ChikoLad
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RE: One-Punch Shaggy
That's from the movie "Scooby Doo! Legend of the Phantosaur". In the movie, Shaggy gets hypnotised, and the hyponotisation causes him to go through a personality change whenever he hears the word "bad"...where he basically turns into a badass (and reverts to normal whenever he hears it again). This form of Shaggy is officially called "Brave Shaggy", and everything he does is actually his own innate ability - it's just normally, he's too much of a coward to use it. Basically, if Shaggy is Luigi, Brave Shaggy is Mr. L.
He also has a badass biker race in the movie:
RE: Mario & Smash stuff
Mario isn't a stage play overall, that was just SMB3 specifically (which you literally can't interpret any other way because the entire game's aesthetic revolves around it, it's like saying Sonic wasn't in a storybook in Sonic and the Secret Rings). The context of Mario's adventures is different from game to game. Super Mario 64, for example, is a reality TV show (which still means Peach was actually kidnapped, Lakitu was basically like a TV reporter). Mario Kart 8 is a racing sports show. Super Mario Galaxy didn't have any extra bells and whistles to it, it was a thing that happened, and Rosalina's Storybook is confirmed to be "canon" by Yoshiaki Koizumi (i.e. it literally is about her childhood and how she met the Lumas and she simply wrote a storybook out of it, though there's no official word on why exactly she chose to do it). Super Mario Galaxy 2 was implied to be a storybook written by Rosalina, but there is also a hint in the secret ending that it actually happened and that Rosalina simply altered the events into a storybook form (Young Master Luma still has Mario's hat that he stole in the ending). They were also gonna have Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker be a storybook written by Rosalina at one point, but changed their mind mid-development and made that an obvious prequel to Super Mario 3D World (the game's ending is literally the entire opening cutscene of 3D World, except we see Captain Toad fall into the Sprixie Kingdom just after Mario's gang, explaining his presence in 3D World). And the Paper Mario games are confirmed to be set in an alternate storybook realm as of Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam. Super Mario Maker is contextualised as Mario shooting a movie, and the Mystery Mushroom costumes are contextualised as him literally wearing a costume of that character (Mario likes dressing up as his main shqueeze, lol).
If you're thinking of Miyamoto's comment about how he "views Mario like an actor or old cartoon character like Popeye", he didn't actually mean all of the Mario games were fake (that wouldn't make sense because he doesn't direct every Mario game and some things like Galaxy and Rosalina's Storybook are very clearly supposed to be real events). All he meant by that is that there isn't a strict Mario timeline, and the reason for this is because, well, it's harder to franchise something that has a strict timeline (look at Dragoball Z or something like that, it's storyline is a mess). There are just certain bits and pieces that remain "constants" in the Mario universe (Yoshi's Island happened, the Donkey Kong saga happened, Galaxy and Rosalina's Storybook happened, etc), and some games that are pretty self contained but connect to another game (3D World and Captain Toad), but they don't have some set in stone chain of events, just general pieces of lore they adhere to in all of the games, like Bowser being a father to Bowser Jr., Rosalina being god, Mario being the hero, Peach and Mario having an ambiguous relationship, etc. And even then, poor handling of characters or them being given to people who don't understand them has resulted in even THAT being broken.
In regards to Smash, I agree it would be more fun if Nintendo made something where these characters properly interact, but the piece you wrote about "what Smash is about" was phrased as if that's the official word, but it isn't. It's a whole lot simpler than that and not that dark at all.
I get the idea of not always being satisfied with Word of God (known as the "God is Dead" trope, I think). I personally don't look at Sonic games as being all connected like Iizuka implies, I view it like how Mario is - some games are connected but there's no real timeline and they adapt the world and it's laws to the needs of their game (I mean we literally have two distinct versions of Earth in Sonic now, like c'mon - no I'm not referring to "Sonic's World"). I personally despise and ignore a certain detail brought up in the latest Kingdom Hearts game because it ruined one of the greatest and most emotionally impactful scenes in the franchise all so they could unnecessarily shoehorn Aqua into the events of the first game (and I say this as someone who thinks Aqua is bae). And so help me, if Nintendo ever officially cave and say that Rosalina is "Princess Rosalina", I will be ignoring that unless they dedicate a game to thoroughly explaining it properly. Also, apparently some people think Rosalina was a damsel in distress throughout the entirety of Galaxy 2 - that hasn't been officially confirmed and it's BS, but even if was confirmed, I'd still ignore that in discussions of the character and her ability/power level/etc, since Miyamoto hated Rosalina at the time and would actively try to sabotage the character (not making that up, he admitted it himself). I also dislike how she was characterised as a shy wimp in the Wii U verison of Rio Olympics - not only is it completely flanderising her (Rosalina isn't shy, she's reserved, there's a HUGE difference), it's inconsistent with how she acts in the 3DS version of the same game...
...BUT, when asked about what is official or when bringing up official lore, you HAVE to accept what Word of God has said. When it comes to your own personal enjoyment you can filter stuff out, and you can do what you want if you want to make your own fanfic AU or something. But what's official, is official.
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And the two are in the sme universe after all.
