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[PLATINUM7]

You also have people like me who go pretty deep into the net to places where even google can't take you.

This sentence just screams dark net. Or maybe just the deep net, though most people use those terms synonymously these days.

I would have hoped since the internet gives easy access to both sides of any argument people would use it to develop more informed opinions. Unfortunately many are simply content with just listening to what they want to hear and never reflect on what they think.

 

[Deleted member]

I could see it happening with an independent party more so than any of the third parties. Because they've actually come pretty close to becoming president a few times. Heck, even Bernie would've had much better chance if he ran independent.

 

[Champ Gold]

Unless some kind of radical group gains a lot of power and is able to sway people over, like an extremist right or extremist left

I don't see it happening that early

Maybe 2024 it's possible

It's building and that's a start.

Gary Johnson ran as a third-party candidate and got over a mllion votes and that was a record setting experience. All because the other 2 were worst in majority eyes.

Especially an election where people voted less than others did in 2012.

To me, it starts in the states then it'll rise

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

OMG

This thing should totally be a pokemon

It eats by inflating it's head like a bubble

 

[Deleted member]

This sentence just screams dark net. Or maybe just the deep net, though most people use those terms synonymous these days.

Yes, that's what I was referring to along with some other things.(Seriously, I was reading through one of my facebook groups recently and they were using terms not even google could find you, you have to find it through other people.) Just that and a lot of underground stuff most people are pretty much unaware of. Heck, I'm Satanist and there's not much you can find out about it aside from small blogs here and there, outside of the very basics.(But we're very secretive anyway.)

But like most things, the deep web is something that people over exaggerate how scary it really is. Most stuff on it is business related actually. If you find shady stuff you're either either purposely looking for it or clicking links via the wiki.(That's how my friend found some really terrible things.)

As for the deep web and dark net, the main difference is that the dark net is supposedly 'deeper', it's mainly used for the government and military. Though when some people use the term they're referring to the shady stuff on the deep web.

Also, a lot of shady stuff on the deep web are just weird art projects or stuff from movies. People sometimes mistake them as real when really it's someone trying to spook people, it's entertaining though. Though the shady stuff definitely exists.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

comme ci comme ça maybe

The internet allows people to avoid people with other opinions, which strengthens their opinion, which causes a greater division between people. People are stuck in their own echo chambers online

Sounds a lot like Smash 4 speculation

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Sounds a lot like Smash 4 speculation

Politics are basically identical to Smash speculation

Except when Ridley doesn't get in, people can actually die

 

[Champ Gold]

Sounds a lot like Smash 4 speculation

Politics are basically identical to Smash speculation

Except when Ridley doesn't get in, people can actually die

I don't think politics could be on the level Smash where misinformation spreads like wildfire

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I don't think politics could be on the level Smash where misinformation spreads like wildfire

Politics have these things called "CNN" "MSNBC" and "FOXNEWS" dedicated to that very thing

 

[Champ Gold]

Politics have these things called "CNN" "MSNBC" and "FOXNEWS" dedicated to that very thing

Spoiler

That's the joke

 

[Chrono.]

I hit a point in Cyber Sleuth where things got ****ed.

I won't go into details but

Spoiler

This was a boss I just fought.

Yep

 

[Champ Gold]

I hit a point in Cyber Sleuth where things got ****ed.

I won't go into details but

Spoiler

This was a boss I just fought.

Yep

I've seen Mara. She isn't nothing

 

[PLATINUM7]

I've seen Mara. She isn't nothing

So she is something then?

 

[Chrono.]

I've seen Mara. She isn't nothing

I mean that is true.

But Digimon has always been family friendly, even though I know this game was rated higher than the others, it was still a bit of a jarring moment.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So how does "Cyber Sleuths" work? It looks interesting

I saw someone using viral metalgreymon, who is my favorite digimon

 

[Chrono.]

So how does "Cyber Sleuths" work? It looks interesting

I saw someone using viral metalgreymon, who is my favorite digimon

It's turn based RPG and if you played Digimon World 3 or the DS World games then you've pretty much played this (as far as the battle system works).

What sets this apart from the other Digimon games is the darker/more SMT-ish plot and characters.

It's pretty fun so far though looking at the roster a lot of choices make me scratch my head.

Oh and as far Virus MetalGreymon goes, pretty sure he was exclusive pre-order DLC.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

So here's a question for pokefans...

