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[Deleted member]

You might be thinking of FE5. FE4 is considered pretty easy by most people these days.

Edit: By Fire Emblem standards, at least.

Huh, I thought it was the other way around. I'll have to see for myself if I ever get around to playing those games.

 

[Deleted member]

Bors is a pretty good unit though.

That is the dumb looking Knight you get in the first chapter, right? He was my first glimpse on how bad Knights were, he was dead by fhe time the ofher two joined

If you thinks FE6 hates armors, wait until you play FE4. Or basically any other FE game, except Fates apparently.

Oswin, he's basically FE7's only Knight, is pretty good though
And Gilliam and Amelia are great in FE8, then again, everyone is good in FE8

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Oswin, he's basically FE7's only Knight, is pretty good though
And Gilliam and Amelia are great in FE8, then again, everyone is good in FE8

>Amelia
>Great

Oswin is the exception thanks to his join time and exceptional base stats. Armors throughout most of Fire Emblem have generally ranged from mediocre to atrocious.

I will give you that Wendy is bad even for an armored unit, and is a contender for the worst unit in the entirety of Fire Emblem.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Rockruff the Physical Eeveelution?

Interesting theory but what does that have to do with the starters (I know they're teasing the 4 are hiding something special but I don't see the connection with this theory)?

 

[Deleted member]

>Amelia
>Great

Oswin is the exception thanks to his join time and exceptional base stats. Armors throughout most of Fire Emblem have generally ranged from mediocre to atrocious.

I will give you that Wendy is bad even for an armored unit, and is a contender for the worst unit in the entirety of Fire Emblem.

She's a General that can double, what's not great about her?

 

[Robert of Normandy]

She's a General that can double, what's not great about her?

She has terrible bases and mediocre growths. She's not going to be doubling anything when you first get here, and with so many other units who start out better, why would you ever bother training her?

And if you do somehow get her to the point where she can promote to General, she's going to be locked at 4 move for most of that time, and eventually only going to be able to manage 5 move. Sure, she can double...if she can get to any enemy before Seth/Franz/Vanessa/anyone else get to them first. And even if she does double anything, with that 35% Strength growth and 4 base Strength, it's questionable if she'll be doing any significant damage. Going by her averages, she NEVER hits any of her Strength caps if you follow her General line, so....yeah.

 

[Burruni]

There have been two times I've felt that a Knight/General has done exceptionally for me.

One is Gaiden because Gaiden is jank as hell.

This is the other.
"But Wolf isn't an armor class"
Oh I made him one.
It was stupid.
And unstoppable.

 

[Deleted member]

She has terrible bases and mediocre growths. She's not going to be doubling anything when you first get here, and with so many other units who start out better, why would you ever bother training her?

And if you do somehow get her to the point where she can promote to General, she's going to be locked at 4 move for most of that time, and eventually only going to be able to manage 5 move. Sure, she can double...if she can get to any enemy before Seth/Franz/Vanessa/anyone else get to them first. And even if she does double anything, with that 35% Strength growth and 4 base Strength, it's questionable if she'll be doing any significant damage. Going by her averages, she NEVER hits any of her Strength caps if you follow her General line, so....yeah.

She always turned out great when I played the game, guess she got blessed
First time she was a Paladin and the second she was a General with boots so her move was never an issue
And her bases don't matter much as this is FE8, which means you can grind as much as you want
But looking at her growths for the first time... wow, is she really that bad? My Amelia REALLY got RNG blessed then
Besides, Amelia X Franz supports are enough of a reason to use her

 

[Robert of Normandy]

There have been two times I've felt that a Knight/General has done exceptionally for me.

One is Gaiden because Gaiden is jank as hell.

This is the other.
"But Wolf isn't an armor class"
Oh I made him one.
It was stupid.
And unstoppable.

FE11 Wolf is Amazing regardless of what class you make him, though.

In terms of armors that have been amazing for me, though...

Spoiler

I also had a pretty good Bors the last time I played FE6 NM but I don't have screenshots and I erased the save. :[

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I enjoyed using Gilliam as a general in FE8.

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

Earlier you guys talked about why you still come to Smashboards and what keeps you coming back? Hope nobody minds this late reply, but it's a relatively familiar story for me - Post Robin's reveal, I was still baffled as to why Sakurai chose Robin over Chrom until I found a link that led me to the site. Eventually I decided to make an account and eventually join the character speculation threads and embark on Sakurai's wild ride that was Smash 4 and the DLC.

Nowadays, speculation is over for me, and I only now frequent RTC renewed, the Nintenzone and that's about it. I did temporarily leave a while back because of studies, but only when I think I'm ready to finally say good bye, I'll never leave.

You won't let me leave.

I'm stuck here.

Reading madness and chaos.

Even making chaos as I write this.

I'm getting philosophical again.

