Social NintenZone Social 4 - Bring It In, Guys!

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Okay, but here's a question. Whenever a male and female character are just "having a good time" and then start makin' out do you feel that it was "forced" or something?

Iirc, this is something people had a problem with both of Thor's movies with Jane Foster and Thor.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I thought of another pokemon. Bonbomb. It's fire type currently. Looks like one of thse wrapped candies.

BonBon Bomb, I love it

 

[praline]

BonBon Bomb, I love it

It probably won't evolve though.

 

[RamOne]

Crap, that was quick lol.

You can't go wrong with my 16-bit smexyiness though. Did you draw your avi?

No, I think I found it on some forum discussing Advance Wars. Can't remember the name, though. I also never asked for permission so that's why I'm never using this one anymore.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

It probably won't evolve though.

No need, Bon Bons are best the way they are

No, I think I found it on some forum discussing Advance Wars. Can't remember the name, though. I also never asked for permission so that's why I'm never using this one anymore.

Wait hold up thats someone elses icon?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

In my moon version, I have an open portal to the Ultra Space

I noticed that egg hatching uses Ultra Space as a location

So, I can have Pokemon with the hatched location of Ultra Space, which I think is awesome

I'm specifically going to stop at this point and hatch eggs in Ultra Space, just because that's a rare location to have

 

[ChikoLad]

Uhm... what?

So what are the contradictions with the main game and her sexuality? And no, the themes of a story don't matter to that.
And it's not hard to write a gay character, you just write a character and have them be attracted the same sex. And Ellie is a good character so I don't see how she's not a good gay character too

Throughout the entire game, she seems actively disinterested in sexuality and a person's appearance (which factors into sexual attraction, obviously). One notable example is in Pittsburgh, where you can have an optional conversation with her after coming across an advertisement featuring a female model, where she talks about not understanding the point in grooming one's appearance, especially dieting to look nicer. And at many points in the game, she goes on about how it's funny that girl's had to worry about little more than looking nice and finding love before the outbreak happened. Ellie doesn't at any point come off as gay, or come off as straight in the main game. She comes off as actively disinterested in any and all romantic or sexual relations. She seems much more interested in, and in need of, feeling like she has a family she belongs to. Which is why Joel ends up becoming a father figure to her.

Making her gay is tacked on, forced, contradictory to material in the game, and irrelevant to the story they have been setting up, therefore adding nothing to the narrative, making it feel like nothing more than a cheap attention grab than an earnest attempt to add something compelling to the character. Unlike how they handled Bill, which is the real kicker I feel - it wouldn't be as bad if they didn't set themselves a standard with Bill, who is an example of a gay character done right. It didn't require an interview to confirm it because his actions had enough nods to the fact in-game for it to feel like a natural, forgone conclusion after a certain point, and it didn't contradict any of his actions. And it made sense in context because he is a survivor, born well before the apocalypse happened, so he can feasibly grasp the now old and dated concepts of sexuality in this post apocalyptic world.

Chiko and Shinshoe are getting into a lot of long debates recently.

Wonder why you two keep doing this,

It tends to happen when you take someone who is overly cold and logical, and have them say things that a much more emotional person doesn't agree with.

This is neither a compliment or an insult towards either party.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I'm the generic harem protagonist and you're all my *******

This thread ain't big enough for 2 harems. . .or attractive enough

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Who wants some hot, sexy music?

 

[Aetheri]

Is this gay argument still going on?

Everytime a character's revealed to be gay there's somekind of argument going on....

The only issue with characters being gay is how people make it an issue...

 

[MF Viewtiful]

You interested in some X-Men Vs. Street Fighter casuals at some point?

I'm down for sure man. Just let me know when. Same goes for anyone here for any game we share really.

 

[ChikoLad]

Is this gay argument still going on?

Everytime a character's revealed to be gay there's somekind of argument going on....

The only issue with characters being gay is how people make it an issue...

No, nothing is absolute. You can mess up a portrayal of a gay character, or your representation of the concept of being gay, and misuse it in many other ways. Just like anything else in a narrative.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm late to the conversation and don't even know what character you guys are talking about, but I can practically shut it down by saying that being gay has no defining characteristics other than being attracted to the same sex, period.

It doesn't really matter if their characteristics match. Many gay people don't "come off as gay" unless they were to talk about it or if you were to see them with their partner.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I breed 2 wimpods, they are both level 1

They both have perfect IV's

BUT, their stats are different?

Edit: Oh duh. One has EV's

 

[Mythra]

Today I finally learned how to use Netflix.

Bruh, I thought I had to pay a small charge for every movie I wanted to see; I've been living under a rock, yo.

 

[praline]

I breed 2 wimpods, they are both level 1

They both have perfect IV's

BUT, their stats are different?