Favourite Type Specialist per type
Dragon-Drake
Dark-Nanu
Ghost-Phoebe
Psychic-Sabrina
Fighting-Brawly
Ground-Hapu
Rock-Olivia
Fire-Flannery
Water-Wallace
Grass-Ramos
Bug-Guzma
Poison-Koga
Fairy-Mina
Steel-Steven
Electric-Wattson
Flying-Kahili
Ice-Candice
Normal-Norman

Normal: Norman
Fire: Flannery
Fighting: Brawly
Water: Crasher Wake
Flying: Winona
Grass: Ramos
Poison: Koga
Electric: Wattson
Ground: Giovanni
Psychic: Sabrina
Rock: Brock
Ice: Pryce
Bug: Aaron
Dragon: Drake
Ghost: Morty
Dark: Grimsley
Steel: Steven
Fairy: Valerie

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

It's turn based RPG and if you played Digimon World 3 or the DS World games then you've pretty much played this (as far as the battle system works).

What sets this apart from the other Digimon games is the darker/more SMT-ish plot and characters.

It's pretty fun so far though looking at the roster a lot of choices make me scratch my head.

Oh and as far Virus MetalGreymon goes, pretty sure he was exclusive pre-order DLC.

Oh, I guess I don't have a reason to play it then...

 

[FalKoopa]

@Shishœ
Beware of flying red cows. Or shouted atomic explosions. Or your hands falling off.

Seriously though, if you like surreal humour, you'll like Nichijou. Otherwise maybe not.

 

[Chrono.]

Oh, I guess I don't have a reason to play it then...

Yeah it sucks, there were 4 pre order mons (two of which had full evolutionary lines) and none of them were made available afterwards (not even Japan has them right now which is kinda ****ed).

 

[Deleted member]

What is there to protect?
Why would a fangame ruin their image?
Why is a non-profit fanwork NOT different than a profit one to Nintendo?
How does this "jeopardizes Nintendo's rights and its ability to provide fans with innovative games and products"?
How does a non-profit fan game, a modification of an old game, undercut the work of....the original game?!?!??!

Makes. No. Sense.

The only time I have ever seen a fan mod of a Nintendo game replace the original game was Project M, but the original game still sold freakin' 13 million copies. Nintendo literally only could benefit from it since it was a modification. The next games in the series combined total sold (combined total of Wii U and 3DS) 13+ million copies sold.

If not even Project M could kill their sales, why the **** do they think an 8bit romhack of a 16 year old game would? The only thing that hurts the company is when their company releases a bad game. You have no reason to ever fear your fans in this setting, especially not ones that are doing this for free.

 

[PLATINUM7]

What is there to protect?
Why would a fangame ruin their image?
Why is a non-profit fanwork NOT different than a profit one to Nintendo?
How does this "jeopardizes Nintendo's rights and its ability to provide fans with innovative games and products"?
How does a non-profit fan game, a modification of an old game, undercut the work of....the original game?!?!??!

Makes. No. Sense.

The only time I have ever seen a fan mod of a Nintendo game replace the original game was Project M, but the original game still sold freakin' 13 million copies. Nintendo literally only could benefit from it since it was a modification. The next games in the series combined total sold (combined total of Wii U and 3DS) 13+ million copies sold.

If not even Project M could kill their sales, why the **** do they think an 8bit romhack of a 16 year old game would? The only thing that hurts the company is when their company releases a bad game. You have no reason to ever fear your fans in this setting, especially not ones that are doing this for free.

Why has it become such a crime to enforce copyright these days?
Some people/companies like total control of their intellectual property. They want to be the only ones to produce works for their creations.

 

[praline]

So Super Smash Flash 2 beta won't be coming out this year.

 

[Deleted member]

Why has it become such a crime to enforce copyright these days?
Some people/companies like total control of their intellectual property. They want to be the only ones to produce works for their creations.

Because it's draconian and nonsensical to. The brand isn't being damaged (total opposite actually), they aren't making money and are just celebrating Pokemon with their own fanworks, and the copyright law itself is outdated to hell and was designed when we were still using floppy disks and computers were a new concept to us.

So tell me why a company should have this much control over something that does nothing to hurt their brand in any way shape or form, is entirely free and merely an expression as a fan?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Why has it become such a crime to enforce copyright these days?
Some people/companies like total control of their intellectual property. They want to be the only ones to produce works for their creations.

No one is arguing that it's a crime.

It's just when the endeavor is non profit, its just kind of a **** thing to do.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Because it's draconian and nonsensical to. The brand isn't being damaged (total opposite actually), they aren't making money and are just celebrating Pokemon with their own fanworks, and the copyright law itself is outdated to hell and was designed when we were still using floppy disks and computers were a new concept to us.

