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[Robertman2]

Kirby, DK, and Metroid are all much bigger.

Though Metroid is slipping.

Nope. Metroid has never really been that huge of a series. Why do you think they haven't made one in years? And DK is a spinoff of Mario so it's part of the Mario games.

The day after Nintendo releases the new F-Zero game.


Nintendo is certainly treating it that way. And it's up there in terms of quantity. But AC and Wii and Kirby and DK are all still bigger in general. Even Metroid has had multiple titles sell in excess of FE's best selling title (though how big Metroid is as a series is also exaggerated). Splatoon itself sold more than both Awakening and Fates combined.

But, yeah, currently it's bigger than a lot of those series. And it might eclipse some of them at some point. But it's firmly in the b-tier. Though it used to be pretty much c-tier.

Isn't the Wii series completely dead now?

 

[N3ON]

I'd argue it's on par with them, at least nowadays. It gets regular releases far more often than DK, and about on the level of Kirby.

It got regular releases all the time back in the day too, but DK and Kirby are still more recognizable series. Though it's definitely becoming more of a fixture in Nintendo's showcase.

Still, the quantity of the series doesn't always correlate with its prominence. Look at the series this site is dedicated to.

Nope. Metroid has never really been that huge of a series. Why do you think they haven't made one in years? And DK is a spinoff of Mario so it's part of the Mario games.

Isn't the Wii series completely dead now?

Hope so. But that thing was a juggernaut.

 

[Deleted member]

And DK is a spinoff of Mario so it's part of the Mario games.

Technically, Mario is a spin-off of DK, since the game they both debuted in was called "Donkey Kong" (plus 75m is labeled as a DK stage).

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Technically, Mario is a spin-off of DK, since the game they both debuted in was called "Donkey Kong" (plus 75m is labeled as a DK stage).

Then I guess people shouldn't have been complaining since we got two Donkey Kong Newcomers in the end after all.

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kappa

 

[Robertman2]

Technically, Mario is a spin-off of DK, since the game they both debuted in was called "Donkey Kong" (plus 75m is labeled as a DK stage).

So does that mean technically DK is the best selling game series? The expansion is real.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Don't do this to me man.

Is this real or nah?

Real, same place that leaked Vanessa early.

Funny thing is, the person who leaked (iirc) is a pro level Chinese player, who apparently was asked by SNK to play test the DLC characters (according to his post that got deleted super quickly).

SNK definitely isn't going to have anything to do with him anymore

 

[Chrono.]

I didn't realize how reliant I am on the Sheikah Slate's map until I ended up in an area where it malfunctioned.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Nope. Metroid has never really been that huge of a series. Why do you think they haven't made one in years? And DK is a spinoff of Mario so it's part of the Mario games.

Isn't the Wii series completely dead now?

They have made a Metroid recently.

And you have to remember, for a long time Metroid games came out frequently.
Other M just destroyed that.

I'd argue it's on par with them, at least nowadays. It gets regular releases far more often than DK, and about on the level of Kirby.

Doesn't Kirby still sell much better though?

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

So does that mean technically DK is the best selling game series? The expansion is real.

I think you should mean...

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I'll take my leave for now. Enough meme-posting, I've got university work to get on with.

 

[Aetheri]

Nope. Metroid has never really been that huge of a series. Why do you think they haven't made one in years? And DK is a spinoff of Mario so it's part of the Mario games.

Isn't the Wii series completely dead now?

DKC is it's own series, while the universe is 'technically' connected with Mario it's not exactly a 'spinoff' per se...

Also 17 million units sold is nothing to sneeze at for Metroid...it's biggest problem is that it's very niche in Japan and it's popularity is primarily from the West...It's hiatus had something to do with how well the last game did and the fact that both Retro Studios and Sakamoto went on to do other things since...

Also Federation Force has been in development for a rather long time and that's quite literally all we know of that Nintendo's worked on, despite Reggie's hints...

 

[Chrono.]

Also Federation Force has been in development for a rather long time and that's quite literally all we know of that Nintendo's working on, despite Reggie's hints...

It's been in development so long that they released it last summer.

