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[Deleted member]

How about we get a Metroid, Zelda, and DK newcomer.

Is that too much to ask?

Apparently yes, at least the former two franchises.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Apparently yes, at least the former two franchises.

Even if K. Rool can't happen, Dixie or Cranky would be just as good.

There's enough DK characters to choose from TBH.

 

[Coricus]

How about we get a Metroid, Zelda, and DK newcomer.

Is that too much to ask?

The more playability-friendly characters in Metroid and Zelda (outside of the Ridley situation that I am NOT touching in this post) don't show up in a very large proportion of their series' games outside of the characters already in Smash and both DK characters bottom out popularity polls on the current cast, so, uh. . .

It could easily be WORSE, but I'd guess they're struggling to get another character for a reason.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

The more playability-friendly characters in Metroid and Zelda (outside of the Ridley situation that I am NOT touching in this post) don't show up in a very large proportion of their series' games outside of the characters already in Smash and both DK characters bottom out popularity polls on the current cast, so, uh. . .

It could easily be WORSE, but I'd guess they're struggling to get another character for a reason.

Source?

Not that I'm doubting you or anything, but I need more proof.

 

[Schnee117]

Yeah but I never played SotN

How about we get a Metroid, Zelda, and DK newcomer.

For Metroid there's Ridley and Sylux and... that's about it in terms of characters Metroid fans would actually like. And we already know that Ridley needs a more Smash friendly design (as in his proportions don't make him look like a twig when resized).
Zelda needs some of it's characters to return more often outside of spin-offs.
DK just needs good timing.

 

[Champ Gold]

I don't want cuts if you're the only rep for that series or you have an original moveset.

Pitto and Lucy needs to either revamp themselves or go back to being Marth and Pit's Alts.

Roy can go or stay for all I care.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Apparently a hentai artist drew Subaki, Niles in FEH

This is gonna be good to see the battle damage

 

[Ivander]

Apparently a hentai artist drew Subaki, Niles in FEH

This is gonna be good to see the battle damage

In the FE Cipher card game, there were hentai artists who drew characters. Homare drew Tharja and Kagarou.

 

[Coricus]

Source?

Not that I'm doubting you or anything, but I need more proof.

Ah crud, I need to stop sharing things I don't fully remember.

There was a tier list on some site that devolved into a popularity list a bit before Smash 4 released and DK and Diddy were sitting rock bottom.

Less concretely, something is odd, though. I see much more fanart for requests for NEW DK characters than anyone ever bothers for with the existing ones. In fanart and fanfiction the franchise may as well almost not exist outside of projects with every single member of the cast. . .and Fire Emblem got favoritism long before it's roster selection exploded.

 

[Wolfie557]

Ok, FE Heroes is great!

My first hero summoned was *drum roll*..... Nino (3star)!!! whoever that is XD. followed by : Caeda( 4star) , Jagen (4star) , Subaki (4star) and Sully (3star).

I just hope it doesn't take forever to collect all the characters I want.... or at least get 1 of them lmao.
*still getting used to the fugly name Alfonse*

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

In the FE Cipher card game, there were hentai artists who drew characters. Homare drew Tharja and Kagarou.

Cant wait to see what Niles looks like oh man

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Question: I used an orb to refill my stamina.

Is it normal that it increased to 90/50? Am I missing something here? Not that I'm complaining of course

 

[Robert of Normandy]

In the FE Cipher card game, there were hentai artists who drew characters. Homare drew Tharja and Kagarou.

The artists for Celica's DLC appearance in Awakening also drew hentai IIRC.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Hentai artist talk? I think I'll sit this one out

I am hyped for Fire Emblem Heroes, I just wish it were out in North America already. I wonder why it's not though.

 

[Deleted member]

Alright, let's play a real FE game while Ninty doesn't release it in the americas
*boots up FE6*
I guess the joke's on me

My first hero summoned was *drum roll*..... Nino (3star)!!! whoever that is XD.

*triggered*

 

[FalKoopa]

Apparently a hentai artist drew Subaki, Niles in FEH

This is gonna be good to see the battle damage

Actually, many popular artists once drew hentai, and some still do it as a side job.

It's a good secondary source of income.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

But get this here, everything should be fine as long as they don't shoehorn a Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE character for late promotion.

Because people would still confuse them for more Fire Emblem reps regardless.

And by the way, Mega Man Zero's artist did loli doujins before and after their involvement with Capcom.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The artists for Celica's DLC appearance in Awakening also drew hentai IIRC.

That guy's doing Xenoblade 2 iirc

 

[Deleted member]

To be fair, I haven't started playing the game until a few days ago. It's one of those games I wish I got into sooner because it's really my kind of game.(Metroid like map with a dark gothic style? Hell yes!) I would be further into it if I wasn't still playing Aria of Sorrow, which is also great.

Apparently a hentai artist drew Subaki, Niles in FEH

But is it a hentia artist that draws males?

Ok, FE Heroes is great!

