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[Deleted member]

This is pretty much my reaction to this whole stats and bandwagon thing as someone who's been #TeamLitten for quite a while and didn't jump immediately ship when the Starters leak was confirmed to be real like a lot of people did.

Spoiler

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Oh wonderful, my sister is one of those "People will die after this election is blank wins" Kind of people

Wonderful, just the kind of people I hate

 

[allison]

Web dev is hard

 

[Aurane]

Its quiet... Too quiet...

This dude asleep? Lol

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

so the following is the base stats of the starters final evo if its to be belived

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Decidueye
HP: 104
ATK: 89
DEF: 100
S.ATK: 89
S.DEF: 93
SPD: 60

Incineroar
HP: 91
ATK: 100
DEF: 80
S.ATK: 89
S.DEF: 58
SPD: 116

Primarina
HP: 66
ATK: 63
DEF: 110
S.ATK: 110
S.DEF: 110
SPD: 74

im happy with my choice

So tell me, which one of these starters are the new Greninja in terms of stats.

 

[powerprotoman]

Its quiet... Too quiet...

This dude asleep? Lol

if you mean the sun moon leaker he said he was done untill he had a stock pile of things to show off

 

[Aetheri]

So tell me, which one of these starters are the new Greninja in terms of stats.

That depends on which one gets Protean...

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

That depends on which one gets Protean...

I meant which starter has the better stats, silly.

Though Protean wouldn't be so bad for Primarina.

 

[Knight Dude]

>Rowlet has people losing their mind over his stats
>lolPopplio

Welp

Spoiler: you already know

WE STILL DA BEST

How could we not be? We have the DARKEST LARIAT!!!

 

[Pazzo.]

Still hanging on to Rowlett.

Just please don't be snail slow.

 

[Aurane]

if you mean the sun moon leaker he said he was done untill he had a stock pile of things to show off

Ah okay. Good to know.

Spoiler

Anyways, I'm very scared of Pikipek's final form. Toucan Sam might actually be Staraptor with Skill Link. And if it is, buckle your ass kiddo, because that bird's driving us straight to ass kicking junction. Tossing Fruit Loops on your dead body (Lol neogaf).

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Meh, mediocre stats don't scare me. I did choose the objectively inferior Chespin after all.

Just hope Luchalitten can take hits from other Fighting Types.

 

[powerprotoman]

and now a comparison to greninja one spoiler for each comparison using the currently rumored BST for each starter

Spoiler: Decidueye

i will be using D to denote decidueye and G to denote greninja with
greater than( > )or lessthan( < )to denote whos better for each stat

HP: D>G
ATK: D<G
DEF: D>G
S.ATK: D<G
S.DEF: D>G
SPD: D<G

Status: TIED

Spoiler: Incineroar

i will be using I to denote Incineroar and G to denote greninja with
greater than( > )or lessthan( < )to denote whos better for each stat

HP: I>G
ATK: I>G
DEF: I>G
S.ATK: I<G
S.DEF: I<G
SPD: I<G

Status: TIED

Spoiler: Primarina

i will be using P to denote Primarina and G to denote greninja with
greater than( > )or lessthan( < )to denote whos better for each stat

HP: P<G
ATK: P<G
DEF: P>G
S.ATK: P>G
S.DEF: P>G
SPD: P<G

Status: TIED

so ya none of them outclass greninja but their stats spread if this is true puts them at an advantage in certain areas
Except Incineroar because Greninja being faster and being strong in the attack stat incineroar has the lower defense in is just Bad NEWS

so ya no suprise incineroar cant handle water period

 

[Deleted member]

"Ew, **** Rowlet, it's probably gonna have bad stats"
"Snivy is the best Unova starter!"
-The internet

 

[powerprotoman]

"Ew, **** Rowlet, it's probably gonna have bad stats"
"Snivy is the best Unova starter!"
-The internet

i sincerly doubt decidueye will have contrary or protien

 

[Deleted member]

i sincerly doubt decidueye will have contrary or protien

I highly doubt Decidueye will have attacking stats that are lower than 80
Hidden abillities don't matter in a playthrough

 

[Z25]

Oh boy, Sun and Moon is leaking...

