Nintendo Press Conference

[Firus]

But ultra IS better than the original. I may be wrong, but from what I played, the games play exactly the same as the originals, albeit, with improved graphics. (There most likely are some very small changes here and there, but I couldn't notice them.) AND with the added bonus of brand new games.

The reason why Ultra scored slightly lower than the original is obvious. Even if Ultra has more content, it's still a remake of an older game. Obviously, certain things that were impressive back then aren't so now.

Either that, or different reviewers.

With the way remakes these days work, I'd be SHOCKED if Super Star Ultra were really the original with better graphics and more games. Either way, I'd have to play both to make my judgment.

My point with the rating was this; if it's so superior to the original, why wouldn't it be a little bit higher at the least after factoring in these things?

 

[SkylerOcon]

Ultra is better. It's still the same game, just better graphics, more modes, more minigames, and everything. The touch-screen isn't used in a way that's annoying, it's used when it's neccessary and useful. Have you seen the reviews of it that have less that like an 8.5? People flamed it.

KSSU is at least a 9. Most people will agree on that. KSS is at least an 8.

 

[Chief Mendez]

about the remakes. didn't the re4 one cost like $30. maybe nintendo will follow capcoms example a charge $30 for the remakes as at that price they will still be making profits as adding motion controls, improving graphics, and prodicing wont cost them too much.

In Japan, they're marked at the Yen equivalent of about 36USD, so yeah, 30$ is probably a good price to expect.

I should also note that as of now, the Play on Wii games have not been announced for any markets outside of Japan. They probably will, but apparently Japanese gamers have different, more lenient sensibilities about this kind of thing than Western gamers, so there's always that possibility...

But for once could they stop trying to make an ***load of money?

...Um, no? C'mon, that's what they're here for.

Say it did fail because it's not a big-name franchises. So exactly what do we do about that?

Release it again on a system that has a much larger installed user base!



And personally, I'd give Super Star like, a 5. I'm not a big Kirby fan, but I've now at least cleared several games in both versions, and the remake's better. The only graphical changes that I can see are more animation frames fro basically everything, and 3D cinema sequences.

 

[derek.haines]

Okay, I know a lot of people say that, but I didn't find them to be that much better. I mean, okay, the motion sensor is nice so you don't have to press 'R' to move freely. But ultimately it's only a minor inconvenience in the beginning, if you ask me, because you get used to it rather quickly. And then the control of missiles was actually rather poor -- it's awkward to reach up and press the bottom of the control pad.

The original Metroid Prime is a hands-down classic, no doubt about it. But go back through and check out the vast majority of critical reviews and you'll see that in large part the only fault many could find in the game was that the controls were slightly convoluted (10 hours in and still shooting missles when you wanted to open the map). Compare that to the reviews of Corruption, and you'll see that the vast majority of critics (most of whom had likely played the original) found the controls to be a God-send, allowing for a level of accuracy previously unheard of on a home console. I'd tend to agree with them, too.

Plus, it's the original. Maybe I'm just a geek this way, but I always prefer to have the absolute original.

So Alexey Pajitnov's original version of Tetris designed for 80's black and white PCs is better than the legendary Game Boy version?

 

[GreenKirby]

With the way remakes these days work, I'd be SHOCKED if Super Star Ultra were really the original with better graphics and more games. Either way, I'd have to play both to make my judgment.

My point with the rating was this; if it's so superior to the original, why wouldn't it be a little bit higher at the least after factoring in these things?

Sonic Adventure 2 was rated higher than it's clearly superior GCN remake. And didn't you say you like that?

 

[Bowser King]

Sonic Adventure 2 was rated higher than it's clearly superior GCN remake. And didn't you say you like that?

SAB2 was an amazing game. The multiplayer was fun and it a lot better then the original.

I'm just sad people expect more from a remake >_>

-[Font=Impact"]Bowser King[/Font]

 

[Darkslash]

The original Metroid Prime is a hands-down classic, no doubt about it. But go back through and check out the vast majority of critical reviews and you'll see that in large part the only fault many could find in the game was that the controls were slightly convoluted (10 hours in and still shooting missles when you wanted to open the map). Compare that to the reviews of Corruption, and you'll see that the vast majority of critics (most of whom had likely played the original) found the controls to be a God-send, allowing for a level of accuracy previously unheard of on a home console. I'd tend to agree with them, too.