Just cause they both have perfect ivs doesnt mean theyll turn out the same.

 

[Deleted member]

Throughout the entire game, she seems actively disinterested in sexuality and a person's appearance (which factors into sexual attraction, obviously). One notable example is in Pittsburgh, where you can have an optional conversation with her after coming across an advertisement featuring a female model, where she talks about not understanding the point in grooming one's appearance, especially dieting to look nicer. And at many points in the game, she goes on about how it's funny that girl's had to worry about little more than looking nice and finding love before the outbreak happened. Ellie doesn't at any point come off as gay, or come off as straight in the main game. She comes off as actively disinterested in any and all romantic or sexual relations. She seems much more interested in, and in need of, feeling like she has a family she belongs to. Which is why Joel ends up becoming a father figure to her.

Making her gay is tacked on, forced, contradictory to material in the game, and irrelevant to the story they have been setting up, therefore adding nothing to the narrative, making it feel like nothing more than a cheap attention grab than an earnest attempt to add something compelling to the character. Unlike how they handled Bill, which is the real kicker I feel - it wouldn't be as bad if they didn't set themselves a standard with Bill, who is an example of a gay character done right. It didn't require an interview to confirm it because his actions had enough nods to the fact in-game for it to feel like a natural, forgone conclusion after a certain point, and it didn't contradict any of his actions. And it made sense in context because he is a survivor, born well before the apocalypse happened, so he can feasibly grasp the now old and dated concepts of sexuality in this post apocalyptic world.



It tends to happen when you take someone who is overly cold and logical, and have them say things that a much more emotional person doesn't agree with.

This is neither a compliment or an insult towards either party.

Thing is, attraction doesn't equate to sexuality
Someone can be attracted to a person without it being sexual.
This is why some people are asexual but seek relationships and why kids are being able to fall in love.
Ellie may not be interested or understand in all that sexual stuff yet but she already understands what it is to like someone. For her, a kiss is a demonstration of love, and that's what she was trying to convey at the moment

 

[ChikoLad]

I'm late to the conversation and don't even know what character you guys are talking about, but I can practically shut it down by saying that being gay has no defining characteristics other than being attracted to the same sex, period.

It doesn't really matter if their characteristics match. Many gay people don't "come off as gay" unless they were to talk about it or if you were to see them with their partner.

The issue isn't her "not obviously being gay". Bill isn't obviously gay, and that's not a problem.

Ellie is actively shown to be asexual and aromantic in the main game, due to the fact that she is a 14 year old kid in a post apocalyptic world who logically speaking, shouldn't have an exposure to the concept of sexual identity. And they change and contradict that to pander to a minority.

Saying you can shut an argument down by saying one thing without actually having any knowledge about the subject matter, is just the pinnacle of blind arrogance and ignorance.

 

[Coricus]

I think if I wrote a character, I would likely have them identify as both asexual and aromantic.

So many things seem to revolve around the question "Who do you want to be in a relationship with?" with various kinds of emotional baggage to it. There's almost the implication that someone -has- to be looking for a relationship or there's something wrong with them. It might actually be more interesting if the answer was "No thanks, I don't really see or feel about anyone that way."

I also feel as though sometimes people seem to think that romantic relationships are the ONLY kind of love a human being can feel, so it might be a good idea for such a character to still explore friendship and family-like bonds even if they aren't looking for someone to neck with.


Alternatively, a character could be some kind of eldritch abomination that simultaneously exists as all possible categories relevant to debate and none at the exact same time. Hilarity ensues because they're actually really into Deviantart.

 

[Ura]

I love how OoT's Master Quest makes the Great Deku Tree, the most pathetically easy dungeon in the Zelda series actually challenging to beat.

That's what I love about this version. It adds complexity to my favorite game of all time.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I save all my characters from this Sexual stuff and make them all animals
you know, Just rabbits Tada, Im free from any of those topics

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I now have Golisopod 3.0

He's identical to 2.0, but has his egg hatching location as Ultra Space!\

Edit: Also it's a male, while 2.0 was female. Almost identical

 

[Coricus]

I save all my characters from this Sexual stuff and make them all animals
you know, Just rabbits Tada, Im free from any of those topics

That. . .may be the wrong animal to pick for that.

 

[A Distant Demon]

I save all my characters from this Sexual stuff and make them all animals
you know, Just rabbits

Maybe rabbits isn't the best choice to keep animals away from being sexual


With their multiplication skills and all that. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
This is a sign I should be asleep

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

That. . .may be the wrong animal to pick for that.

It wouldnt be any better if I said dogs. they can have 5-8 pups lol

Also wasn't the point I was trying to get across. you dont fight over wtf the sexual orientation of a rabbit is

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I'm down for sure man. Just let me know when. Same goes for anyone here for any game we share really.