So tell me why a company should have this much control over something that does nothing to hurt their brand in any way shape or form, is entirely free and merely an expression as a fan?

Because not every content creator wants other people making stuff from their work. Just because you think it's fine doesn't mean others will see it that way. I honestly don't think I can convince you to see it as okay but I'm pretty sure people who do think it's fine would be hard convincing as well.

No one is arguing that it's a crime.

It's just when the endeavor is non profit, its just kind of a **** thing to do.

I really doubt people enforcing their copyright like this see it as a **** move. It might seem a bit pedantic, almost like not wanting people to mess with their belongings to the nth degree but some people just don't like others using their work without permission. Some people get really attached to what they make so it can be more like protecting their vision. Clearly, not everyone is like that but some are.

Personally, I think whatever is allowed or enforced by copyright should be up to the content creators themselves. Feel free to disagree with me on that. I just know I loathe the idea of someone altering something I've made to make a "fan project". I'd rather they put the time and effort into making something original. Other people, would be ecstatic to see it. I don't feel there's anything wrong with that. Just gotta respect what others are fine with and what others aren't.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

So Super Smash Flash 2 beta won't be coming out this year.

Source? I didn't find any news about delay from the main site.

EDIT: Never mind, found a link from Twitter.

 

[Deleted member]

Because not every content creator wants other people making stuff from their work. Just because you think it's fine doesn't mean others will see it that way. I honestly don't think I can convince you to see it as okay but I'm pretty sure people who do think it's fine would be hard convincing as well.

So you're saying a content creator, just because of their opinion, should have the right to remove someone's really awesome drawing of Blastoise just cause Nintendo might hold the rights to Blastoise, despite not making a profit off it in anyway? What about uploading a video of singing the Pokemon theme, but with a really deep sounding voice to be funny? What if I were to take an image of Ash Ketchum from the anime, go in MS paint and give him a moustache and thick eyebrows and use it as my avatar, should someone should have the right to claim "copyright" and stop me?

All of this is content created by Nintendo used in ways in which are not intended. If someone can have this much "creative control" over something, then the system is absolutely flawed. You should be able to stop if someone is making a profit off your product or stealing your names or characters and claiming them as your own. You should not be able to stop someone from modifying something for free, or creating a new artistic interpretation for free.

Even under our current law, a company would have to be a total jerk to stop their own fans from celebrating their products in their own way. A fan game is no different than an artist drawing a really cool image of Blastoise, someone creating an original song using Pokemon characters (for free), and remixing a soundtrack (for free once again).

All this falls under the same thing, fan modified content or fan content using the characters owned by another company. The only difference here is that Nintendo doesn't shut down fan artists, nor should they here.

 

[PLATINUM7]

So you're saying a content creator, just because of their opinion, should have the right to remove someone's really awesome drawing of Blastoise just cause Nintendo might hold the rights to Blastoise, despite not making a profit off it in anyway? What about uploading a video of singing the Pokemon theme, but with a really deep sounding voice to be funny? What if I were to take an image of Ash Ketchum from the anime, go in MS paint and give him a moustache and thick eyebrows and use it as my avatar, should someone should have the right to claim "copyright" and stop me?

All of this is content created by Nintendo used in ways in which are not intended. If someone can have this much "creative control" over something, then the system is absolutely flawed. You should be able to stop if someone is making a profit off your product or stealing your names or characters and claiming them as your own. You should not be able to stop someone from modifying something for free, or creating a new artistic interpretation for free.

Even under our current law, a company would have to be a total jerk to stop their own fans from celebrating their products in their own way. A fan game is no different than an artist drawing a really cool image of Blastoise, someone creating an original song using Pokemon characters (for free), and remixing a soundtrack (for free once again).

All this falls under the same thing, fan modified content or fan content using the characters owned by another company. The only difference here is that Nintendo doesn't shut down fan artists, nor should they here.

Well some of the stuff you mentioned sounds like parody, which is allowed under copyright. You have made me realise a an ammendment I should make. While I think content creators should be able to say whether stuff like fan games and fan art are allowed, parodies are fine. Though, there is a limit to what is parody and what is copyright infringement.

Other stuff like fair use I feel should remain. I mean, stop derivative work, fine but other stuff can be used for information, reviews and the like. If that sounds a bit hypocritical of me, well then I guess my opinion is weird. (Would that be cognitive dissonance?)

