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[Guybrush20X6]

Well we're arguing Pokemon Stats here which makes change of pace from the rest of the net arguing about some job interview. Something about the youecai or something?

 

[Mythra]

Iim just waiting for one thing.
The Ultra Beasts' Stats.

 

[Chrono.]

Iim just waiting for one thing.
The Ultra Beasts' Stats.

They'll be banned anyway.

I can't not see them being legendary level.

 

[AreJay25]

Apparently the leaker is waiting to get a bigger chunk of information before he uploads anything else.

Guess we'll have to wait quite some time before we get Decidueye's true stats.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

A blastoise with special attack investment with bold nature could OHKO Luchacat with Surf or Sald, although it's guaranteed with surf

Depending on what moves he gets, of course. I made quite a bit of assumptions

Without special attack investment a Blastoise is guaranteed to 2HKO Luchacat

 

[Deleted member]

By the way, I found something on 4Chan when I was looking for more leaks, here's a http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1478491036063.jpg
here's my filled version:

Spoiler

 

[praline]

More leaks? The game is coming out in 10 days **** off with this.

 

[Deleted member]

Defensive stats and movepools are not useful in a playthrough.
By that logic Meganium is a good starter (Its defenses are actually better than Serperior's, same with all of its other stats except for its speed)

*defeats BW!Iris's entire team with Toxic+Leec Seed*
Yeah, sure
I have no idea how you play your games but don't act like attacking stats are the only thing that matters, combat depth isn't just for competitive play

In all fairness, snipers and archers aren't exactly known for their speed.

The only real reason we thought it'd be fast (other than the design), was the bio on the website. But at the end of the day that's all flavor text (as Escavalier's dex entry proves).

Which of Escavalier's dex entries is the one that contradicts itself?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

If you grind long enough, any pokemon can do pretty good in game

What really matters to me, in game, is what attacks they can get.

Shallow movepools are the only thing that make me reject a pokemon

 

[Chrono.]

*defeats BW!Iris's entire team with Toxic+Leec Seed*
Yeah, sure
I have no idea how you play your games but don't act like attacking stats are the only thing that matters, combat depth isn't just for competitive play

Which of Escavalier's dex entries is the one that contradicts itself?

Their Black dex entry claims they're fast, but they have a base speed of 20.

 

[praline]

I don't even care about stats honestly. I just pick the coolest looking ones

 

[Deleted member]

*defeats BW!Iris's entire team with Toxic+Leec Seed*
Yeah, sure
I have no idea how you play your games but don't act like attacking stats are the only thing that matters, combat depth isn't just for competitive play

Powering through the game is alot more fun than stalling.
Also, again, if Serperior is considered good because it's a good staller, than Meganium has to be a great starter, right? /s

 

[praline]

I decided to make Cutie Gwen the Champion of my region.

 

[Mythzotick]

More leaks? The game is coming out in 10 days **** off with this.

EDIT: On second thought, never mind. It would be better if we don't since that meme has been done 1 too many times.

 

[Schnee117]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Goddamn. It's probably EU. Not AGAIN

This is why Brexit won.

Yeah you're uh gonna want to add some relevant text there before a mod get's ya.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Defensive stats and movepools are not useful in a playthrough.

Uh...

You they really are.

Heck, when I played White with Serperior, my Giga Drain, Leaf Blade, Leech Seed, Coil, Rocky Helmet set beat almost everything. It became this great wall of defense somehow. Not to mention my Cofagrigus I used in the same run.

I also had a Walreign way back when that powered through everything and took hits like a boss.

Defensive Pokemon are still good for in game use.

By that logic Meganium is a good starter (Its defenses are actually better than Serperior's, same with all of its other stats except for its speed)

Meganium is a good starter though.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I decided to make Cutie Gwen the Champion of my region.

I feel honoured!

 

[Deleted member]

Powering through the game is alot more fun than stalling.
Also, again, if Serperior is considered good because it's a good staller, than Meganium has to be a great starter, right? /s

That's subjective though
What you think makes a Pokemon viable doesn't determine which Pokemon are actually viable(hint: all if put the right effort because the maingame is the ****ing maingame)

Meganium doesn't have a varied movepool though, and in a game such as the Johto ones, where everything is out to kill Grass Pokemon, it just can't do anything

I decided to make Cutie Gwen the Champion of my region.

We back to having flat characters as Champions? What is this, Sinnoh?

