where more is simply too costly, and demands way too much work. EVERY character would need new models, animations, etc... and they would all need to be re-balanced, and reprogrammed (new engine, thus, a simple import doesn't quite work), for... what? 70+ characters?

An expanded port of 4, guaranteed, then a bit of break, and then a reboot. Mark my words.

 

[Opossum]

And no one thinks of all the fans of other characters that would be upset?

Does no one think anyone would miss ?

Or how about ?

Would anyone miss , I wonder?

People already miss extremely badly. Now multiply that by a dozen.

Captain Falcon is not more special than any of the other characters that people care about just because he's a meme. From an objective standpoint he has some of the least to bring to a Nintendo crossover and is largely just riding off of recursive Smash popularity. Most other characters that people wouldn't even shed a tear over have more going for them than that, but they're not a concern because they don't "Show their moves."

Cap is just another fish in an ocean full of characters with people who love them. My point is that if Smash were cut down, it wouldn't be some fantasy that got rid of all the characters people don't like and none of the ones they do, it would be an objective culling that would only include the characters they know they can turn a profit marketing with. And Captain Falcon isn't one of them.

Basically this for me. Hell, I'd miss folks like Greninja and Lucario a hell of a lot more than Captain Falcon...I'd even miss Palutena a lot more.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

And no one thinks of all the fans of other characters that would be upset?

Does no one think anyone would miss ?

Or how about ?

Would anyone miss , I wonder?

People already miss extremely badly. Now multiply that by a dozen.

Captain Falcon is not more special than any of the other characters that people care about just because he's a meme. From an objective standpoint he has some of the least to bring to a Nintendo crossover and is largely just riding off of recursive Smash popularity. Most other characters that people wouldn't even shed a tear over have more going for them than that, but they're not a concern because they don't "Show their moves."

Cap is just another fish in an ocean full of characters with people who love them. My point is that if Smash were cut down, it wouldn't be some fantasy that got rid of all the characters people don't like and none of the ones they do, it would be an objective culling that would only include the characters they know they can turn a profit marketing with. And Captain Falcon isn't one of them.

Id really miss Bayonetta. And if Villager is gone, Id be even more sad

 

[Autumn ♫]

So, I attempted to make a Brawl sized Smash 5 Roster

I honestly think this would be as good as it could get without losing anyone too important, and even then, I cut some good characters (like Palutena, Megaman, the Miis gimmick, WFT, Lucina, among a few others)

 

[Burruni]

>Still no FE:Heroes
>After being promised equal treatment after SM:Run
>No word about it

 

[Deleted member]

The problem with rebooting Smash is that it's big because of the characters more so than ANYTHING, there's a reaaon why character speculation is by far the most prominent and important than anything else.

Downgrading the size with a similiar roster would easily be banned regardleas of how good the competive gameplay and balance is.

Competetive players who want a smaller roster for the sake of the competetive scene are more self rightious than people that want *insert charactet here*

I hope they don't pander to the competetive scene and put in much less content, that's what killed SFV...

I'm gonna go crazy.
I was promised a February 2nd release so if Nintendo plans on delaying the game for the americas, then say it already!

Saaaame, uuuuuuuggggh. I really want to play it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Who said it would be 20 characters?

If Sakurai doesn't return (which he likely won't), it's the perfect reason for a reboot, and he's the one you're quoting saying "20 is ideal" I'm sure many would disagree.

What would a reboot be?

SFII > SFIII or SFIII > SFIV or SFIV > SFV, or what Guilty Gear Xrd is to the XX series. It's happened dozens of times with fighting games, and is essentially a staple of the franchise. Excessively large rosters are in fact a problem for fighting games due to balance issues. In fact, when rosters are picked for new installments in a fighting game, they're typically done by selecting certain characters that might best highlight some of the new mechanics, all the while still adding staples and familiar faces.

And I think you're overestimating how much backlash it would get. Nintendo has done this many times before (WindWaker), and people have coped just fine. It wouldn't bleed anything. If a reboot gets a lot of praise for trying new things, and etc... all the people throwing a hissy fit would eat their words and cave in anyway. There's nowhere else to go with the Smash series from here. You run a very serious risk of getting a lot of backlash from burnout if you retread your steps for a 5th time. A 5th Smash is unlikely to get Cloud, Ryu and a bunch of others to return, but mere virtue of that, it'll already be seen as inferior to it. And Smash 4 already exists, people can easily replay that installment if they wanna play as those characters. For one, that's a very Nintendo mentality, as they've literally said what I just said, and two, it's not uncommon of the Smash fanbase to cling to older games, (Melee) nor has this affected sales of future games.