 

[Deleted member]

I find it kind of bizarre when people say things like "Metroid was never a big franchise, it's always been smaller than Kirby and Star Fox" when I can safely say that it was at least bigger than those two, especially kirby.(Which is a franchise that's definitely growing especially after the period of Metroid's death.) You've got to keep in mind that the franchise hasn't had a good game in almost ten years, you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to say that it's slipped to say the least.

But anyway, I agree that FE is at least treated like it's a huge nintendo franchise with all of the special treatment it's received.

 

[N3ON]

Nope. Metroid has never really been that huge of a series.

Empirically, multiple Metroid games have done better than the best-selling FE game. At least two Metroid games are regarded as seminal titles in gaming.

In the west, Metroid is a bigger series. In the east, it is not.

That said, Metroid is not as big as some people think either. FE is just peaking currently, and Metroid is dormant. Take into account the previous twenty-something years Metroid had the upper hand.

Why do you think they haven't made one in years?

Well first off, they have, but they just keep ****ing up and making missteps as they deliver things people don't want out of Metroid. Much like DK in the interim between Rare and Retro, Nintendo didn't know what to do with the series. Which is dumb because, like with DK, people would generally be happy with more of the same. Didn't make DK an unpopular series, and this gap doesn't make Metroid an unpopular one either.

Also because if the west likes something that the east doesn't, Nintendo usually gives it a pretty short shrift.

And DK is a spinoff of Mario so it's part of the Mario games.

So you're one of those...

lolok.

 

[Aurane]

C'mon man. Just give Samus another job.

Metroid: Prime Rib

Samus must kill the aliens and serve them to hungry customers across the galaxy.

 

[Aetheri]

It always irks me when people say 'Metroid's not that big of a franchise'

I mean sure it's not getting a game every 6 months especially after Other M halted any momentum the series had and we still have yet to see the series bounce back from that, but it's not exactly a niche series by any means...

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Metroid: Prime Rib

yeah wait, whatever happend to that tweet. did anything come of it?

 

[Robertman2]

They have made a Metroid recently.

And you have to remember, for a long time Metroid games came out frequently.
Other M just destroyed that.

Doesn't Kirby still sell much better though?

I forgot Federation Force even existed. I honestly didn't even know it came out

 

[A Distant Demon]

DK has branched off so much that it gets it's OWN spinoffs

I find it very difficult to call it a spinoff anymore with how independent it is as a franchise.


Also Metroid used to be super important. It's just dropped down. Remember that Samus is one of the biggest characters in gaming and always has been. FE is just in the middle of a relevance golden age

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

It always irks me when people say 'Metroid's not that big of a franchise'

I mean sure it's not getting a game every 6 months especially after Other M halted any momentum the series had and we still have yet to see the series bounce back from that, but it's not exactly a niche series by any means...

well if it helps, I dont think Japan likes metroid much from what I read

 

[Deleted member]

In the west, Metroid is a bigger series. In the east, it is not.

Exactly, that's why it's released in the west before it's released in Japan.




That doesn't stop the Hapanese from drawing a ton of porn of Samus though. In fact, I think Samus just gave up her career as a gaming protagonist and became a porn character.

 

[Aurane]

That doesn't stop the Hapanese from drawing a ton of porn of Samus though. In fact, I think Samus just gave up her career as a gaming protagonist and became a porn character.

Well, you gotta have a hobby, and hell if that's her hobby, she is damn good at it. :V

 

[Knight Dude]

I will say the Middle Market getting shrunk in an era of most titles either being AAA games that are usually messes or indie games that have a much larger range of quality (as in either seen as really great, or downright terrible) kind of sucks. And by that, I mean it sucks major horse ****.

I think that's part of the reason many game series is on hiatus. Castlevania, Bomberman even Mega Man and Metroid(to an extent) and many more are good examples of Middle Market/ "A and B" tier series. The Hitman franchise used to be one as well, but it got bolstered up to AAA in order to fit the current market better. It's not that they aren't successful, quite the opposite actually. They have a lot of creative elements put into them, without being "diluted" too heavily by the need to reach mass appeal, they are allowed to fill a niche instead of following a trend to a tee. And they have enough of wide appeal to still be well known.

