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Event - E3 Invitational 2014 Nintendo announces Skylanders-esque figurines to be shown at E3, what could it mean for Smash?

Would you like to see these NFC figurines integrated into Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS


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ChikoLad

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http://www.wired.com/2014/05/nintendo-nfc-figurines/

Nintendo will create interactive figurines like the ones used in popular videogames like Skylanders andDisney Infinity of its popular characters like Super Mario, which will work with a variety of different new games for Wii U and 3DS, the company’s CEO Satoru Iwata has said at a briefing for investors.

The figurines are an attempt at leveraging the enduring popularity of Nintendo’s stable of characters to sell more gaming hardware and software. On Wednesday, Nintendo announced the financial results for its most recent fiscal year, which ended on March 31, and the numbers were not pretty: It posted an operating loss of about $450 million, and said it was only able to sell about 2.7 million units of Wii U throughout the world during that 12-month period. (By comparison, rival Sony recently said it has sold 7 million PlayStation 4 consoles since it launched in November.)

As illustrated in the slide above from Iwata’s presentation, which took place Thursday morning in Japan, Nintendo aims to position the figures as not being tied to any single game or genre, but as accessories that can be used with a wide variety of different games. It plans to release them during this holiday season.

The figurines are “a new business that will someday become one of our core activities,” Iwata said.

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Nintendo said, as shown above, that by transferring game data back and forth between a variety of games and the character figurines, players can create a “personal, customized” character. Its code name for the initiative is “NFP,” for “Nintendo Figurine Platform.”

The figures, Iwata said, will boost Nintendo’s presence in retail stores: “There are not only going to be decorative boxes for video game hardware and packages for software, but also Nintendo character figurines displayed on store shelves. This will provide exposure for Nintendo, play a great role in raising our brand awareness and create more opportunities for consumers to play video games,” he said.

Iwata only showed a Mario figurine in his presentation and did not specify any particular genres of games that it would function with. Iwata said that more details, likely including specific games and more specific figurines, at the E3 Expo, which will take place in Los Angeles from June 10-12.
I just quoted the key parts of the article, full article in the link above.

So yeah, considering how big of a series Smash is, and we hardly know much about the Wii U version particularly, I think it's a safe bet that we'll see these integrated into Smash Bros in some way. The question is, how?

More importantly, would you WANT to see this integrated into Smash at all?

I personally wouldn't mind it if done right, I'll come back and give more detailed thoughts later.
 

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Game A looks like New Super Mario Bros U, Game B looks like Super Mario 3d World, and I don't know what Game C is.
 

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Game A looks like New Super Mario Bros U, Game B looks like Super Mario 3d World, and I don't know what Game C is.
Don't take the games that are shown in that example as games that will actually use it. They just can't show off new games that will be announced at E3. This slide is just a hypothetical example.
 

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This is highly intriguing. And actually a rather smart movie based on the success of Disney Infinity and Skylanders.

Though one has to wonder how differently they will function from games of that nature.
 

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Personally I think Nintnedo should've launched the console with this. That way parents would be willing to pay for it.

In any case I hope there's some functionality but nothing like buy the figure to unlock the character.
 
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Personally I think Nintnedo sho0uld've launched the console with this. That way parents would be willing to pay for it.

In any case I hope there's some functionality but nothing like buy the figure to unlock the character.
im on the same page, but being that i havent played skylanders or infinity, what would these figures do? besides unlock characters.
 

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Personally I think Nintnedo sho0uld've launched the console with this. That way parents would be willing to pay for it.

In any case I hope there's some functionality but nothing like buy the figure to unlock the character.
Yes, but this will coax me to buy it.
 

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I am not going to lie: I would blow all of my money on a series of real-life Smash Bros. trophies.
 
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Just a thought, but maybe these are what will allow us to customize movesets?
I mean I doubt they would be for unlocking characters unless there's also other ways to do it, Nintendo isn't a company that would do something like that, but it would make sense for these to be what allows you to customize character movesets.
 

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Just a thought, but maybe these are what will allow us to customize movesets?
I mean I doubt they would be for unlocking characters unless there's also other ways to do it, Nintendo isn't a company that would do something like that, but it would make sense for these to be what allows you to customize character movesets.
You mean you would unlock new moves from different figures?
 
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You mean you would unlock new moves from different figures?
More like having the figurine for a specific character would allow you to customize said characters moveset, not just unlocking a single move.
 
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This would be interesting for Smash Bros, especially if they're doing this for Smash, then at E3 they can reveal a few newcomers you can only unlock from purchasing these figures.
I've never gotten into the NFC things, but I should. They're collectable, really cool, and if it's Nintendo I love it.
 