Finally, it's very unreasonable to demand more and more and more and more each time. It's already reached a point, where more is simply too costly, and demands way too much work. EVERY character would need new models, animations, etc... and they would all need to be re-balanced, and reprogrammed (new engine, thus, a simple import doesn't quite work), for... what? 70+ characters?

An expanded port of 4, guaranteed, then a bit of break, and then a reboot. Mark my words.

Wind Waker isn't a reboot, it was always seen as a sequel, a new Zelda game with new adventures. Not to mention a reboot isn't a single game, but a new series of games. The Zelda timeline has been split up to multiple points, so if anything, it's a sidepath. And a fighting game suddenly having a lot less characters WILL provide backlash, if Mewtwo, a character people didn't even play as that much in Melee, had THAT much fan demand, imagine the outrage for over 30 characters being cut. Not to mention it's easier to port the models and animations, etc. Who says a new engine is necessary? "It's unreasonable to demand more" but it's unreasonable to give less. The whole point of Smash is "Fight with your favourite Nintendo characters!", other fighting games aren't mascot fighters, the appeal to other fighting games are, well, the fighting, not so much the characters. Make a 20 character roster and try to do so in a way in which people wouldn't feel upset due to the loss of their favourite characters, like Street Fighter 3 learned the hard way

Also Shishi your waifu is ****, Nino can't read

 

[Metal Shop X]

And no one thinks of all the fans of other characters that would be upset?

Does no one think anyone would miss ?

Or how about ?

Would anyone miss , I wonder?

People already miss extremely badly. Now multiply that by a dozen.

Captain Falcon is not more special than any of the other characters that people care about just because he's a meme. From an objective standpoint he has some of the least to bring to a Nintendo crossover and is largely just riding off of recursive Smash popularity. Most other characters that people wouldn't even shed a tear over have more going for them than that, but they're not a concern because they don't "Show their moves."

Cap is just another fish in an ocean full of characters with people who love them. My point is that if Smash were cut down, it wouldn't be some fantasy that got rid of all the characters people don't like and none of the ones they do, it would be an objective culling that would only include the characters they know they can turn a profit marketing with. And Captain Falcon isn't one of them.

Yeah, but would cause alot more peoples angry because of the state of his franchise and how he is a emblematic to the Smash series.
It will be like removing Ryu from a Street Fighter game. Did you know that, Third Strike wasn't supposed to bring back any old character at all? Well guess what, the fan didn't like it. And judging from what I heard, there must be ALOOOT of cry if Capcom decided to bring back Ryu and Ken.

Really tough, this idea of a reboot is terrible. Making a roster smaller where the iconic twelve veteran not here wouldn't be great at all. Because if we go with that, do we have to remove because her franchise isn't popular anymore? Do we have to remove because Mario is more iconic? Do we have to remove because Star Fox Zero didn't sell enough?

Man, **** this ****, I hate when peoples want to remove old character because their favourite character didn't get in, **** that, I'm out of this debate.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I don't think we'll ever get a reboot. Sakurai already did state he hated seeing characters be cut because each character has their own fanbase. Rebooting the roster would not only do that, but do it to a much higher extreme than any game previously.

That, and characters sell the game, losing a bunch of characters, and only putting in a few newcomers would definitely turn off a lot of Smash fans.

 

[Deleted member]

Wind Waker isn't a reboot, it was always seen as a sequel, a new Zelda game with new adventures. Not to mention a reboot isn't a single game, but a new series of games. The Zelda timeline has been split up to multiple points, so if anything, it's a sidepath. And a fighting game suddenly having a lot less characters WILL provide backlash, if Mewtwo, a character people didn't even play as that much in Melee, had THAT much fan demand, imagine the outrage for over 30 characters being cut. Not to mention it's easier to port the models and animations, etc. Who says a new engine is necessary? "It's unreasonable to demand more" but it's unreasonable to give less. The whole point of Smash is "Fight with your favourite Nintendo characters!", other fighting games aren't mascot fighters, the appeal to other fighting games are, well, the fighting, not so much the characters. Make a 20 character roster and try to do so in a way in which people wouldn't feel upset due to the loss of their favourite characters, like Street Fighter 3 learned the hard way

Also Shishi your waifu is ****, Nino can't read

Here's a simple challenge for everyone ITT:

Make an appealing 35 character Smash 5 roster, under the assumption that every returning character is getting a revamped moveset. Either upgraded, or totally redone. Be sure to include new faces. No 3rd parties allowed.