Well at least it's mild so far here, so I'll stick around if everything is spoiled.

Hoped this wouldn't happen, but it isn't to surprising.

Also what country does this person live in?

 

[Deleted member]

I will leave this thread once we get plot-related spoilers.
I'm okay with base stats and movepools.

 

[Aetheri]

"Ew, **** Rowlet, it's probably gonna have bad stats"
"Snivy is the best Unova starter!"
-The internet

Compare Snivy to the other Unova starters....there's not much competition...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Goddamn. It's probably EU. Not AGAIN

 

[Chrono.]

its whats going around the net right now and of the three starters popplio has the lowest bst at stage 1
at stage 2 and 3 all starters are equal from whats being tossed around

"Going around the net right now" So is this an actual source or people assuming stuff from their base forms (not counting Dartrix)?

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Goddamn. It's probably EU. Not AGAIN

well considering the EU gets the game on the 23 after the 18th World Wide relese..dunno why though

 

[Deleted member]

Compare Snivy to the other Unova starters....there's not much competition...

They're still better in terms of offense (and HP)
Rowlet has some speed issues and everybody loses their mind yet almost no one ever ****s on Serperior for having trash offense
Speed is not everything

 

[Deleted member]

and now a comparison to greninja one spoiler for each comparison using the currently rumored BST for each starter

Spoiler: Decidueye

i will be using D to denote decidueye and G to denote greninja with
greater than( > )or lessthan( < )to denote whos better for each stat

HP: D>G
ATK: D<G
DEF: D>G
S.ATK: D<G
S.DEF: D>G
SPD: D<G

Status: TIED

Spoiler: Incineroar

i will be using I to denote Incineroar and G to denote greninja with
greater than( > )or lessthan( < )to denote whos better for each stat

HP: I>G
ATK: I>G
DEF: I>G
S.ATK: I<G
S.DEF: I<G
SPD: I<G

Status: TIED

Spoiler: Primarina

i will be using P to denote Primarina and G to denote greninja with
greater than( > )or lessthan( < )to denote whos better for each stat

HP: P<G
ATK: P<G
DEF: P>G
S.ATK: P>G
S.DEF: P>G
SPD: P<G

Status: TIED

so ya none of them outclass greninja but their stats spread if this is true puts them at an advantage in certain areas
Except Incineroar because Greninja being faster and being strong in the attack stat incineroar has the lower defense in is just Bad NEWS

so ya no suprise incineroar cant handle water period

The comparison doesn't work, you need to know by how much one surpasses the other and their base stat total
A Pokemon could have 1 more of each stat than another with the exception of one where the other could have 50 more on it and it would lose based on this

"Ew, **** Rowlet, it's probably gonna have bad stats"
"Snivy is the best Unova starter!"
-The internet

Serperior has the bulk and moveset to make up for a great defensive Pokemon
Attacking stats are not everything there is
It's just odd that Decidueye is supposedly slow considering its design and known information

But I'll say this again to all here: stop acting like players can calculate base stats of evolutions based on their base forms' stats at Lv5~15 without knowing what those examples Natures, IVs and EVs were

 

[Deleted member]

Serperior has the bulk and moveset to make up for a great defensive Pokemon
Attacking stats are not everything there is
It's just odd that Decidueye is supposedly slow considering its design and known information

Defensive stats and movepools are not useful in a playthrough.
By that logic Meganium is a good starter (Its defenses are actually better than Serperior's, same with all of its other stats except for its speed)

 

[Knight Dude]

They're still better in terms of offense (and HP)
Rowlet has some speed issues and everybody loses their mind yet almost no one ever ****s on Serperior for having trash offense
Speed is not everything

Well, if it makes you feel better, I always go fire anyway. So I appreciate and understand loyalty to a cool starter. Everybody wanted to hate on Incineroar since they though he'd be Fire/Fighting.