My first hero summoned was *drum roll*..... Nino (3star)!!! whoever that is XD. followed by : Caeda( 4star) , Jagen (4star) , Subaki (4star) and Sully (3star).

I just hope it doesn't take forever to collect all the characters I want.... or at least get 1 of them lmao.
*still getting used to the fugly name Alfonse*

You're going to make the Nino lovers here triggered dude. Big mistake, almost as bad as @Undyne not knowing who Hector is.

 

[praline]

Is Fire Emblem Heroes not for ios yet?

 

[Pazzo.]

I'd be playing FE Heroes, but it hasn't shown up on the store for me... even though my friend's tablet had it within the last hour.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

That guy's doing Xenoblade 2 iirc

No matter why the art looks like something out of a generic anime.

 

[Kurri ★]

I think a total reboot of the series would be fine if they employ a service model.

I think it'd be way better if the next Smash released with a much smaller initial roster and stage list, and gradually added more over time. Maybe even add more items and such as well.

 

[Coricus]

That guy's doing Xenoblade 2 iirc

Yeah, uh. . .I don't think Xenoblade really needed that, the characters had questionable enough alt clothing at times already, LOL.

One of the pieces of concept art for Xenoblade 2 already has a female character's pants so uncomfortably low you can see her butt crack.

I actually don't mind the protagonist's bizarre pants like most people seem to, though.

 

[Pazzo.]

After 5 seconds of research, I found out the 30 second Switch commercial cost only $5 million dollars.

Only 1/4th of the amiibo stash!

 

[Deleted member]

Cutting clones or making them costumes doesn't solve anything, they take minimal effort to make
If your problem is that series X has too many characters then you need to stop being petty

Model > Textures > Animations > SFX > Voice > VFX > Parameters
There are at least 300 different animations per character, and a 3D model is a fair amount of work on its own.

They take LESS effort than a new character, yes, since you can use an established character.

But basically, Clones is the method all Modders use for original characters. Use an established character, and build off it. It's less work than building one from scratch, but it's still a good 500+ man hours.

The problem is that nearly all new options for characters are more obscure than nearly all of the old characters. There are exceptions, of course, but far fewer than people seem to think there are.

Then there's the fact that reboot or not, people would FREAK over cuts, and the reaction to Falco snowballing into creating Project M implies even revamps would be a no-go.

And Sakurai said that he thought 20 characters was the ideal character number for Smash. Good luck even getting 35 in a reboot, the end result combined with newcomers would be a massacre so extreme that the backlash could be seen from space.

That said, I do think Sakurai actually isn't coming back, but that actually inclines me to believe that they'll start recycling Smash 4 for the forseeable future instead of rebooting. They almost did it with Melee, I can easily see them doing it now.

Only hard core Smash fans would freak out, and they'd still buy the game anyway. The rest of the people don't really care all that much, and there is such a thing as having too much clutter on a roster. In fact, I'd say the majority of people would welcome something fresh over the same old thing for the 5th time now. CoD, NSMB, and other franchises got a lot of flack for that, Smash is NOT immune to this. Even MK has reinvented the wheel a few times.

That said, I do think Sakurai actually isn't coming back, but that actually inclines me to believe that they'll start recycling Smash 4 for the forseeable future instead of rebooting

Yeah, I think this'll happen too. But that wouldn't be the "next" game, would it?

I think they'll just release a "Smash 4 Deluxe" a couple years into the Switch's life. Do something like add IC, Wolf, Inkling, and someone else, plus a few stages, and stuff. Which will buy them a good number of years to give the series a nice break. After which, I imagine it'd be a reboot. Defo not under Sakurai's mantle imo,

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

But is it a hentia artist that draws males?

Well Yura, the artist, made a yaoi doujinshi so there is that

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Also, the artist of Valkyrie Chronicles dome some **** and still does it too.

But get this here, everything should be fine as long as they don't shoehorn a Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE character for late promotion.

Because people would still confuse them for more Fire Emblem reps regardless.

And by the way, Mega Man Zero's artist did loli doujins before and after their involvement with Capcom.

Ouch, right in the childhood. Who would have known that he has trash taste?

 

[FalKoopa]

I think a total reboot of the series would be fine if they employ a service model.

I think it'd be way better if the next Smash released with a much smaller initial roster and stage list, and gradually added more over time. Maybe even add more items and such as well.

I think for now, it would be better to not let people draw parallels to Street Fighter 5.

 

[Deleted member]

After 5 seconds of research, I found out the 30 second Switch commercial cost only $5 million dollars.

Only 1/4th of the amiibo stash!

Well yeah, two more seconds of research shows that the base price of 30 seconds is 4.5 million in 2015, so by now it's risen to 5 million.

It costs you a lot, sure, but the superbowl is gigantic, we're talking about 100+ million viewers.

Well Yura, the artist, made a yaoi doujinshi so there is that

That answers my question then.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Also, the artist of Valkyrie Chronicles dome some **** and still does it too.