That too...I'm okay with Dual Anolog sticks but MP3 controls are a Godsend. In Medal of Honor Heroes 2 Its the product of the Godsend.

 

[notftomearth7]

I would like to just point out the Chief Mendez is the only one who's contributed anything of value to this discussion for at least 5 pages now.


Have a good day

 

[Firus]

The original Metroid Prime is a hands-down classic, no doubt about it. But go back through and check out the vast majority of critical reviews and you'll see that in large part the only fault many could find in the game was that the controls were slightly convoluted (10 hours in and still shooting missles when you wanted to open the map). Compare that to the reviews of Corruption, and you'll see that the vast majority of critics (most of whom had likely played the original) found the controls to be a God-send, allowing for a level of accuracy previously unheard of on a home console. I'd tend to agree with them, too.

I heard lots of criticism of the controls of Prime 1 and 2. But I also heard complaints about Cel-Shaded graphics in Wind Waker and an insane (given the game) amount of praise for Sonic and the Secret Rings (I'm sorry, that game is, hands down, a piece of crap). I also heard awful things about Sonic '06, but I gave it a try myself and thank god I did, because I find it to be actually rather enjoyable. Not perfect, but way better than it was given credit for, and certainly better than Secret Rings.

My point? The critics can have opinions that I disagree with, and oftentimes, they do.

So Alexey Pajitnov's original version of Tetris designed for 80's black and white PCs is better than the legendary Game Boy version?

Gameplay-wise? Maybe not. I haven't played both, so I can't judge for myself. But it's the same reason I bought Super Metroid for the VC and then again for my SNES (other than the fact that it's actually worse on the VC -- and I'm not making that up). You know how you told me that as a gamer, I owe it to myself to get the latest handhelds and such when referring to the DSi? Well, I feel that, as a gamer, you owe it to yourself to get the original game if you're going to get the game.

Sonic Adventure 2 was rated higher than it's clearly superior GCN remake. And didn't you say you like that?

I haven't played both (I'd love to get the original, but I don't own a Dreamcast

Spoiler

yet

and the SA games are hard to come by anyways if you want a good deal on them) so I wouldn't necessarily be able to say it was "clearly superior". And no, I'm not going to automatically take anyone's word for that, I never do.

Either way, critics generally expect more out of a remake, and so if both of the originals got rated higher it probably means that both were very similar to the original, or similar enough that perhaps a remake wasn't in order. Which goes back to my original point that remakes shouldn't be shelled out just to make money.

I'm just sad people expect more from a remake >_>

-[Font=Impact"]Bowser King[/Font]

I'm...sorry, unless the company does mass re-releasing, there's no excuse for a half-***ed "remake" that's the exact same as the original.

Perhaps you've forgotten the point of a REMAKE. It's to revive an old title and enhance it now that technology has advanced. Not to put a game out there again for the company to make a metric ton of money (although clearly that's their purpose now).

I would like to just point out the Chief Mendez is the only one who's contributed anything of value to this discussion for at least 5 pages now.

Have a good day

CONGRATULATIONS! YOU JUST SPAMMED!

Way to go for the completely ironic, contradictory position! Yeah!

 

[Chief Mendez]

(I'd love to get the original, but I don't own a Dreamcast

Spoiler

yet

)

You could actually save yourself a lot of trouble and just buy an original XBOX. Aside from a very scant few games (Seaman, Berserk, Toy Commander, Virtual On), all of the Dreamcast's big hits are available in enhanced version on Microsoft's first system. For less money, even.

Perhaps you've forgotten the point of a REMAKE. It's to revive an old title and enhance it now that technology has advanced. Not to put a game out there again for the company to make a metric ton of money (although clearly that's their purpose now).

So Wiimakes are wrong because there's not enough new stuff in them?

 

[Bowser King]

I'm...sorry, unless the company does mass re-releasing, there's no excuse for a half-***ed "remake" that's the exact same as the original.