 

[Opossum]

To lighten the mood, here's a Smash hypothetical.

You were brought aboard by Sakurai to choose new characters for a Smash 4 Switch port. When asked how many, Sakurai smirks and says five. Five! Wow! Before now you thought that impossible...but there's a catch.

You must pick:

- One returning veteran
- One newcomer from an already-present Nintendo series
- One newcomer from a new Nintendo series
- One new third party character (must be an unrepresented franchise and must have appeared on a Nintendo system)
- ...And a Fire Emblem character.

Under these circumstances, which five characters would you pick?


Edit: Also Manly's challenge since I've been Ninja'd.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Can I please GET MY ****ING FIRE EMBLEM HEROES YET?!?!?!?!

 

[FalKoopa]

I understand flops speak louder than success, but I don't think that's reason enough to not look into an idea. It's more just an example of how not to handle something.
The biggest issue with SFV isn't even that they employed such a model, but that the rest of the game was lacking content. Things that would have been standard in other games.
You look at something like Killer Instinct, MKX, even Smash 4, and those issues aren't anywhere near as pronounced because a lot of the things that would be expected are already there.

Halo 5 almost suffered a similar fate, but thankfully, 343i fixed most of their issues quick.

That's why I said, "for now".

Nintendo has been much better about their DLC and other practices, so I have faith that they can do it well, but until SFV goes out of the public eye, I think they should not attempt it due the bad PR that would result.

 

[Kurri ★]

I don't see the issue of a smaller initial roster that can be expanded on over time

 

[Deleted member]

And no one thinks of all the fans of other characters that would be upset?

Does no one think anyone would miss ?

Or how about ?

Would anyone miss , I wonder?

People already miss extremely badly. Now multiply that by a dozen.

Captain Falcon is not more special than any of the other characters that people care about just because he's a meme. From an objective standpoint he has some of the least to bring to a Nintendo crossover and is largely just riding off of recursive Smash popularity. Most other characters that people wouldn't even shed a tear over have more going for them than that, but they're not a concern because they don't "Show their moves."

Cap is just another fish in an ocean full of characters with people who love them. My point is that if Smash were cut down, it wouldn't be some fantasy that got rid of all the characters people don't like and none of the ones they do, it would be an objective culling that would only include the characters they know they can turn a profit marketing with. And Captain Falcon isn't one of them.

You don't understand, even outside of memes Captain Falcon is simply a smash icon, it's as simple as that. What are you going to say next, remove Master Hand because he's not making a profit.

Man, that's one of the problems with gaming nowadays is that people forget that games can and should take creative and expressive libreties, not everything has to be marketable.(For instance, why the hell would we even have retro characters then? They're from games that haven't been relevant in market for years and years...)

Man, I miss politics...

 

[Coricus]

To lighten the mood, here's a Smash hypothetical.

You were brought aboard by Sakurai to choose new characters for a Smash 4 Switch port. When asked how many, Sakurai smirks and says five. Five! Wow! Before now you thought that impossible...but there's a catch.

You must pick:

- One returning veteran
- One newcomer from an already-present Nintendo series
- One newcomer from a new Nintendo series
- One new third party character (must be an unrepresented franchise and must have appeared on a Nintendo system)
- ...And a Fire Emblem character.

Under these circumstances, which five characters would you pick?


Edit: Also Manly's challenge since I've been Ninja'd.

Wolf
K. Rool
Inkling
Jibanyan
Caeda

And there you have a roster. The last two are gonna make the world burn, but there you go.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Here's a simple challenge for everyone ITT:

Make an appealing 35 character Smash 5 roster, under the assumption that every returning character is getting a revamped moveset. Either upgraded, or totally redone. Be sure to include new faces. No 3rd parties allowed.

This minus Pac-Man and Sonic (Because rules), Mii, and Zero Suit Samus.

To lighten the mood, here's a Smash hypothetical.

You were brought aboard by Sakurai to choose new characters for a Smash 4 Switch port. When asked how many, Sakurai smirks and says five. Five! Wow! Before now you thought that impossible...but there's a catch.

You must pick:

- One returning veteran
- One newcomer from an already-present Nintendo series
- One newcomer from a new Nintendo series
- One new third party character (must be an unrepresented franchise and must have appeared on a Nintendo system)
- ...And a Fire Emblem character.

Under these circumstances, which five characters would you pick?


Edit: Also Manly's challenge since I've been Ninja'd.