 

[praline]

That's subjective though
What you think makes a Pokemon viable doesn't determine which Pokemon are actually viable(hint: all if put the right effort because the maingame is the ****ing maingame)

Meganium doesn't have a varied movepool though, and in a game such as the Johto ones, where everything is out to kill Grass Pokemon, it just can't do anything

We back to having flat characters as Champions? What is this, Sinnoh?

You're just jealous cause you're only an admin on the evil team.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm just gonna drop this arguement here, but I will say this.
I prefer powering through the game over stalling, and I know I'm not the only one who feels that way.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I mean.

I made Ariados work in HG because I like its design.

****ing Ariados.

It was painful at times, but we got through.

If Ariados can work, Meganium certainly can.

 

[Aurane]

Are people really arguing what Pokemon is viable in the MAINGAME? Lol

♪scrub-a-dub, dub
scrubs in the tub♪

 

[Kurri ★]

Overwatch's PTR just updated and so far all of the new content is sick.

Sombra is sick
Arcade is sick
Quick Play with 1 hero limit is sick (if you want to play quickplay like it used to be just head over to arcade and choose No Limits (which is sick))

I just really want to see where they plan to take the arcade, they can do so much with it, like hoarde modes that aren't tied to holidays or silly little game modes like Lucio Ball.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Meganium is a good starter though.

As a guy who loves Chikorita, It really isn't. Gen 2 thought it'd be funny to reverse the starter leader's advantage so grass is struggling for the first two gyms and the first gym leader without a type advantage was [evil voice]WHITNEY[/evil voice].

Don't get me wrong, it's still a good family and I had a much better time using Bayleef in Colosseum but Chikorita in siver is still my worst starter I've used.

 

[Deleted member]

****, I just realized something: Disguise Mimikyu holding a Focus Sash is the new meta
And if Disguise resets after switching out...
Please, have at least a 90 base Atk/Sp. Atk

You're just jealous cause you're only an admin on the evil team.

Wait, I'm an admin in your game? Since when? You sure you're not confusing me with the other zoroark of this thread?

Sombra is sick

I hope she gets better

 

[praline]

****, I just realized something: Disguise Mimikyu holding a Focus Sash is the new meta
And if Disguise resets after switching out...
Please, have at least a 90 base Atk/Sp. Atk

Wait, I'm an admin in your game? Since when? You sure you're not confusing me with the other zoroark of this thread?

I hope she gets better

No the admin is an amalgamation of both of you.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

As a guy who loves Chikorita, It really isn't. Gen 2 thought it'd be funny to reverse the starter leader's advantage so grass is struggling for the first two gyms and the first gym leader without a type advantage was [evil voice]WHITNEY[/evil voice].

Don't get me wrong, it's still a good family and I had a much better time using Bayleef in Colosseum but Chikorita in siver is still my worst starter I've used.

The Chikorita line is hard to use in the Johto games as you said due to Johto's structure being bad for grass types.

It's pretty good in other games.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

As a guy who loves Chikorita, It really isn't. Gen 2 thought it'd be funny to reverse the starter leader's advantage so grass is struggling for the first two gyms and the first gym leader without a type advantage was [evil voice]WHITNEY[/evil voice].

Don't get me wrong, it's still a good family and I had a much better time using Bayleef in Colosseum but Chikorita in siver is still my worst starter I've used.

By the time you fight Whitney it should have been able to learn Reflect and Poison Powder. Git Gud with your support mon

That's subjective though
What you think makes a Pokemon viable doesn't determine which Pokemon are actually viable(hint: all if put the right effort because the maingame is the ****ing maingame)

Meganium doesn't have a varied movepool though, and in a game such as the Johto ones, where everything is out to kill Grass Pokemon, it just can't do anything

We back to having flat characters as Champions? What is this, Sinnoh?

Also people think Cynthia is sexy af. That means you think I'm sexy. ****ing perv

Are people really arguing what Pokemon is viable in the MAINGAME? Lol

♪scrub-a-dub, dub
scrubs in the tub♪

Funny enough, I just finished q bath

I mean.

I made Ariados work in HG because I like its design.

****ing Ariados.

It was painful at times, but we got through.

If Ariados can work, Meganium certainly can.

How do you make Ariados work?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

How do you make Ariados work?

Shadow Sneak
Night Shade
Poison Jab
Psychic

It was odd and hard, but it got the job done at times.

It mostly functioned as a revenge killer.

 

[Soul.]

Sure base stats, Natures, HAs etc. may not matter in a playthrough but they matter a lot competitively.