Perhaps you've forgotten the point of a REMAKE. It's to revive an old title and enhance it now that technology has advanced. Not to put a game out there again for the company to make a metric ton of money (although clearly that's their purpose now).

Firus, remaking a game is usually done to allow people who have never played the series or games before to get a chance. SAB2 was a great idea from Sega because there are a lot of people out there that are Nintendo fans and haven't had a console other then from Nintendo.
Releasing SAB2 allowed people to play it if they didn't own a dreamcast (which If I recall, wasn't very popular).


-Bowser King

 

[Chief Mendez]

Hey look! New content!

>Nintendo Points won't be transferable between your Wii and DSi's online shops. So if you buy a 2000 Point card, once you redeem it on the DSi's shop, you'll have to spend all 2000 points on DSi Ware, not anything Wii-related.

...Bummer, eh?

>Good news though! Joystiq has a bunch of hands-on impressions from Thursday and Friday's media summit, so head on over there and read up, yo!

In particular HOLY CRAP MADWORLD LOOKS AWESOME! I wish my name was Herr Frederick Von Twirlenkiller...

 

[tirkaro]

Jesus christ, MadWorld looks like pure awesomeness, concentrated, and converted to the form of a video game, barely stuffed into a wii disk.
Plus, always nice to see some rap respect in Video Games.

As for Nintendo Points, tis quite a bummer, but I was actually expecting something like that. But if it means getting Oracle of Ages+Seasons, Pokemon GS, and Mother 3 (Pleeeeeeze?) on DS, I have no complaints.

 

[Lord Viper]

It's odd that the Nintendo Press Conference didn't say anything about the Kirby game for the Wii, I hope to god they didn't give up on that game, that game looks like it's the best Kirby game thought of.

Other than that, Mario & Luigi sieres has always came out in the US first so I'll be looking forward to this game title as well because it's one of my favorites. :D

Edit: The point card system is what I thought it would be, I kind of thought it would be a little too complicated if they did use share points. ;p

 

[Bowser King]

Hey look! New content!

>Nintendo Points won't be transferable between your Wii and DSi's online shops. So if you buy a 2000 Point card, once you redeem it on the DSi's shop, you'll have to spend all 2000 points on DSi Ware, not anything Wii-related.

...Bummer, eh?

>Good news though! Joystiq has a bunch of hands-on impressions from Thursday and Friday's media summit, so head on over there and read up, yo!

In particular HOLY CRAP MADWORLD LOOKS AWESOME! I wish my name was Herr Frederick Von Twirlenkiller...

Bad New: I don't care but it would have been cool if we could have used point cards for both wii and DS. It's not really that big a shock anyway.

Good News: That game looks really good.

The hands on thoughts of joystiq was pretty interesting.

-Bowser King

 

[Darkslash]

Jesus christ, MadWorld looks like pure awesomeness, concentrated, and converted to the form of a video game, barely stuffed into a wii disk.
Plus, always nice to see some rap respect in Video Games.

Under ratted much?


I rather call it a Blood River Ransom which makes Gears of War 2 for grandmas and makes the Falcon punch look like the Ingus Tap( if you have Final Fantasy III DS you'll know what i mean)

PLUS: I can't wait for Call of duty World at War. I just want me to BBQ some Imperialiists. Kinda Ironic that game is also on Japanese consoles.

 

[Fox_Rocks]

Nintendo Points won't be transferable between your Wii and DSi's online shops. So if you buy a 2000 Point card, once you redeem it on the DSi's shop, you'll have to spend all 2000 points on DSi Ware, not anything Wii-related.

What's the point in calling them "Nintendo" Points when they can't be used for either system? Why not just use the respective system name?

 

[derek.haines]

What's the point in calling them "Nintendo" Points when they can't be used for either system? Why not just use the respective system name?

Calling them Nintendo Points allows them to be marketed on a single gift card, lowering the already minimal production costs from making two different ones.

 

[Chief Mendez]

Earlier I made a little impromptu list of cool stuff Club Nintendo's given away, but DS Fanboy has a much better list up on their website now.