It's that they are lower risk, lower reward. Those kinds of games usually sell somewhere between 2 million or 500,000(maybe even less than that) and that was a good thing, and it can still be, under the right circumstances. Games like that were cheaper to make, or reused A LOT of assets from other titles to cut costs. Newer Middle Market games like Azure Striker Gunvolt, or most Wayforward titles would fit this. I think Street Fighter could be seen as middle market title as well. But now games have gotten much more expensive and everything seems to be focused on pulling in millions in sales in order to cover the costs. Which in turn leaves franchises that had mid-tier costs to shrink in quantity. It isn't dead, but it's not flourishing as before.

I just find it annoying because quite a few studios are falling thanks to this mentality. These titles offered reasonable funds since they didn't cost an arm and a leg to make barely functioning.

Indie games have new life though, many of which take design elements from those middle market games as well as older AAA titles. Which could a potential reason as to why they succeed in today's market to some extent. Even if they aren't well known and well liked franchises, they scratch an itch to some extent. But I think the real reason is that games are easier find and buy, thanks to online services.

Of course middle market titles that are based on already popular IPs do fine too. A lot of Marvel, DC and Dragon Ball games sell quite well for their budget range to continually get sequels and follow-ups. They also reuse many assets. Whether it's the engine from Spider-Man 2 being used for Ultimate Spider-Man, mechanics from the Batman Arkham games. Or even character models like a bunch of the DBZ and the recent JoJo games.

 

[N3ON]

I find it kind of bizarre when people say things like "Metroid was never a big franchise, it's always been smaller than Kirby and Star Fox" when I can safely say that it was at least bigger than those two, especially kirby.(Which is a franchise that's definitely growing especially after the period of Metroid's death.) You've got to keep in mind that the franchise hasn't had a good game in almost ten years, you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to say that it's slipped to say the least.

But anyway, I agree that FE is at least treated like it's a huge nintendo franchise with all of the special treatment it's received.

...Kirby is a bigger series than Metroid. It's got more games, it's got more higher-selling games, and it's got the highest selling game out of the two series.

It always irks me when people say 'Metroid's not that big of a franchise'

I mean sure it's not getting a game every 6 months especially after Other M halted any momentum the series had and we still have yet to see the series bounce back from that, but it's not exactly a niche series by any means...

Metroid is very popular among gamers, and it's had some seminal titles, as I said, but people magnify the size of its audience many times over.

Exactly, that's why it's released in the west before it's released in Japan.




That doesn't stop the Hapanese from drawing a ton of porn of Samus though. In fact, I think Samus just gave up her career as a gaming protagonist and became a porn character.

It's probably also a factor behind Nintendo not giving it as much attention as some of their other series.

 

[Deleted member]

...Kirby is a bigger series than Metroid. It's got more games, it's got more higher-selling games, and it's got the highest selling game out of the two series.

Looking at it the statistics, you're right. But I'd say that Metroid is more so impressive because it's able to make similar sales(if not more if you compare recent ones, because I got it wrong, Kirby had more sales when it was older with Kirby's dreamland selling the most by far) on just the west alone(Metroid only makes tens of thousands in Japan.) while Kirby's is more so of an international mix. Also keep in mind that IF they actually released more Metroid games it would indeed be a bigger franchise.

Which is was more so what I've been getting at, that it WOULD be bigger if they actually released games for it. I don't know, maybe it could grow if they kept up if it kept consistent quality... Nah, no franchise ever grows in popularity.

 

[Aetheri]

well if it helps, I dont think Japan likes metroid much from what I read

By that I'd say its a general lack of interest rather than a dislike...especially when Retro Studios started developing Metroid games...


Honestly though, probably one of the biggest things holding Metroid back from being a juggernaught is the lack of appeal to a more casual market...It's a game that's basically made for hardcore players, as there is quite the learning curve for newcomers...

I mean look at how the series fared since Nintendo adopted their 'Blue Ocean' strategy with since the WiiDS era...
The only game that was generally positively received was Prime 3 with Hunters being about an average title...and Prime 3 is considered the weakest title in the Trilogy...The other three titles they released since are considered to be the worst of the series...two of them are spin-offs mind you but its still not a very good track record since Nintendo transitioned from GC/GBA to WiiDS...

With this in mind I think it's fairly obvious why we see a lack in titles...It was somewhat out of Nintendo's main focus due to it's overall appeal...and the Wii U's struggles made it even less of a priority...

However with the Switch and the way Nintendo is seemingly handling things currently I am cautiously optimistic about what we could see in the coming years...