Are there even lists of "Pokémon useful during the main game"? Just use what you like during a playthrough honestly.

 

[praline]

I like Sombra's voice.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Shadow Sneak
Night Shade
Poison Jab
Psychic

It was odd and hard, but it got the job done at times.

It mostly functioned as a revenge killer.

Damn. Shame Ariados had to suck. Spiders are surprisingly cool for Pokemon,especially Galvantula

 

[Guybrush20X6]

By the time you fight Whitney it should have been able to learn Reflect and Poison Powder. Git Gud with your support mon

Funnily enough, I don't think Whitney was too much of a problem because I had to power level to get through Bugsy and Silver. It was still bad enough that I thought Rollout was an OP move for a while tho.

 

[Arcanir]

By the time you fight Whitney it should have been able to learn Reflect and Poison Powder. Git Gud with your support mon.

That's not really going to help it against Morty, Jasmine, Team Rocket as a whole, and Silver, who all carry Poison and/or Steel types (who can't be poisoned) and also usually have Pokémon that either outspeed Meganium or can cripple it in return. Some like Bugsy, Clair and Pryce also give it a hard time even if you do try stalling since their Pokémon resist its typing, attack on the other side of the attacking spectrum, come before it gets Reflect on a passive playthrough (Bugsy) and (in the remakes for Clair) have Pokémon that can self heal off the status.

Meganium has options, but it really has the hardest time dealing with what the in-game teams throw at you. Its weaknesses are constantly exploited, it doesn't have the best speed to deal with threats, and its movepool is lackluster aside from support options. While it is workable, it honestly does have the most difficult time in its generation of debut as Johto hates Grass types with a passion and its options are much more limited when compared to other starters.

Sure base stats, Natures, HAs etc. may not matter in a playthrough but they matter a lot competitively.

Are there even lists of "Pokémon useful during the main game"? Just use what you like during a playthrough honestly.

A lot of Pokémon forums like Smogon, Pokecommunity and the like actually make in-game tier lists rating how effective certain Pokémon are in an given playthrough. I found that out when trying to look for advice on my second SoulSilver playthrough.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Funnily enough, I don't think Whitney was too much of a problem because I had to power level to get through Bugsy and Silver. It was still bad enough that I thought Rollout was an OP move for a while tho.

That's not really going to help it against Morty, Jasmine, Team Rocket as a whole, and Silver, who all carry Poison and/or Steel types (who can't be poisoned) and also usually have Pokémon that either outspeed Meganium or can cripple it in return. Some like Clair and Pryce also give it a hard time even if you do try stalling since their Pokémon resist its typing, attack on the other side of the attacking spectrum, and (in the remakes for Clair) have Pokémon that can self heal off the status.

Meganium has options, but it really has the hardest time dealing with what the in-game teams throw at you. Its weaknesses are constantly exploited, it doesn't have the best speed to deal with threats, and its movepool is lackluster aside from support options. While it is workable, it honestly does have the most difficult time in its generation of debut as Johto hates Grass types with a passion and its options are much more limited when compared to other starters.



A lot of Pokémon forums like Smogon, Pokecommunity and the like actually make in-game tier lists rating how effective certain Pokémon are in an given playthrough. I found that out when trying to look for advice on my second SoulSilver playthrough.

I CERTAINLY agree Meganium is ABYSMAL for single player, but considering how much **** Whitney gets for being 'hard', you have nothing but yourself to blame if you chose Chikorita as it has the best options for dealing with her

 

[Aurane]

Are there even lists of "Pokémon useful during the main game"? Just use what you like during a playthrough honestly.

Tentacool and Geodude are the best HM users outside of Fly in HGSS, so there's two.

That's one of my favorite things about SM. By removing HMs, players can now use whoever they want without reserving two/three slots for HM users.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

By the way, I found something on 4Chan when I was looking for more leaks, here's a http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1478491036063.jpg
here's my filled version:

Spoiler

View attachment 120730

Thanks, I needed to get away from work for a bit

Spoiler

It was between Sycamore and Kukui and Sycamore won

 

[praline]

Hacked med kits recharge in like 3 seconds holy ****.

 

[Kurri ★]

Hacked med kits recharge in like 3 seconds holy ****.

And you can hack multiple med kits at the same time, and the hack lasts for a whole minute. Sombra can basically lock down an entire area.

 

[praline]

And you can hack multiple med kits at the same time, and the hack lasts for a whole minute. Sombra can basically lock down an entire area.

Sombra looks crazy fun, her gun does pretty much nothing though lol