Take a gander, and eagerly await the end of the year!: http://www.dsfanboy.com/photos/club-nintendo-awesomeness/

@tirkaro: I know, right? I've been playing that trailer in a background tab for most of the day, just for that awesome music.

 

[Firus]

You could actually save yourself a lot of trouble and just buy an original XBOX. Aside from a very scant few games (Seaman, Berserk, Toy Commander, Virtual On), all of the Dreamcast's big hits are available in enhanced version on Microsoft's first system. For less money, even.

Actually, it'd be MUCH easier to get a Dreamcast. My friend collected one at a yard sale and is going to sell it to me. So I'll get a reasonable price, it's reliable (my friend isn't going to sell me a bad console), and it's easy to get.

And as I've said before, I largely prefer to have the original title.

So Wiimakes are wrong because there's not enough new stuff in them?

...Yes, is there something wrong with that?

Firus, remaking a game is usually done to allow people who have never played the series or games before to get a chance. SAB2 was a great idea from Sega because there are a lot of people out there that are Nintendo fans and haven't had a console other then from Nintendo.
Releasing SAB2 allowed people to play it if they didn't own a dreamcast (which If I recall, wasn't very popular).

-Bowser King

Okay, SA2B I'll give you. Gamecube games, there's no excuse. Not only are they not that difficult to find but you don't even need a separate console to play the originals. The Wii can play them all.

Jesus christ, MadWorld looks like pure awesomeness, concentrated, and converted to the form of a video game, barely stuffed into a wii disk.
Plus, always nice to see some rap respect in Video Games.

...It looks like a gorefest with black and white graphics. Why do people think so highly of it?

And rap = lose.

As for Nintendo Points, tis quite a bummer, but I was actually expecting something like that. But if it means getting Oracle of Ages+Seasons, Pokemon GS, and Mother 3 (Pleeeeeeze?) on DS, I have no complaints.

Heh. Yeah, I'm sure we'll get Mother 3, considering that we don't even have EARTHBOUND yet, and that was actually released outside of Japan.

I rather call it a Blood River Ransom which makes Gears of War 2 for grandmas and makes the Falcon punch look like the Ingus Tap

I stopped reading there.

There's no limit to what you can say about how great Mad World is, even if I happen to think you're completely wrong. But to degrade the Falcon Punch at all, much less as a failed attempt at a joke to raise up a game which looks to be severely lacking in substance...no.

 

[Darkslash]

I stopped reading there.

There's no limit to what you can say about how great Mad World is, even if I happen to think you're completely wrong. But to degrade the Falcon Punch at all, much less as a failed attempt at a joke to raise up a game which looks to be severely lacking in substance...no.

To be honest I don't know what the whole Hype about Mad World is. Sure its bloody and stuff but that comment was Sarcasm. My Original One was around the lines of

Over Ratted Much? Seriously its a beat em up. But then some one might say that about the Conduit as well.. Oh well each gamer to their own then.

 

[Firus]

To be honest I don't know what the whole Hype about Mad World is. Sure its bloody and stuff but that comment was Sarcasm. My Original One was around the lines of

Over Ratted Much? Seriously its a beat em up. But then some one might say that about the Conduit as well.. Oh well each gamer to their own then.

Oh. Yeah, I totally agree then. Sorry about that.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Geez, way to be a buzz kill Firus. : /

Also, rap isn't fail.

Modern Rap/Hip Hop is Fail, just to clear that up. This is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nzHIx4fVuE

 

[tirkaro]

...It looks like a gorefest with black and white graphics. Why do people think so highly of it?

And rap = lose.

It's made by most of the same people who made God Hand.(also, viewtiful joe, and Okami) If it's anything like that game, which it very much does so far, but with much more gore, then it can only be pure awesome.

also:

Geez, way to be a buzz kill Firus. : /

Also, rap isn't fail.

Modern Rap/Hip Hop is Fail, just to clear that up. This is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nzHIx4fVuE

this.

 

[GreenKirby]

...It looks like a gorefest with black and white graphics. Why do people think so highly of it?

And rap = lose.

Great, another white guy who never listens to underground rap.

Besides, your love child, Sonic Adventure 2, had rap music. And it was gooooooooooooood.