Whether something is made for free or not though, I don't really care. As for quality, well I just don't think that can be enough to sway people from enforcing what they feel is fair. If Nintendo reeeaally didn't want people making cool Blastoise pictures, then I think they should have the right to stop them, unless of course said picture falls under fair use or parody. If they don't mind that but don't want fan gamens, even if they're for free, I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[FalKoopa]

So... I have FE Birthright now.

Anything I should keep in mind? Anything I should watch out for? Any waifu suggestions?

 

[Metal Shop X]

So... I have FE Birthright now.

Anything I should keep in mind? Anything I should watch out for? Any waifu suggestions?

Not really, Birthright is pretty cool in general no matter what you do. Just level up your unit between chapter and everything will be juuuust fine.
Also, IT'S FINALLY HOLIDAY, YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!

 

[FalKoopa]

Okay, so I picked Calm for strength, Slow for weakness and Mage as the talent.

I'm playing as the female (no big surprise there.)

Let's begin then.

 

[Deleted member]

Well some of the stuff you mentioned sounds like parody, which is allowed under copyright. You have made me realise a an ammendment I should make. While I think content creators should be able to say whether stuff like fan games and fan art are allowed, parodies are fine. Though, there is a limit to what is parody and what is copyright infringement.

Other stuff like fair use I feel should remain. I mean, stop derivative work, fine but other stuff can be used for information, reviews and the like. If that sounds a bit hypocritical of me, well then I guess my opinion is weird. (Would that be cognitive dissonance?)

Whether something is made for free or not though, I don't really care. As for quality, well I just don't think that can be enough to sway people from enforcing what they feel is fair. If Nintendo reeeaally didn't want people making cool Blastoise pictures, then I think they should have the right to stop them, unless of course said picture falls under fair use or parody. If they don't mind that but don't want fan gamens, even if they're for free, I don't see anything wrong with that.

I think the most optimal situation for both Nintendo and the fans is to allow such works, because it makes their fanbase happier and no harm is done. Following the success with companies that have embraced fan works such as Valve and modern SEGA, Nintendo could even make a profit off some of these things and then everyone truly wins. (I don't think it's a good idea for them to release the Pokemon hack officially, mind you.)

We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Deleted member]

So here's a question for pokefans...

Favourite Type Specialist per type
Dragon-Drake
Dark-Nanu
Ghost-Phoebe
Psychic-Sabrina
Fighting-Brawly
Ground-Hapu
Rock-Olivia
Fire-Flannery
Water-Wallace
Grass-Ramos
Bug-Guzma
Poison-Koga
Fairy-Mina
Steel-Steven
Electric-Wattson
Flying-Kahili
Ice-Candice
Normal-Norman

Normal: Norman
Grass: Mallow
Fire: Blaine
Water: Crasher Wake
Electric: Sophocles
Ice: Brycen
Fighting: Hala
Poison: Koga
Ground: Hapu or Clay
Flying: Uh... Skyla, I guess... None of them really stood out to me.
Psychic: Lucian
Bug: Ya boi Guzma
Rock: Roark
Ghost: Shanutal because she uses the best Pokemon!

Dragon: Drayden
Dark: Nanu
Steel: Steven
Fairy: I don't really care for either Valerie or Mina, but between the two, I think I'll go with Mina tbh... She's my least favorite Captain but at least she doesn't have those creepy eyes.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Christmas Eve in less than an hour for me and I'm getting really excited. Can't wait for the last ep of Diamond is Unbreakable. Except then I won't have something to look forward to every week, so maybe I can wait?

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Sounds fine to me. You found something you disagreed with and found the need to speak out about it. Someone (me) just happened to disagree (don't you hate when that happens?).

 

[FalKoopa]

Fates' music really reminds me a lot of Radiant Dawn's music.

Soft, calm and melancholic.

Yukimura is my new favourite character btw.

 

[Coricus]

What is there to protect?
Why would a fangame ruin their image?
Why is a non-profit fanwork NOT different than a profit one to Nintendo?
How does this "jeopardizes Nintendo's rights and its ability to provide fans with innovative games and products"?
How does a non-profit fan game, a modification of an old game, undercut the work of....the original game?!?!??!

Makes. No. Sense.

The only time I have ever seen a fan mod of a Nintendo game replace the original game was Project M, but the original game still sold freakin' 13 million copies. Nintendo literally only could benefit from it since it was a modification. The next games in the series combined total sold (combined total of Wii U and 3DS) 13+ million copies sold.