So the Nintenzone is why I keep frequenting this site.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

I dont think i could leave this place if i wanted too.I mean i left for like a month but that was because of some irl stuff To be honest without this place i probably be out the loop in everything gaming because of my school schedule

 

[A Distant Demon]

First off you wre right it was chapter 4. Don't know how i got them confused.

Second

he was dead by fhe time the ofher two joined

. . . how?
The only threat to knights would be chapter 6. And only barely since that chapter is pretty basic. Unless Nors was level 1 still im not sure how he could die without terrible RNG or really bad play.


Oswin is a beast though. I don't think he is as fast as Bors, but he was a hell of a lot more tanky and instantly killed EVERYONE.
For that last defend Chapter he pretty much just walked straight to the boss, taking the entire enemy army with him so Jaffar could one shot him.

That chapter is way too easy for the last nin-finale chapter though



Probably wont get to FE11 or 8 for a while befause 7 straight into 6 is a bit much. It was a great experience and all, but i dont think i can make it 3 lol.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

She always turned out great when I played the game, guess she got blessed
First time she was a Paladin and the second she was a General with boots so her move was never an issue
...
But looking at her growths for the first time... wow, is she really that bad? My Amelia REALLY got RNG blessed then
Besides, Amelia X Franz supports are enough of a reason to use her

Personal experience counts for nothing.

Spoiler: To illustrate

This was how Ward turned out for one of my Friends playing FE6.

For reference, here are Ward's Growths: http://serenesforest.net/binding-blade/characters/growth-rates/
and averages: http://serenesforest.net/binding-blade/characters/average-stats/normal-mode/wade/

Any character can potentially end up turning out "amazing" thanks to the RNG.

And her bases don't matter much as this is FE8, which means you can grind as much as you want

Sure, you could. But by the time you get her, you probably already have units who are going to be doing better than her. And even if you do spend all that time babying her, do you really end up getting anything especially more useful than any other unit out of it?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

First off you wre right it was chapter 4. Don't know how i got them confused.

Second
. . . how?
The only threat to knights would be chapter 6. And only barely since that chapter is pretty basic. Unless Nors was level 1 still im not sure how he could die without terrible RNG or really bad play.


Oswin is a beast though. I don't think he is as fast as Bors, but he was a hell of a lot more tanky and instantly killed EVERYONE.
For that last defend Chapter he pretty much just walked straight to the boss, taking the entire enemy army with him so Jaffar could one shot him.

That chapter is way too easy for the last nin-finale chapter though



Probably wont get to FE11 or 8 for a while befause 7 straight into 6 is a bit much. It was a great experience and all, but i dont think i can make it 3 lol.

So you're saying...

People who dislike FE6 need to get good.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Probably wont get to FE11 or 8 for a while befause 7 straight into 6 is a bit much. It was a great experience and all, but i dont think i can make it 3 lol.

If you're worried about difficulty, don't. FE8 is pretty easy, even without grinding on it's highest difficulty.

 

[Deleted member]

. . . how?
The only threat to knights would be chapter 6. And only barely since that chapter is pretty basic. Unless Nors was level 1 still im not sure how he could die without terrible RNG or really bad play.

Getting doubled by pretty much everything is a death sentence

That chapter is way too easy for the last nin-finale chapter though

How can you call Battle Before Dawn "easy"?

 

[A Distant Demon]

So you're saying...

People who dislike FE6 need to get good.

FE6 definitely has its problems i wont deny that.

I can see why people wouldn't like it ESPECIALLY if they put a lot of focus on their lords (The fact that FE7 AKA lords, the game, is attached to it doesnt help). If that is their strategy they just wont be able to succeed. Roy can hold his own and survive just fine, but you need other people on the frontlines. Roy's promotion is just way too late and they're right about that. Thankfully you get Units like Deke, Rutger, Bors, Raigh, Lance, etc. to do just that and that is just the ones I used.

There are some bad maps too but like i said what games dont? (Admittedly those liws were a little lowerthan 7's)


IDK i didn't have any problems and it seems like quite a few problems are overblown.

Im gonna guess all the hate for the writing comes from the terrible translation that Zoroarking was playing though.

It's bad.

If you're worried about difficulty, don't. FE8 is pretty easy, even without grinding on it's highest difficulty.

That's what i've heard, and as much as I want a lord who uses a lance as their primary weapon and isn't on a horse, I can only take so much Tactical RPG before I need a break.

2 games is my need.

Getting doubled by pretty much everything is a death sentence

How can you call Battle Before Dawn "easy"?

Bors has decent speed though. Either I got GOAT RNG or you got absolutely ****ed by RNG lol.

Also the last defend chapter is the one where

Spoiler

You defend Ostia's throne

Unless that's a survive chapter for some reason even though tou get told to protect the throne.