Only one new Fire Emblem character? I would have wanted more

- Ice Climbers, because fan demand
- Vaati
- Callie & Marie
- Jack Frost
- I think I'd go with Anna on this one.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Meanwhile, a **** load of iOS mobile games are literally cashing in on Fire Emblem Hype.

No seriously...

http://gonintendo.com/stories/273235-multiple-ios-games-add-fire-emblem-to-their-title-to-cash-in-on

 

[praline]

So for my FE Advance Wars you gotta choose both the gun and the ammo(unless they use grenades as they're weapon type then just ammo).

Guns have infinite uses and are where the strength, accuracy, etc are calculated but without ammo is like sending a unit in FE without a weapon. Ammo are finite uses and effect your attacks by either giving it a secondary effect(like silver bullets doing extra damage to monsters) or just raising a stat(slugs dealing less damage but better accuracy).

 

[Kirby Dragons]

Here's a simple challenge for everyone ITT:

Make an appealing 35 character Smash 5 roster, under the assumption that every returning character is getting a revamped moveset. Either upgraded, or totally redone. Be sure to include new faces. No 3rd parties allowed.

1. Mario
2. Luweegee
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Rosalina & Luma
6. Wario
7. Yoshi
8. Donkey Kong
9. Diddy Kong
10. Link
11. Zelda
12. Ganondorf
13. Midna
14. Pikachu
15. Charizard
16. Greninja
17. Decidueye
18. Kirby
19. King Dedede
20. Meta Knight
21. Bandana Waddle Dee
22. Spring Man
23. Inkling
24. Marth
25. Ike
26. Robin
27. Fox
28. Falco
29. Samus
30. Federation Force Soldier
31. Captain Falcon
32. Villager
33. Olimar
34. Shulk
35. Pit

 

[Swamp Sensei]

- One returning veteran

/

Probably .

Sorry .

Sorry .

- One newcomer from an already-present Nintendo series

K.Rool

- One newcomer from a new Nintendo series

Inkling.

- One new third party character (must be an unrepresented franchise and must have appeared on a Nintendo system)

Hmm.....

My heart says Phoenix Wright.

My brain say Rayman.

Get those western characters in there.

...And a Fire Emblem character.

************....

Uh....

Ephriam.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

What they should do for the next smash is make it free but only have Mario as a playable character and release the rest at a cost to download

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Here's a list of characters I'd personally be pissed about leaving
She got in BECAUSE of fan demand, cutting her means pissing off all those fans
One of the most popular Mario characters and a personal favourite
THE Smash Bros character
Sure, I suck as him, but he's fun and one of the most popular mons in the franchise
The character almost everybody on the planet ended up jizzing themselves about
No other Nintendo character, perhaps even video game character for that matter, can imitate her unique yet fun style
Look at this jolly fat ****. Harming him in any way strikes everyone with grief
It's on like Donkey Kong became a thing for a reason
One of the most fun characters to play as when you're with lots of friends
My favourite pokemon
One of my favourite characters in the franchise
Hilarious concept, and don't tell me you wouldn't miss landing Rest
Kirby's NEVER had a bad game, so if he gets cut, I'd cut the guy/gal who made that decision
Is this a JoJo reference? Always satisfying to punch everything
The Mickey Mouse of video games
An incredibly fun character who reflects multiple aspects from his series which has become a major IP after 2 successful games
I was literally born on this guy's 10th birthday, his games have aged surprisingly well
Absolute bad ass
Had SO many requests just to get back in
You can't NOT have Pikachu
Best joke character in the franchise
Very fun and unique character, the perfect character to reflect on Awakening's success
Without Ryu, it doesn't even feel like a real fighting game anymore
/Metroid fans have gotten enough ****
Sexy nekkid costume+British accent+Project Rainfall
Who DIDN'T want to see these two fight?

To lighten the mood, here's a Smash hypothetical.

You were brought aboard by Sakurai to choose new characters for a Smash 4 Switch port. When asked how many, Sakurai smirks and says five. Five! Wow! Before now you thought that impossible...but there's a catch.

You must pick:

- One returning veteran
- One newcomer from an already-present Nintendo series
- One newcomer from a new Nintendo series
- One new third party character (must be an unrepresented franchise and must have appeared on a Nintendo system)
- ...And a Fire Emblem character.

Under these circumstances, which five characters would you pick?


Edit: Also Manly's challenge since I've been Ninja'd.

Easy, Wolf, Ridley, Takamaru, Shovel Knight and Hector. Hardest part was Lyn or Hector