If not even Project M could kill their sales, why the **** do they think an 8bit romhack of a 16 year old game would? The only thing that hurts the company is when their company releases a bad game. You have no reason to ever fear your fans in this setting, especially not ones that are doing this for free.

I do find the wording of the image a bit jerkish and there's no way anyone in that department would know information that could justify it, but I do have a bit of a situation that comes to mind.

Most people aren't going to dump their original Crystal carts onto their computer. They'll likely be getting the game code. . .elsewhere. The mod will in the vast majority of cases be used alongside this, even though it doesn't -have- to be. Now let's say Nintendo saw the Virtual Console sales of Pokemon RBY, liked what they saw, maybe has a few plans for what else they could put on the Eshop. . .In theory, the ROM hack might encourage the use of piracy instead of purchasing a product from Nintendo. The profit deprived would leave the company with slightly less assets, and thus serve as a slight contribution to Nintendo being unable to have the funds to create more games and products, and people pirating instead of purchasing the game would undercut the work of the original game slightly.

There's times when takedowns are a bit baffling, but just because something doesn't "kill" sales doesn't mean it doesn't have any hypothetical possibility of effecting them at all, and I can see why they might pursue some of the things people are freaking out about them pursuing. When something encourages obtaining an illegal copy of a game or is essentially the same game they are currently selling but better, it's not too hard to understand why they would be uncomfortable with that.

If someone makes copies of your stuff and gives it out for free, it may not be as evil as them selling it, but it still leaves the open door of people just getting the free ones instead of buying from you. It's like asking "Why are you upset I'm handing out for free the same thing you're selling? I'm doing a favor for you!"

I've seen people openly taunting Nintendo on Twitter about their pirating Nintendo's games instead of buying from them. Nintendo is pretty deeply misguided in not going after piracy promoting websites as well when if they care this much about the situation they really should be, but it's easy to see why they might be a little. . .unhappy.


Now, that said, a fangame ruining their image is pretty bull, and there's some fangames that I really can't see any reason why they touched them, but the rest of the points do have hypothetical justifications if you squint a bit, especially since I think I heard someone mention somewhere that they used Virtual Console to pay for their internet servers during the Wii era. I don't think a copyright holder should take down someone's fan works for the most part, but I feel some -not all, just some- of the fan works people have been upset at the takedown of. . .toed a bit of an uncomfortable line between fan support and piracy.

. . .

. . .*puts up flameshield that will probably be largely useless considering how unfortunately heated the topic of copyright gets*

 

[Deleted member]

Oh well, seems I'll be travelling for Christmas with my family so I guess I won't be seeing any of you guys for about a week
Just try not to kill each other while I'm away

So... I have FE Birthright now.

Anything I should keep in mind? Anything I should watch out for? Any waifu suggestions?

Hinata sucks but is the best of the ones that suck(which are about half of the PCs)
Takumi OHKOs everything in his sight
Oboro is just overall great
All the mages are useless
Saizo is a beast with Flame Shuriken and probably the best Ninja
Ryoma breaks the game im half
Silas is one of the only characters that can tank
Reclass Jakob into a Paladin or GK and watch as he destroys everything before Takumi and Ryoma come in
Shura comes late but oh god is he good

Okay, so I picked Calm for strength, Slow for weakness and Mage as the talent.

I'm playing as the female (no big surprise there.)

Let's begin then.

I'd recommend getting the Witch's Mark for your Avatar then but I don't know if you like completely breaking the game, even more than Ryoma already does

 

[FalKoopa]

Oh well, seems I'll be travelling for Christmas with my family so I guess I won't be seeing any of you guys for about a week
Just try not to kill each other while I'm away

Hinata sucks but is the best of the ones that suck(which are about half of the PCs)
Takumi OHKOs everything in his sight
Oboro is just overall great
All the mages are useless
Saizo is a beast with Flame Shuriken and probably the best Ninja
Ryoma breaks the game im half
Silas is one of the only characters that can tank
Reclass Jakob into a Paladin or GK and watch as he destroys everything before Takumi and Ryoma come in
Shura comes late but oh god is he good

I'd recommend getting the Witch's Mark for your Avatar then but I don't know if you like completely breaking the game, even more than Ryoma already does

Nah, I'm playing Normal on Classic. I want the difficulty to be mostly manageable.

And alright.

 

[Pazzo.]

If someone creates something based on your stuff, you have every right to enforce your right to that idea.

Of Nintendo let any of that stuff slide, someone could take them to court and bring up a previous example. It's literally protecting what they own.

I get that it's a little "mean", but that's just business. Don't be nearsighted.