Even then that That chapter easnt that hard either
Zephiel is on a pillar and Jaffar can hold his own. Unless you walk into the range of bolting. (which there is no way to know you will get one shot because it's a fog chapter! Took one wrong step there was no way to predict? Reset!) there really aren't any threats in that map. I just had Eliwood and Florina pretty much just stood in the hallway and we won witn no danger.

 

[_Sheik]

As a training session of sorts for my personal endeavors, I decided to write the story of Mother 3 in full French prose before I get back to making my own fictions. Rule: I cannot look at the recently-released French fan translation at all, only basing myself on the English one (thanks Clyde Tomato Mandelin for that one). Some puns are gonna be a pain in the rear to translate (mostly thinking of 'The vines go up because they're divine'), but I can make it. It still leaves me wondering how the French team who handled it dealt with that one.

Oh well. I'll go for a singular approach, trying to put emphasis on the hidden background meaning and society-esque tidbits that are so dear to Shigesato Itoi and perhaps make the PSI powers and 'dash' ability a bit more of a key element to the story-telling aspect of the project.

Unsure if I'll ever translate my prose into English, but I just wanted to share this with you guys.

 

[ChikoLad]

I have several questions.

Spoiler

 

[Deleted member]

I can see why.

The whole "let's change the entire gameplay of the game for the final boss" shtick is so played out.

That's basically the main problem that i have.

That is just one of the problems for me......

Spoiler: In case someone hasn't plated Planet Robobot yet

You see, for me a Final Boss should be a culmination of the Game's Mechanics and should be the point in which all of the skills you have learned and put to use troughout the game come togheter in one last encounter.

The Final Fight against Star Dream brigns a whole new control scheme on your lap and asks you to learn it while you fight what should be the hardest boss of the entire game.

If it wasn't by the fact that i played Star Fox (which made me familiriazed with the Control Scheme) this boss would probably have been way more difficult for me.

But to be honest, the boss was easy, since all you have to do was literally hold B during the entire fight, and ocasionally dodge projectiles (or simply do a Aileron Roll that makes you invunerable to those projectiles) and absorb the missiles/meteors/clocks you destroy and then press A to shoot the Star Projectile that does more damage.

Some of the problems that i have with this boss-fight are similar to Zero-Two (changing the game mechanics completey to make it look "Cooler" or something, the boss fight beign too easy) but there's one, ONE probelm that makes this boss fight way worse than Zero Two's Boss Fight........

...........and that is that the fight is way, way too long.

The boss might be easy, but that doesn't mean it's short.........oh no, it isn't.


My thumb was literally hurting because i kept holding B for so damn long, not to mention that i barely did any damage. Seriously, i was wondering if i was actually damaging the boss or i was just missing its weak spot. Turns out that i was damaging it, it just took barely any damage because of course you are gonna make the final boss a damage sponge when said boss is already long enough as it is.

Maybe i wouldn't mind the lenght if the boss was so............well, boring and dare i say, tedious. By the time i was close to defeating the second form, i asked to myself something that a game should never make me ask: "When does this end?"

First it was Mecha Knight + which was fun (really liked the homage to Revenge of Meta Knight with the music there) then there was President Haltman, which was a little annoying since he tended to jump around all over the place which made him hard to attack, but it was still a fun and solid fight......but Star Dream.......

When the 3rd from appears, you find out that Star Dream is Nova or something i don't know, at that point i just wanted to end it, so didn't care about that. That's how boring the fight was for me.

What's worse is that the game already has shooting stages, with a similar gameplay to that of games like Gradius, yet the Final Boss uses a gameplay scheme similar to that of Star Fox, which makes me wonder why they dind't sitck with the Robobot Jet Formula, since what they had to do was simply swap the Jet Robobot with the Halberd.

THAT at least would have solved the whole "change the gameplay to something completely new and different during the Final Boss for no damn reason" probelm that i have (though i don't think that would have made it a good Final Boss Fight either).

It's a shame, because Triple Deluxe had such an amazing Final Boss Fight against Queen Sectonia (it actually put your the skills you leared throughout the game to the test, the gameplay changes were WAY less drastic and obtrusive, and it was acutally challenging and engaging for the right reasons) so the fact that they followed that with THIS..........wow.

To be honest, not even the Final Fight music was that good in my opinion, though to be honest some of the tracks of Planet Robobot were just not that catchy and sometimes even forgettable for me. Then again, im not a fan of Techno/Futuristic music in general (and said style of music takes a good chunk of the game's Soundtrack) , and my favorite track of the game (the one used in the Casino-Syled Levels) is anything but Techno/Futuristic, but i digress.

Don't even get me started on Star Dream Soul OS, that is just on a completely different level of bad.

Planet Robobot is still a great game though, and i recommend to anyone who wants to get on some Kirby action.

...Just prepare for what is essentially one of the worst Final Boss fights in Kirby History, at least for me anyway.