"You know me. The Fighting Freak Knuckles. And we're at Pumpkin Hill. You ready?"

 

[Chief Mendez]

...Yes, is there something wrong with that?

Yes. Yes there is.

...But I think this argument's reached it's saturation point. So let's just drop it, shall we?

And rap = lose.

My feelings about this comment can only be expressed thusly:

@GreenKirby: I think most of the 3D Sonics have had rap in them somewhere. Either that or the illustrious musical genre known only as "Butt Rock".

...Which isn't really better.
"The new porcupine on the block with the puff chest
Outta the wilderness with the ruggedness
Knock, knock, it's Knuckles, the bloat thrower"

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DISCLAIMER: I looked those up on the internet. I have no idea what the lyrics for the Knuckles rap actually are.

EDIT - Also I just found out something neat about MadWorld. Apparently right now, it's only being released in the US. What's so neat about that is that Platinum Games (the developer) is apparently keeping the ESRB updated continuously, so as not to surprise them with the final build and be slapped with an AO rating.

In simpler terms, they're getting the very most out of that M rating.

 

[Bowser King]

I remember the knuckles rap from the 1st knuckles stage.

It talked about how Roughe was smexy.

-Bowser King

 

[Firus]

Geez, way to be a buzz kill Firus. : /

Also, rap isn't fail.

Modern Rap/Hip Hop is Fail, just to clear that up. This is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nzHIx4fVuE

I love how expressing my opinions is bad and being a "buzz kill".

Rap is a love it or hate it genre, like country. I, and most of the people I know, hate the genre. MUSICALLY. Because I don't even find it to be music.

It's made by most of the same people who made God Hand.(also, viewtiful joe, and Okami) If it's anything like that game, which it very much does so far, but with much more gore, then it can only be pure awesome.

Why does gore make it a good thing?

Great, another white guy who never listens to underground rap.

Besides, your love child, Sonic Adventure 2, had rap music. And it was gooooooooooooood.

"You know me. The Fighting Freak Knuckles. And we're at Pumpkin Hill. You ready?"

First of all, again, I don't like it MUSICALLY. It's words with rhythm. It doesn't have emotion to me, it doesn't have meaning, it's not as awesome as normal music to me. It's not a crime to dislike it just because you do. It's called an -- and I know this is a tough concept to everyone on this forum, but let me see if I can make you understand -- opinion.

...How is SA2 my "love child"? Do you even know what that means? And where did you get the idea that SA2 is my favorite game ever or something? It's a good game, granted, but there are MANY, MUCH better games out there. (Read: Sega Genesis/SNES games)

Also, I didn't like it there. I found it to be QUITE obnoxious.
I love Metroid Fusion, too, but does it annoy me that you can't single wall jump or sequence break? Yes. I'm allowed to find flaws in a game that I like, except for Super Metroid, of course.

My feelings about this comment can only be expressed thusly:

Again, it's called an opinion, and I know many people who would agree.

EDIT - Also I just found out something neat about MadWorld. Apparently right now, it's only being released in the US. What's so neat about that is that Platinum Games (the developer) is apparently keeping the ESRB updated continuously, so as not to surprise them with the final build and be slapped with an AO rating.

In simpler terms, they're getting the very most out of that M rating.

Great.

You guys are only supporting Nintendo's delusion that gore and an M rating = hardcore game. This game and No More Heroes are going to prove that. And I own ONE M game. It's a good one, granted, but...ugh, I've given up on Nintendo anyways. Screw it.

I remember the knuckles rap from the 1st knuckles stage.

It talked about how Roughe was smexy.

-Bowser King

I believe the exact words were...

"Yeah, Rouge she's sexy and smooth."
>_>
<_<

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Wait, wait. Moar good rap is found in this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDs-lPmIUec

And it's Melee, too!

Moar Nintendo hype, people. Less hate.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Darkslash]

URRRG MY EARS THEY HURT..Sorry but i think I can only stand asian rap...or rap found in games.

I gotta agree with Firus on this one. I mean it only has 3 goddam colors for Christ sake.

 

[Lord Viper]

When it comes to rap, usually great beat, flow and rhythm get's a **** load of support and fans, unless your the type fo person that's bored and hears whatever's on the CD and stuff.