 

[Coricus]

Kirby, DK, and Metroid are all much bigger.

Though Metroid is slipping.

Actually, I don't think any of them outsold FE this gen. Previous gens yeah, but Awakening jolted the franchise to life where it had previously been one of Nintendo's lower selling series while Kirby and DK actually took their seats right behind it in terms of sales. It's entirely possible they could overtake it again with the size of the gap, but they aren't thrashing it as of recently.

Animal Crossing and Splatoon are better examples of big sellers for Nintendo this gen than any of the four franchises, TBH.

*EDIT* And I think judging by Mario Kart Nintendo would agree with that observation

 

[Aetheri]

Speaking of Metroid and my current binge of BotW I can't help but notice several parallels between this game and Metroid Prime...


1) Story is completely optional and can be obtained through collecting 'data/memories' from specific locations using special tech that was introduced in the game...

2) Presence of a corrupting substance scattered throughout the world that damages the player when touched...as well as the presence of creatures affected by said substance...especially bosses...

3) Current events of the game are due to devastating cataclysmic events that happened many years prior and the game's story is solely based around those prior events...

4) Ruins located throughout the world show evidence of what was once a well developed and advanced civilization...

5)

Spoiler: heavy spoilers

First form of the final boss is a mutated spider-like abomination of a classic antagonizing aspect of the series, while the second form is the 'true' form of this abomination...it is also completely invincible to all of your attacks except for one specific method that is required to defeat said boss, which also relies on using it's attacks against it...

it was also hanging on the ceiling before the fight started...

6) One of the bosses is a pile of moving rocks...

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Yooka Laylee is removing threads on Steam about the decision on Jontron.

This... was not a wise move.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Yooka Laylee is removing threads on Steam about the decision on Jontron.

This... was not a wise move.

Yeah...

I'll defend them on the decision about JonTron, but removing threads on Steam is not a good idea.

 

[Knight Dude]

I see we're back to talking about Internet drama.

Since I'm going on a bit of a break soon, I might try to get back into the new Gundam series I was watching.

 

[Robertman2]

I'm at the point where I would sacrifice half of humankind so I could I have Rick and Morty season 3

 

[N3ON]

Don't have time to continue the Metroid/FE/Kirby/etc. discussion, but fwiw, I really do believe we will see a Metroid game revealed for Switch in 2017.

 

[Aurane]

Don't have time to continue the Metroid/FE/Kirby/etc. discussion, but fwiw, I really do believe we will see a Metroid game revealed for Switch in 2017.

I hope we do.

And I hope it isn't garbage.

 

[Erureido]

I'd love to see Saber but she'd need someone who's actually on her power level
Not only is Saber way more skilled with a sword than Lucina, but she also got a bunch of magical powers and **** which include a huge ****ing laser

I don't think Lucina vs Saber is the right matchup, even if Lucina can use the power of the Gemstones with the Fachion. Despite having Falchion and skills like Aether with unnatural properties, Lucina is still little more than a medieval warrior while Saber is more on par with that of a superhero, not to mention a sword that shoots a big laser and Avalon giving her invulnerability. And that's not even counting what she could get from her multiple Alternate Versions, especially Lancer Arthuria.
To be more fair, I think Saber would be more on par with a character from Final Fantasy or someone like Thor. I mean, at least a character from Final Fantasy can run up along a wall with her thanks to Dissidia mechanics, not to mention characters like Squall also have their own laser beams.

Edit: Oh, just to mention, I am also aware that Lucina can have an advantage thanks to Saber being part-dragon and Falchion being strong against dragons. But Saber definitely has the advantage in terms of lots of utility and being able to do things like speed across water, run up buildings and other superhero-like things.
2nd Edit: Case in point:

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Another advantage Lucina could have over Saber is the ability to wield lances, a reference to her Great Lord class, and knowing the Fire Emblem triangle, lances beat swords, so that could also help even the game between the two.

But as it's been said, Saber seems too super-hero like for a Death Battle, but it isn't the first time we've had one-sided battles in the past. Ragna vs Sol was a heavily requested Death Battle matchup because of the similarities the two characters share, and look how that turned out: it was incredibly one-sided for Sol.

