I wasn't being mean in any way at all. So whats the problem here? Facts are facts if you interpret facts differently then you aren't seeing the facts at all, which means its time for me to move on.
See this? That's not how facts work. People interpret facts differently in a way that tells them what they think the future will hold. Despite having only two legitimate failures among the Nintendo systems, you're treating it like everything failed, which while an opinion, means that by the same logic you're saying, the facts show that Nintendo has an amazing track record of being a success. Don't call us out on that when you're doing the exact same thing. Being a hypocrite does not legitimately help your argument here. Likewise, if you don't want to keep arguing, you're free to actually move on from this topic. That does not mean people will stop criticizing your points. It doesn't mean you have to reply, though. Keep in mind that moving on means just ignoring the topic.
You can't tell me its not optimism when everyone says you cant say the switch will fail
Which isn't what we're saying at all. We're saying we don't feel it's likely it will fail. And not everybody is saying that either.
when we don't know enough about it, meaning you also can't say it will succeed. You cant tell me its not optimism when all the facts about this company show they haven't made a console capable of competing since the SNES. Nintendo has shown time and time again they are in their own world and don't care about changing. It would be insanity to expect them to change at this point. Any other company and nobody would even give them any positive attention. But since its Nintendo people are hyping it up. It's all optimistic assumption.
Nintendo has an amazing track record of successes. It's automatically hypeworthy by that alone. You shouldn't be surprised. They literally are why video games came back after the huge video game drought. The hype is 100% justified. Just like you're justified in thinking it will fail. Nobody is saying you're wrong for being pessimistic. However, your points don't hold that much water in the grand scheme of things either. It's not an assumption either, it's hope. And they did an amazing job of hyping it up too, so of course people are optimistic. But actually reading this topic will tell you that people are still skeptical too, and for good reasons. Nintendo is well known for having underpowered systems.
However if you look at the facts its apparent the switch isn't gonna be competition at all.
This isn't apparent at all beyond your opinion. Don't confuse opinions with facts.
The only Nintendo console that was a real success, outside of the Wii fluke, was the SNES. And even that console wasn't always on top it just barely beat out its competition.
This isn't true either entirely. The Wii was not a fluke and you well know it. It was the top-selling system of its era among the big 3, and that's due to various factors. It hit every area people wanted, had a successful enough gimmick that the other two companies wanted to try and bank on it(they failed to make it work nearly as well as the Wii Remote)
Every other console failed. Nothing has changed.
Sales show otherwise. As ManlySpirit's data proves, this isn't remotely true. You're going to need to cite this properly, not constantly repeat stuff while refusing to back it up.
There is no real reason, outside of optimism, to assume the switch will succeed when no Nintendo console has been able to for so many console generations.
Well, considering everything was a commercial success outside of the Wii U(which is still actually a popular system, but that's an outlier of very specific games, but does count as a legit failure) and Virtual Boy fact-wise...
They have dug a hole too deep for them to get out of. they can't even sell to children anymore.
Not true either. Pokemon is an amazing example of why this is wrong. The 3DS(and variants) are amazing sellers among kids and adults alike. Also, the 3DS is the biggest selling system of theirs in Japan to date. Again, this is specifically an issue with the Wii U, not them as a whole. Of course, there's some games that went directions some don't like(Paper Mario), but this doesn't deter from general sales, just one series entirely at best, and Sticker Star was the best selling PM game to date(at its time. Color Splash may run it out of the water).
Most kids play COD and GTA. Not Nintendo. Even the list of third party on the switch isn't enough to sell it on 3rd parties alone. You need A LOT of third part. You cant share all that 3rd party with 3 consoles at least not at this point. I mean seriously how can Nintendo recover from this? They are screwed. And Nintendo still uses another gimmick for this one. Tradition with no gimmicks sells consoles. Up to date graphics and hardwhare sells consoles. 3rd party games sell. A console you can take on the go isn't traditional for a console. Its a gimmick. You cant sell a console on gimmicks that aren't even in demand from anyone anyway. If people really wanted to play a console game on the go it would have been done before, let alone it would have already been in demand. The psvita could do it and i don't remember that kicking off.
We know they're not banking on pure 3rd parties alone. They've already shown off tons of games that look amazing. Not everybody cares about graphics and hardware alone anyway. They also heavily care about topnotch and quality gameplay, something Nintendo heavily delivers. In fact, that's their most consistent point(bar Paper Mario, but then again, with Sticker Star being the top selling Paper Mario game, although as I said, Color Splash could outdwarf it, but clearly that isn't a problem either). Not everybody cares about GTA or CoD either. Neither of which are exclusive series. Halo is more hyped up at this point, mainly due to having a better story, something tons of gamers care about too.
I really have never seen such a huge amount of optimism being spread and over hyped to pass off the success a console in my life. There is really NOTHING to suggest this will or even can compete with ps4 and xbox.
There is absolutely nothing to suggest it won't compete. An amazing track record with two legitimate failures. More than enough power to run Skyrim. There's nothing clearly wrong with the graphics at all. They wouldn't show those previews unless they were sure the system could hold up. Those 3rd parties didn't sign on for no reason. They knew what they were doing.
Yes, some are way too optimistic to the point of ignoring the idea that the Switch might not do well. It's fine to believe it probably will do well, however. But acting like it is impossible to do well is just as bad as acting like it absolutely will do well. Very few people are doing either of this, and most feel it has a good chance. And it makes sense too. Nintendo properly gave it a reasonable preview. Being skeptical is fine, as well. Being overly negative while ignoring many facts is not fine and just annoys people.
I'll leave with this statement for you; the facts do speak for themselves. Nintendo is a very successful company(with only two legitimate failures fact-wise, which there's no real use denying. Only the Wii U and Virtual Boy legit failed, to the point that even Nintendo themselves made that very clear. It's why the Wii U is outright being taken down earlier than some expect. And if it wasn't for the tablet costing way too much to make, they could easily continue the system. Right now, that single factor alone costs them too much money to keep around. They have a far less expensive(proportionately) system to produce now, one that already has people quite optimistic about, and that's due to many reasons). While the Wii is an outlier, this does not make it a fluke, either) and while it's true they aren't the best at hardware, they make up for it with affordable prices, extremely successful practices, and being one of the most infamous 1st party companies of all time. This isn't a coincidence or some fluke. They damn well earned it. The doomsaying isn't even close to justified here in any possible way. Skepticism is, doomsaying is not.
