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Here's a topic for everyone here.

Let's say you had to pick between two characters: one character is someone you consider really bland for personal reasons, the other is a character that you consider to be terribly written/portrayed and you despise that character as a result.

If you had to pick between the bland character and that character you hate, which one would you pick and why?

My answer:

The bland character. A bland character does not frustrate me in the way a terribly written/portrayed character does. The bland character would make me yawn and say, "Don't care about you at all," while the terribly written/portrayed character could potentially make me so angry that I might want to scream and end up with a feeling that my blood is boiling (and let me tell you, feeling like your blood boiling from anger is not a pleasant feeling at all).

Basically, I'd rather feel bored and indifferent towards a character than utterly frustrated towards one.
Well, I'm going to assume we're talking in the context of a game, since we're on a gaming site. Because in a game context, I'd much rather deal with someone who's bland than someone I'm annoyed by or hate. I'd rather play someone like Mario or Liu Kang even if they have boring personalities, their playstyle can at least be fun. But I don't think I'd be bothered to play someone like Rufus from Street Fighter or Lili from Tekken, or Athena from KoF. Who I dislike for this or that reason.

If we're talking "blandness" from a gameplay perspective, I might not be the best to ask. Since I do like some "Shoto" type characters like Ryu, Jago, Spider-Man in MvC and Jin Kazama. This also depends on genre, since someone like Mega Man is a jack of all trades in his games, being less flashy than Bass and less intentionally gimped than Protoman. Yet he plays very differently in Smash. Though this doesn't apply to Mega Man X, since each Hunter gets their own major gimmicks.

From a reading and watching point, I'd rather deal with a bland character. But a hated one can garner some discussion.
 

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I mainly had a video game context in mind when I came up with this question.

I thought about the topic from the Peri discussion that took place a page ago, as she would qualify for a character one could consider terribly written/portrayed to the point that person would hate her. Then, I remembered one major criticism against the Birthright characters that many FE fans emphasize: that most of the Birthright cast is "bland." It reminded me of discussions I've seen on Serenes Forest where, in a comparison between two characters, some people picked Peri over Kagero, Peri's Hoshidan counterpart who is commonly criticized for being bland, because they simply do not like bland characters and often usedthe argument, "At least I remember something out of Peri, unlike Kagero."

The Hinoka vs Camilla could also apply to this debate as well. One character is commonly criticized for being bland and forgettable but not very controversial (Hinoka), the other is commonly criticized for being a terribly written character and very controversial (Camilla). You could imagine why some people will pick Camilla over Hinoka or the other way around.
Bland chars can be saved by a cool design, bad chars can't
 
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I think the distinction is that bad characters actually frustrate or even offend you, while bland characters are inoffensive.

Neither is good really but I think with bland characters, they don't have the potential to actually mess with an otherwise good narrative or cast of characters, therefore they're quite inoffensive.

Then you have actually bad characters, like Peri in FE Fates, who actually require other characters to be written badly to make the bad character work. If Peri didn't have the "stabby stabby killy killy" gimmick and had a more mellowed out personality, she'd be more bland, but she wouldn't cause problems for the overall narrative and would probably work fine as an S-Support for most other characters like Xander.
Wrong once again, and this time I'll explain why.

There's nothing to really learn from bland characters, usually bland characters are bare-bones and don't take any risks.

Meanwhile outright bad characters can show you what not to do, you can see why something doesn't work and retool potentially good concepts.
Eh, I guess I can see it. In the context of FE, characters like Corrin, Peri or Story!Xander are really, REALLY, annoying because of how badly written they are while Chrom and Roy, the Bland™ ones, are just there
 
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Eh, I guess I can see it. In the context of FE, characters like Corrin, Peri or Story!Xander are really, REALLY, annoying because of how badly written they are while Chrom and Roy, the Bland™ ones, are just there
I love how quoted two posts saying the opposite of what each other are saying. : ^ )
 

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There are atleast 4 racers in my kart game that would be the only ones considered guest racers and they don't have a kart nor race track or battle map just the racer.

Ronald McDonald, Wendy, Pepsi Man and Barney the Dinosaur.
 

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There are atleast 4 racers in my kart game that would be the only ones considered guest racers and they don't have a kart nor race track or battle map just the racer.

Ronald McDonald, Wendy, Pepsi Man and Barney the Dinosaur.
> Not having a battle map based on the McDonalds Play Place.

Why though.
 

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I mainly had a video game context in mind when I came up with this question.