Ouch, right in the childhood. Who would have known that he has trash taste?

That explain characters like Selvaria and Brunhilde. Still a visually stunning franchise.

And here comes the pissed off lolicons.

 

[Coricus]

Model > Textures > Animations > SFX > Voice > VFX > Parameters
There are at least 300 different animations per character, and a 3D model is a fair amount of work on its own.

They take LESS effort than a new character, yes, since you can use an established character.

But basically, Clones is the method all Modders use for original characters. Use an established character, and build off it. It's less work than building one from scratch, but it's still a good 500+ man hours.


Only hard core Smash fans would freak out, and they'd still buy the game anyway. The rest of the people don't really care all that much, and there is such a thing as having too much clutter on a roster. In fact, I'd say the majority of people would welcome something fresh over the same old thing for the 5th time now. CoD, NSMB, and other franchises got a lot of flack for that, Smash is NOT immune to this. Even MK has reinvented the wheel a few times.


Yeah, I think this'll happen too. But that wouldn't be the "next" game, would it?

I think they'll just release a "Smash 4 Deluxe" a couple years into the Switch's life. Which will buy them a good number of years to give the series a nice break. After which, I imagine it'd be a reboot. Defo not under Sakurai's mantle imo,

What would a reboot be, though? With the likely scenario for a reboot, a 20 character roster with newcomers, you're going to end up with a veteran selection the size of Smash 64. At that range, it's a lot more than the "characters no one outside of Smash cares about" getting cut, you're going to be bleeding third party characters that sent people that don't even normally care squeeing and large chunks of franchises like Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda. Over a dozen franchises would probably just outright vanish, and a lot of them have characters that are sacred cows to sectors of the fandom that don't normally overlap with the roster people as much. And don't think for a moment that DK and Metroid would actually fare well in this situation either, say goodbye to Diddy and Zero Suit Samus and don't expect anyone else in trade.

I think you're underestimating how much of a backfire would happen. Even the casual community would start bleeding members with a reboot sized roster, and Nintendo would be bombarded with questions of "Where are all the characters?"

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's not fair
I wanna see Hector
I wanna hear Hector
but I dunno where he is

 

[Pazzo.]

I seriously wouldn't mind a Melee/Brawl sized roster reboot.

Most of SB64 + A few Melee newcomers + a few Brawl newcomers + A few SSB4 newcomers + Newcomers.

So 30-ish characters. Most clones get cut, only Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon get more than 3 characters.

Roster:

Spoiler: Brace yourself

-Mario
-Luigi
-Peach
-Bowser

-Link
-Zelda
-Ganondorf

-Pikachu
-Charizard
-Mewtwo
-Newcomer

-Samus

-Donkey Kong
-Diddy Kong

-Yoshi

-Kirby
-Dedede

-Marth
-Ike
-Robin

-Captain Falcon

-Pit

-Fox

-Little Mac

-Ness

-Villager

-Shulk

-Duck Hunt

-Olimar

-Inkling

-Rythym Heaven character

-Newcomers

 

[Kurri ★]

I think for now, it would be better to not let people draw parallels to Street Fighter 5.

Despite all the other games that did the system well?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

That explain characters like Selvaria and Brunhilde. Still a visually stunning franchise.

And here comes the pissed off lolicons.

Do it look like I care for those with poor tastes?

:^}

 

[praline]

I don't want cuts if you're the only rep for that series or you have an original moveset.

Pitto and Lucy needs to either revamp themselves or go back to being Marth and Pit's Alts.

Roy can go or stay for all I care.

They should have just always been alts.

 

[Deleted member]

only Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon get more than 3 characters.

-Link
-Zelda
-Ganondorf

That's exactly three.

EDIT: Nevermind. I posted this before I saw "-Newcomers".

 

[Coricus]

Just as another point, I really don't think they'd keep Ness and Captain Falcon if they did the kind of purge a reboot suggests. The number of people who care about them outside the capacity of Smash is fairly small and they're essentially being maintained off of legacy, so it's likely they'd be cut and replaced with Isabelle and the Squid Sisters instead.

You can't really think of a purge from the perspective of a wishlist, you have to think of what they would actually pursue on a business level and sales and currently maintained franchises are important. If they're willing to burn bridges by rebooting then they're going to burn them all.

 

[Opossum]

Just as another point, I really don't think they'd keep Ness and Captain Falcon if they did the kind of purge a reboot suggests. The number of people who care about them outside the capacity of Smash is fairly small and they're essentially being maintained off of legacy, so it's likely they'd be cut and replaced with Isabelle and the Squid Sisters instead.

You can't really think of a purge from the perspective of a wishlist, you have to think of what they would actually pursue on a business level and sales and currently maintained franchises are important. If they're willing to burn bridges by rebooting then they're going to burn them all.

Even among them, I'd argue they'd likely keep Ness over Falcon. At least EarthBound gets a big deal made by Nintendo when it gets a rereleased game...