 

[BluePikmin11]

What SNES games should I get on the Wii Shop Channel? I prefer that I play VC games on an old school TV.

I want a few that are story based games. I already got Chrono Trigger as a lock.

So that leaves only two SNES choices I could get.

I already own Super Mario RPG, Super Mario Kart, and Super Mario World by the way.

Any suggestions?

 

[Substitution]

I have several questions.

Spoiler

View attachment 111529

You only need one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_Me_Love_You_(Mario_song)

 

[Deleted member]

What SNES games should I get on the Wii Shop Channel? I prefer that I play VC games on an old school TV.

I want a few that are story based games. I already got Chrono Trigger as a lock.

So that leaves only two SNES choices I could get.

I already own Super Mario RPG, Super Mario Kart, and Super Mario World by the way.

Any suggestions?

A Link to the Past
Super Metroid
Super Punch-Out!!
Mega Man X1 and X2 (I'd recommend X3 as well, but it's only on Wii U VC and the only way to legally play it on an original Wii is via the GameCube X Collection, which is pretty expensive.)
Final Fantasy VI

 

[BluePikmin11]

A Link to the Past
Super Metroid
Super Punch-Out!!
Mega Man X1 and X2 (I'd recommend X3 as well, but it's only on Wii U VC and the only way to legally play it on an original Wii is via the GameCube X Collection, which is pretty expensive.)
Final Fantasy VI

I definitely want to get FF6, but its apparently not there on the Wii Shop even when I search for publishers.

Only 3 FF titles are there.

 

[PushDustIn]

My SG t-shirt arrived in the mail today!

Spoiler

T-shirt arrived in time for #BitSummit! @BitSummit pic.twitter.com/jOThI2Qz5h

— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) July 5, 2016

Will be wearing it to BitSummit!

Also, I guess I need to post a picture of myself soon, since people will be able to tell who I am. Hmmm...

 

[ChikoLad]

Speaking of Virtual Console...

I hope Nintendo release the original Super Smash Bros on the Wii U VC soon.

I know it's on the Wii VC but it's easier to have it on the Wii U one since there's better controller options and you can play on the GamePad.

 

[Deleted member]

I definitely want to get FF6, but its apparently not there on the Wii Shop even when I search for publishers.

It should be there under the name "FINAL FANTASY III". I just checked the Wii Shop Channel myself.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/RWBY/comments/4r8z8f/rtx_rwby_related_overview/

"RWBY: GE will be coming to consoles by the end of the year."

So the Wii U might actually get another release at the end of the year?

Also wtf is a 'Paper Mario: Colour Splash'? :^)

 

[Chrono.]

Lmaooo some guy speedrunning Bioshock @ SGDQ had his run interrupted when his computer started updating to Windows 10.

 

[BluePikmin11]

It should be there under the name "FINAL FANTASY III". I just checked the Wii Shop Channel myself.

Oh yeah I forgot in America it was changed to FF3 because the other FF titles were never localized.

 

[AndreaAC]

Lmaooo some guy speedrunning Bioshock @ SGDQ has his run interrupted when his computer starts updating to Windows 10.

Another reason to believe Windows 10 is the definition of evil, aside from the constant blue screen of death messages and the damn searchbar only working whenever it feels like it.

 

[Chrono.]

Another reason to believe Windows 10 is the definition of evil, aside from the constant blue screen of death messages and the damn searchbar only working whenever it feels like it.

Tbh Win10 has never given me any major problems.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

I personally never really had a problem with Windows 10.

 

[AndreaAC]

Tbh Win10 has never given me any major problems.

It gave to me these problems I mentioned before, first being the blue screen with Kernel Security check failure, it got "fixed" and now it gives me Watchdog Violation error, and about the search bar, it still happens and how much it pisses me off.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I've had slight searchbars issues(and to be fair, the Start Menu is pretty trashy in 10), but never blue screened. But I realized I had to update my browser anyway, which explained why it was going super slow.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Lmaooo some guy speedrunning Bioshock @ SGDQ had his run interrupted when his computer started updating to Windows 10.

You are saying he didnt just update already? He should just update. Better late then never

 

[Deleted member]

A Link to the Past
Super Metroid
Super Punch-Out!!
Mega Man X1 and X2 (I'd recommend X3 as well, but it's only on Wii U VC and the only way to legally play it on an original Wii is via the GameCube X Collection, which is pretty expensive.)
Final Fantasy VI

BluePikmin11 I can't believe I forgot the Donkey Kong Country games when typing that list! I recommend those too.

EDIT: And Super Castlevania IV.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

lol, He gave people the wrong ending

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm considering getting Super Castlevania, but I also kind of want to try out Secret of Mana, cause I heard that was a pretty good RPG.

Maybe Super Metroid or Link to the Past, since I'm really into open-world games like Zelda NES now.