Sounds good. You use GGPO or Fightcade?

 

[Coricus]

It wouldnt be any better if I said dogs. they can have 5-8 pups lol

Also wasn't the point I was trying to get across

I know, I know, I understand the point and I agree with it.

Just thought I'd shoot the fish in the barrel for cheap comedy.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I save all my characters from this Sexual stuff and make them all animals
you know, Just rabbits Tada, Im free from any of those topics

You are aware of what Rabbits are known for, right?

 

[MF Viewtiful]

Sounds good. You use GGPO or Fightcade?

Fightcade. I think most of the player base is there anyways.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I just leaned the other day, from Gnoggin's video, that mammals usually have more nipples than their usual litter of children

Including humans, who usually only have 1 child.

 

[Fluttershy]

I love how OoT's Master Quest makes the Great Deku Tree, the most pathetically easy dungeon in the Zelda series actually challenging to beat.

That's what I love about this version. It adds complexity to my favorite game of all time.

The great deku tree was a bit hard on my first go but the only dungeons I remember having trouble with was the fire temple and Ganon's Tower (fire portion) with the later one forcing me to stop playing it because I didn't know what to do..

 

[Coricus]

you dont fight over wtf the sexual orientation of a rabbit is

Uhh. . .considering the fights furry fandoms get into over shipping this may not be the most safe statement to make, LOL. Not counting the fact that if some pet owners force obligate carnivores onto vegan diets they might try to make up an identification for their pet on the fly too and insist on it.

People will fight over anything, they just probably shouldn't.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I bet my rabbit is super angry I never letting her have any um kits.

Baby rabbits are called Kits,which is short for kitten huh

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Fightcade. I think most of the player base is there anyways.

No worries, just gotta re-download it and I should be all good.

Also, does it matter what version of XvSF it is? I got the (961004 Euro) version of it.

 

[Fluttershy]

When I had rabbits the two of them were said to be different genders and they started making nests like they were about to have baby rabbits but they never did.. apparently they were both female and the person who said that one of them was male made a mistake.. it's a shame because I wanted to see them have baby rabbits

 

[Deleted member]

The issue isn't her "not obviously being gay". Bill isn't obviously gay, and that's not a problem.

Ellie is actively shown to be asexual and aromantic in the main game, due to the fact that she is a 14 year old kid in a post apocalyptic world who logically speaking, shouldn't have an exposure to the concept of sexual identity. And they change and contradict that to pander to a minority.

Saying you can shut an argument down by saying one thing without actually having any knowledge about the subject matter, is just the pinnacle of blind arrogance and ignorance.

I can say I can shut it down because you're simpily overcomplicating something so simple. Arrogant on my part? Yes. Ignorant? No.

I may not know the specific franchise before, but I've heard your arguements by many other people.

By the time 14 perhaps you (likely) don't have sexual interest per say but you can have romantic interest. And regardless of whether or not you show it through external characteristics or actions.

Take a middle school boy for instance, and say he's seemingly anti social and asexual. While it may seem that way, perhaps internally he does find romantic interest in girls and want to be socially liked. Also people tend to find attraction regardless of the conceptial idea of it, which is more like an influence rather than a cause.

 

[MF Viewtiful]

No worries, just gotta re-download it and I should be all good.

Also, does it matter what version of XvSF it is? I got the (961004 Euro) version of it.

Works for me.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Works for me.

Cool. I'm assuming your name is going to be the one I saw in the MvC1 video you posted, so I'm ready when you are I guess

 

[Ura]

The great deku tree was a bit hard on my first go but the only dungeons I remember having trouble with was the fire temple and Ganon's Tower (fire portion) with the later one forcing me to stop playing it because I didn't know what to do..

You're talking about the Master Quest versions right? Just making sure.

IIRC there's this one key that's brutally hard to find in the MQ Fire Temple that frustrated the hell out of me. I dread going back to the Fire Temple in this playthrough.

 

[ChikoLad]

I can say I can shut it down because you're simpily overcomplicating something so simple. Arrogant on my part? Yes. Ignorant? No.

I may not know the specific franchise before, but I've heard your arguements by many other people.

By the time 14 perhaps you (likely) don't have sexual interest per say but you can have romantic interest. And regardless of whether or not you show it through external characteristics or actions.

Take a middle school boy for instance, and say he's seemingly anti social and asexual. While it may seem that way, perhaps internally he does find romantic interest in girls and want to be socially liked. Also people tend to find attraction regardless of the conceptial idea of it, which is more like an influence rather than a cause.

Literally nothing of what you said relates to what I've been talking about or displays any understanding of the subject matter or even my point.

Not reading everything and neglecting to research the subject matter is absolutely ignorance, because you are ignoring details, thus only getting a fraction of the full picture.