I thought about the topic from the Peri discussion that took place a page ago, as she would qualify for a character one could consider terribly written/portrayed to the point that person would hate her. Then, I remembered one major criticism against the Birthright characters that many FE fans emphasize: that most of the Birthright cast is "bland." It reminded me of discussions I've seen on Serenes Forest where, in a comparison between two characters, some people picked Peri over Kagero, Peri's Hoshidan counterpart who is commonly criticized for being bland, because they simply do not like bland characters and often usedthe argument, "At least I remember something out of Peri, unlike Kagero."

The Hinoka vs Camilla could also apply to this debate as well. One character is commonly criticized for being bland and forgettable but not very controversial (Hinoka), the other is commonly criticized for being a terribly written character and very controversial (Camilla). You could imagine why some people will pick Camilla over Hinoka or the other way around.
Then the distinction in this case would be that Hinoka is a more likable character, while Camilla is a more interesting character.

Personally, I actually quite like Hinoka as a character. She acts like an actual big sister to Corrin, and while she does have a bit of a tragic backstory element that makes abandoning her for Nohr more painful, they generally don't do anything too ambitious with her character. That's fine though, and overall, she's more defined by her interests and her smaller flaws (like her inability to cook) than some complex character that might only work in a specific context. She also has a sense of development (if you invite her to your room, she'll say things like "It's great to see how much you've matured", which indicates she's growing more accustomed to Corrin's presence and doesn't feel a need to be as over-protective of him/her. She also doesn't come off as overbearing in the Birthright campaign, and is surprisingly calm throughout most of Conquest, even though you can tell she's hurting). Overall, she isn't too deep or complex, nor does she introduce anything groundbreaking to the lore of the game, but I think calling her bland is selling her short, since she has an actually fleshed out personality, background, and set of interests, and also undergoes character development.

Camilla, by comparison, is actually pretty one-note in her personality - despite being the big sister in Nohr, it's evident they were really just trying to fill in the doting MILF archetype that's actually quite popular in Japan/anime circles (makes sense that they would want to do this given that the game has a marriage mechanic. It sounds silly, but they probably tried to fill as many "waifu/husbando" archetypes as possible because of the marriage mechanic). She is defined by this state of being in almost all of her interactions, sometimes with a yandere touch thrown in, rarely ever seeing anything that could be defined as development. What makes people say she is interesting however, is mostly her backstory and the odd touch of something different she gets in occasional supports. Her backstory in particular gives great insight into some of King Garon's deeds and some of the political workings of Nohr. Which is a lot more than what we get from Hinoka's backstory.

For me, I think Hinoka is a more interesting character/person, while Camilla isn't really that interesting at all, but she's written into situations that are really interesting which might fool some people into thinking Camilla herself is interesting.

Also I generally disagree with the notion that Hoshido has a more bland cast. I think Nohr's problem for me has been that characters are bland, badly written, or both, with only a few exceptions. Hoshido has some characters that don't do much for me but none of them really bother me (except for maybe Sakura), and the ones I do take a liking to (Takumi, Rinkah, Kaze, Ryoma, etc), are either super appealing (Ryoma isn't particularly interesting I'll admit but man, the guy exudes Rule of Cool, it's hard not to like him), really interesting, or both.
 
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Oh yeah, Hinoka exists
It's hard to remember that when she just pops up to say "hi i exist" once in each route.
All of them are either disappointing or frustating.
I love how quoted two posts saying the opposite of what each other are saying. : ^ )
Well, you see, ur wrong
 

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The official Bandai Namco Twitter just used a screenshot from a Xenoverse PC mod to meme. The absolute madmen.

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What's even the point of these other mascots if you have the hero that is Pepsiman?
 
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What's even the point of these other mascots if you have the hero that is Pepsiman?
Nah dude, Santa Claus is way better than Pepsi man, he'd destroy him in a fight. Do you realize how strong and fast Santa must be to deliver all of those presents? All while having a nice coke.
 
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Nah dude, Santa Claus is way better than Pepsi man, he'd destroy him in a fight. Do you realize how strong and fast Santa must be to deliver all of those presents? All while having a nice coke.
Santa ain't a mascot though, well not a food mascot anyway. But if he was, he'd move faster by drinking a Pepsi.
 
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Santa ain't a mascot though, well not a food mascot anyway. But if he was, he'd move faster by drinking a Pepsi.
Wrong, the only reason why Santa is the way he is today is because of Coke.

Also, 90% of mascots are better than Pepsiman anyway.
 

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AwesomeAussie27 AwesomeAussie27 @Yomi's Biggest Fan smashkirby smashkirby Why is the main character in the SNES Pilotwings called the Golden Pilot anyway? Does it have to do with the ending's color scheme?;) (Which is more orange in color than gold, maybe calling him the Orange Pilot would have been pretty silly?:laugh:)
To be honest, I think the main reason why we call him the "Golden Pilot" is because:

1) He's nameless, as far as we know.