But anyways, only question that I have is what will Nintendo do to the Kirby game that's supose to come out in Japan this year but hasn't been shown?

 

[tirkaro]

I love how expressing my opinions is bad and being a "buzz kill".

Disagreeing with an opinion is just as much of an opinion as an opinion is. That's something that everyone who hides behind the great wall of "IMO" needs to learn, IMO.

Why does gore make it a good thing?

it doesn't. It's just that God Hand wasn't as gory, and I was pointing it out.

Great.

You guys are only supporting Nintendo's delusion that gore and an M rating = hardcore game. This game and No More Heroes are going to prove that. And I own ONE M game. It's a good one, granted, but...ugh, I've given up on Nintendo anyways. Screw it.

Oh come on, firus, let us have some fun for once. The over-the-top violence it's just entertaining is all. (Of course, you obviously can't completely rely on it, but it doesn't look like it's doing that, being made by most of the clover folks, who were some of the best modern game developers ever.)

I gotta agree with Firus on this one. I mean it only has 3 goddam colors for Christ sake.

..........AND?
Seriously, if you're going to judge a game just because it looks like a coloring book, you better expand your horizons a bit.

 

[GreenKirby]

First of all, again, I don't like it MUSICALLY. It's words with rhythm. It doesn't have emotion to me, it doesn't have meaning, it's not as awesome as normal music to me. It's not a crime to dislike it just because you do. It's called an -- and I know this is a tough concept to everyone on this forum, but let me see if I can make you understand -- opinion.

Oh well, I like them all except Death Chamber

...How is SA2 my "love child"? Do you even know what that means? And where did you get the idea that SA2 is my favorite game ever or something? It's a good game, granted, but there are MANY, MUCH better games out there. (Read: Sega Genesis/SNES games)

I just said it was your love child for the lulz

 

[SPC M. Angseth]

Wait, wait. Moar good rap is found in this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDs-lPmIUec

And it's Melee, too!

Moar Nintendo hype, people. Less hate.

Smooth Criminal

Spit dat troof and hot fiya! MELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

 

[Darkslash]

..........AND?
Seriously, if you're going to judge a game just because it looks like a coloring book, you better expand your horizons a bit.

Noo...I'm judging it because it has 3 colors. Its either

A)The Devs want to highlight the blood TO THE MAXXXXXXX
B) They're Lazy to put some color into it.

Hell Final fantasy 1 had more colors on the NES

 

[Chief Mendez]

I gotta agree with Firus on this one. I mean it only has 3 goddam colors for Christ sake.

Technically it has more than that, if you count the SFX.

Anyways, I don't see how this matters at all. So the game's got a (totally awesome) sense of style. Why the hate?

You guys are only supporting Nintendo's delusion that gore and an M rating = hardcore game. This game and No More Heroes are going to prove that.

1. If you can find me an M-rated game that isn't intended for the "hardcore" audience, I'll give you a cookie. M rating = hardcore. This is a fact.

2. As far as the rap thing goes...you can have your opinions, but just know that you're wrong about this.

You can say "most rap = fail", or "the rap I hear on the radio/MTV/VH1 = fail", or something similar...but you can't realistically say an entire genre of music is bad. That'd be like me saying that every racing simulator or RTS is sh*t, just because I'm not a fan of the genre from what I've played (which, coincidentally, has basically been StarCraft and 40K).

You just haven't heard the right stuff yet.

 

[Bowser King]

Nintendo conference= talking about rap?

amirte :D?

-Bowser King

 

[Chief Mendez]

amirte :D?

Word. :D

Spoiler

10wankstas

 

[Darkslash]

To be honest i think i only listen to game rap...

But maybe this color thing was just some last minute excuse.

When i first saw the trailer for mad World i was like AWWW HELL YEA
But now its slowly turning into a minigame compliation. I'll just have to wait and see then. I'll just shut up about Mad World

 

[Yuna-Maria]

1. If you can find me an M-rated game that isn't intended for the "hardcore" audience, I'll give you a cookie. M rating = hardcore. This is a fact.

Game. Set. Match.