I only want to see Lucina and Saber fight each other in a Death Battle because both have some very strong similarities with each other. That is, both are female monarchs and swordsmen who have traveled through time in the hopes of saving their kingdom, and they even went as far as disguising their genders (Lucina with her Marth persona and Saber with her hairstyle). If we can't have Lucina and Saber in a Death Battle, they could still fight each other in a One Minute Melee, a.k.a, battles where they don't look into science and stats.

I know that the most popularly requested Death Battle matchup for Saber is Saber vs Erza from Fairy Tale, which definitely fits the superhero female swordswomen thing going on with both of them, but a Death Battle matchup like that would probably not happen for a while since Erza just had a Death Battle of her own.

What do you think of the Berserker vs Hulk matchup though? I mean, both are superhero quality, so it seems like it should be a close battle.

 

[Chrono.]

Made to to Goron City now. Ran into two nasty Guardians on the way though.

Slightly unrelated but I really get a good kick out of tossing Stal heads down cliffs. Something about it is just extremely satisfying.

 

[Coricus]

Anyone want more physical Switch games?

https://mobile.twitter.com/FDG_Games/status/844948632700948480

There's a like bomb popularity gauge going on for physical Monster Boy.

Don't have time to continue the Metroid/FE/Kirby/etc. discussion, but fwiw, I really do believe we will see a Metroid game revealed for Switch in 2017.

Oh I don't doubt it, Nintendo knows the demand is there and I doubt they've spent this entire gen on nothing but a DS holdover and twiddling their thumbs. Reggie said "ask me again by this time next year," I can smell the roasted Space Pirates from here.

TBH I think Metroid fans worry too much, LOL. They've skipped a gen once before and still gotten plenty of games afterwards, I'm sure they'll get something for the Switch as well.

I mean, it's not like it's ever fallen off the face of the earth for multiple decades or anything, right?

. . .Can we have a gen after the NES where both sisters get proper attention on the same system? :<

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I hope we do.

And I hope it isn't garbage.

I don't think we'll ever get another Other M.

Which is the only Metroid garbage.

 

[mario123007]

I'm guessing a lot of people haven't seen JonTron's unlisted video that he shared on his Twitter where he explains his viewpoints more coherently.

I didn't want to post it here when he posted it a couple of days ago, since I didn't think it'd be relevant here. But I might as well share it now since it's topical.

I get what he wants to convey, and people really needs to be subjective and logical when comes to this conversation, even though I don't agree with some things he said. However, I am confused on why he post this video as unlisted and share it via Twitter. Sure, he might get more conflict if he post it publicly on Youtube, but I just think it is better for more people to see this video.

 

[Delzethin]

I've been...so worn down. Why is it that whenever I get my head above water, something comes along and shoves me back under?

On a side note, if anyone here has graphic design experience, I have a question:

How would one 1) put text at an angle like on the top left, and 2) create the paint effect behind said text?

And if you also knew where to find a background similar to the one used in the image, as well as a way that'd allow me to alter its color to whatever I wanted, it'd be much appreciated.

 

[Burruni]

Another advantage Lucina could have over Saber is the ability to wield lances, a reference to her Great Lord class, and knowing the Fire Emblem triangle, lances beat swords, so that could also help even the game between the two.

But as it's been said, Saber seems too super-hero like for a Death Battle, but it isn't the first time we've had one-sided battles in the past. Ragna vs Sol was a heavily requested Death Battle matchup because of the similarities the two characters share, and look how that turned out: it was incredibly one-sided for Sol.

I only want to see Lucina and Saber fight each other in a Death Battle because both have some very strong similarities with each other. That is, both are female monarchs and swordsmen who have traveled through time in the hopes of saving their kingdom, and they even went as far as disguising their genders (Lucina with her Marth persona and Saber with her hairstyle). If we can't have Lucina and Saber in a Death Battle, they could still fight each other in a One Minute Melee, a.k.a, battles where they don't look into science and stats.

I know that the most popularly requested Death Battle matchup for Saber is Saber vs Erza from Fairy Tale, which definitely fits the superhero female swordswomen thing going on with both of them, but a Death Battle matchup like that would probably not happen for a while since Erza just had a Death Battle of her own.

What do you think of the Berserker vs Hulk matchup though? I mean, both are superhero quality, so it seems like it should be a close battle.

There's one issue with the "Lance Lucina is an advantage" matter.

Fate series triangle is the inverse.