 

[powerprotoman]

The comparison doesn't work, you need to know by how much one surpasses the other and their base stat total
A Pokemon could have 1 more of each stat than another with the exception of one where the other could have 50 more on it and it would lose based on this

Serperior has the bulk and moveset to make up for a great defensive Pokemon
Attacking stats are not everything there is
It's just odd that Decidueye is supposedly slow considering its design and known information

But I'll say this again to all here: stop acting like players can calculate base stats of evolutions based on their base forms' stats at Lv5~15 without knowing what those examples Natures, IVs and EVs were

oh you want a detailed comparison....okay here you go

Spoiler: Greninja stats along side the starters

Decidueye
HP: 104
ATK: 89
DEF: 100
S.ATK: 89
S.DEF: 93
SPD: 60

Incineroar
HP: 91
ATK: 100
DEF: 80
S.ATK: 89
S.DEF: 58
SPD: 116

Primarina
HP: 66
ATK: 63
DEF: 110
S.ATK: 110
S.DEF: 110
SPD: 74

Greninja
HP: 72
ATK: 95
DEF: 67
S.ATK: 103
S.DEF: 71
SPD: 122

There you go

 

[Chrono.]

Serperior has the bulk and moveset to make up for a great defensive Pokemon
Attacking stats are not everything there is
It's just odd that Decidueye is supposedly slow considering its design and known information

But I'll say this again to all here: stop acting like players can calculate base stats of evolutions based on their base forms' stats at Lv5~15 without knowing what those examples Natures, IVs and EVs were

In all fairness, snipers and archers aren't exactly known for their speed.

The only real reason we thought it'd be fast (other than the design), was the bio on the website. But at the end of the day that's all flavor text (as Escavalier's dex entry proves).

 

[Aetheri]

They're still better in terms of offense (and HP)
Rowlet has some speed issues and everybody loses their mind yet almost no one ever ****s on Serperior for having trash offense
Speed is not everything

Because of Leaf Storm Contrary which makes up for it...
and Serperior is by far the least controversial of the Unova starters with Samurott's polarizing design (and mediocre stats) and Emboar's typing...

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I kinda wished Roars typing was Fire/Fighting just so I can see people cry about it

 

[powerprotoman]

I kinda wished Roars typing was Fire/Fighting just so I can see people cry about it

it would actually have some kind of counter to greninja if that was the case

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Greninja could outspeed and 1 shot Luchacat

 

[Aurane]

I kinda wished Roars typing was Fire/Fighting just so I can see people cry about it

Can we please stop grinding for salt on the starters? It was annoying then, and it's still annoying now.

 

[Deleted member]

Because of Leaf Storm Contrary which makes up for it...
and Serperior is by far the least controversial of the Unova starters with Samurott's polarizing design (and mediocre stats) and Emboar's typing...

I'll say it again... Hidden abillities don't matter in a playthrough.
Competitively, it's definetly the best, I won't argue with that, but in the story, it's pretty useless.

 

[N3ON]

Man that competitive edge is bound to crater Decidueye's popularity just like it did Charizard's.

Oh wait.

Honestly though I don't care about stats, and neither do most people, but I guess it's good some people have found reason to give the seal love. I never thought the line was as bad as made out to be. It's not very effective to my choice, but I'm gonna be done with the game as soon as I get bored with the post-game content anyway.

 

[Opossum]

As someone who uses Castform competitively, Decidueye isn't even that bad.

 

[Knight Dude]

I kinda wished Roars typing was Fire/Fighting just so I can see people cry about it

People are already whining that it stands on two legs. Which seems like a real non-issue to me. Still, hard to say it'd be as good as Blaziken or Infernape if it shared the Fire/Fighting type combo. I'm not sure how good Delphox is, but it's fairly unique type combo serves a niche. And it has a couple of good moves, namely with Thunderbolt as a counter(I think it can still use it.)

 

[Aurane]

Man that competitive edge is bound to crater Decidueye's popularity just like it did Charizard's.

>doesn't even mention Braxien

Smh

 

[Chrono.]

>doesn't even mention Braxien

Smh

Braixen was already dead by the time people hated Delphox from design alone.

 

[powerprotoman]

eventually we will get a fire turtle as a starter