2) The nickname is (more likely than not) a reference to how the nameless pilot protagonist gains his GOLDEN Pilot's Wings from Big Al by the end of game at 100% completion.

3) You have to admit, it's a pretty gosh-darn cool nickname.
 
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Well the last time they made bold predictions it kind of bit them in the butt and they've been catching a lot of flak for their bolder predictions this time around, so it makes some sense to be a bit more pessimistic so backlash doesn't hit them so hard in the event they do fail.

There's no reason for them to be cocky here, if they want that ten million they have to work hard for it. If they say it's not readily achievable then they're correct, because "readily" means "easily." This isn't gonna happen easily if they want it, but it's still doable.

They seem to be planning on having multiple system sellers revealed at E3, but there aren't really any games with the power to shove units out the door faster than BotW, MK8DX, and eventually Odyssey will have other than Pokemon, and Pokemon's not under primary Nintendo's control as to when it comes over.

Another thing to note is that even if they can keep the demand going, they still have to ensure supply. They can only pump out systems so fast, so if they miscalculate demand somewhere along the way for one reason or another (it's hard to gauge demand from their ridiculously pessimistic fandom, for one thing), then that might be another roadblock.

The best way we can take this is if they have a target they're worried about not meeting then with the effort they've started putting in they'll likely attempt to work harder to make it there. Let's keep in mind that if they sold that 10 million for the fiscal year combined with March's 2.7 million that they'd be about a million away from selling as much as the Wii U did in a lifetime just in the span of a year and a month and more than halfway to matching the Gamecube. That's not a goal to take lightly.
 
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Wrong, the only reason why Santa is the way he is today is because of Coke.
Nah.

Coke owes most of its portrayal of Santa to Thomas Nast's cartoons from the 1860s.

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Beyond that his image had basically been established by the 20th century thanks to some mix of "A Visit From St. Nicholas" and multiple one-shot illustrations.

Coke just worked harder in the 1930s at pimpin the ho ho ho.

In their defense, now I'm thirsty. Damn you, marketing department.
 
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Holy **** the new LWA episode
But first, stuff from episode 17 that I couldn't upload before due to the image uploader

Is it just me or did Amanda in disguise look a lot like Subaru?

Mouse!Akko is 3qt
Actually, all of her transformations are

I can't believe Amanda just turned into a Shonen protagonist
And holy **** the animtion in this fight scene
Now, for episode 18
I loved it, Constanze is such a cinnamon roll

Look at how innocent she is

And somewhere during the production of the episode, this happened
"Hey man, I just realised we haven't done any Gurren Lagann referemces yet"
"WHAT!? PUT SOMD GODDAMN GURREN LAGANN REFERENCES IN THEFE THEN!"
And thus, this was born


IS THAT A MOTHER****ING GURREN LAGANN REFERENCE!?!?

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****, I almost forgot about the smile

I have, like, a whole folder of "smiles that must be protected" and this one goes right in it
 
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Got MSD helping me with the yard work today.

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It can't be E rated if Xenomorph, Jason Vorhees, Predator and Freddy Fasbear are playable.
I'm pretty sure Freddy could still show up in an E-rated context and not look out of place. :V


And it's not like kids don't play FNAF anyway. :p
 
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Nah.

Coke owes most of its portrayal of Santa to Thomas Nast's cartoons from the 1860s.

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Beyond that his image had basically been established by the 20th century thanks to some mix of "A Visit From St. Nicholas" and multiple one-shot illustrations.

Coke just worked harder in the 1930s at pimpin the ho ho ho.

In their defense, now I'm thirsty. Damn you, marketing department.
That's not Santa, Santa is jolly, not creepy.
 

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Tfw people still believe in Santa...



Anyways, Spring Man took the gold metal as the best ARMS fighter. Not to worry Ribbon Girl fans, at least she fared better than MinMin and Mechanica (who both tied last). I'll put the series on hold at least until we get the full roster next month.

For the first time, I'm finally going to be third parties outside Smash starting with Sega. They already have a rich history of IP's and consoles from their history despite being the third party company they are now. I'm starting with one of their earlier hits, apologies if these guys are too obscure.

Your choices are Shinobi's Joe Musashi, Alex Kidd (@Geno Boost), Wonder Boy (@Arcadenik), and Opa Opa from Fantasy Zone. Before anyone asks, "Where's Phantasy Star?", it's better to do the series as a whole because "RPG = too many protagonists".


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