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Listen, I love tchotchkes as much as the next guy but I'm very leery of this.
I just see $$$$$.
 

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I generally do not have a clue how it will work, but I would like to see how Nintendo can implement this form of technology into their games. Just hoping they will show an example of this within E3.
 

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I feel as though it would be great if you had to purchase the figure to unlock the character in the game. :denzel:
I would be fine with this if it were an optional form of DLC.

Also, it's been said that this could be a way of transferring moveset data. Sounds like a cool idea to me.
 

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I would be fine with this if it were an optional form of DLC.

Also, it's been said that this could be a way of transferring moveset data. Sounds like a cool idea to me.
That is actually a cool idea, instead of configuring your control scheme in addition to your move-set, you could store it on a little figure. That being said, I would feel obligated to purchase one for every character, but that would be insanely expensive. So I am going to probably just buy one for all of my mains (Zelda, Ganondorf, Link).
 
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I'm against these Skylanders-esque stuff. I rather have all the content initially instead having to buy some toy set just to get content. I'm not even a fan of the marketing approach as I find it to be a cheap way to make money.

I would be absolutely ticked off if this was incorporated into Smash. I want to buy the game knowing that everything is there.
 

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I'm against these Skylanders-esque stuff. I rather have all the content initially instead having to buy some toy set just to get content. I'm not even a fan of the marketing approach as I find it to be a cheap way to make money.

I would be absolutely ticked off if this was incorporated into Smash. I want to buy the game knowing that everything is there.
I agree with this sentiment. You shouldn't have to purchase anything to unlock on-disc content; there should be an alternative.
 
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I agree with this sentiment. You shouldn't have to purchase anything to unlock on-disc content; there should be an alternative.
As I've said before, I don't think Nintendo is the type of company to pull that type of ****. It's probably going to be something like costumes or trophies, or being the platform for custom movesets at most.
 

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I'm against these Skylanders-esque stuff. I rather have all the content initially instead having to buy some toy set just to get content. I'm not even a fan of the marketing approach as I find it to be a cheap way to make money.

I would be absolutely ticked off if this was incorporated into Smash. I want to buy the game knowing that everything is there.
What if the game were released at a low price, and you only paid for features you wanted to play in the game? The way I see Nintendo doing it is pricing it such that the overall cost is only slightly more than what a regular game would cost, or because the figurines work with more than one game you get more of your money's worth.
 

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It's good to see that Nintendo's revisiting the R.O.B. strategy: introduce something useful for games in a form of toy so others can buy it.
 

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As I've said before, I don't think Nintendo is the type of company to pull that type of ****. It's probably going to be something like costumes or trophies, or being the platform for custom movesets at most.
I agree; I am just asserting that on-disc content unlocked through the method of purchasing something should only be an alternative. You should still be able to unlock whatever on-disc content through game-play.
 

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It seems to be the modern E reader apparently :)

Not sure what I think about this but I don't think it will be into smash for characters and stages maybe trophies however? I won't pay for it but it's better than having a game save file so...
 

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So here's how I think/hope it's gonna go down:

For Fighters

All characters announced in time for the 3DS version will be available in the game as normal (as well as unlockables). Both the Wii U Smash and the NFC figures launch this holiday season. So we will get figurines to go along with Smash (however, characters in the 3DS version by default will be in the Wii U version by default). We will get ones for at least some of the existing characters, and we will get a new character or two. These figures will be a vehicle for Nintendo DLC, including Smash. Instead of purchasing new characters digitally, you will purchase them as figures. Data for these characters will be added as patches, and the toys will be the keys.

But wait - the 3DS won't be able to use the NFC technology until sometime in the first half of 2015, because the 3DS does not have the NFC technology built in, and will require a peripheral to be developed. So what does that mean for any extra Smash characters released as figurines in time for the Wii U version?

They'll be timed exclusives for Wii U. Just to clarify, the data for these characters will not be present on the 3DS cart. They would be installed as patches when the 3DS peripheral is available. The developers are not holding these characters back from the 3DS version, they are literally creating extra characters AFTER the 3DS version is out. Extra DLC characters, essentially.

I know some people will say this is unfair, but 3DS owners will have Smash a couple of months early, so I feel like any argument that this is unfair goes out the window. It's a fair trade off - get the game a few months early (with exclusive features like Smash Run), but wait a few months extra for your version to be compatible with the new characters. This would be a great way to help the Wii U and it's version of Smash sell better. The existing 3DS fans will have a genuine reason to get a Wii U and it's version of Smash, brand new, over the holiday season.

Other Features

-Custom movesets could be stored on each figurine.
-When you clear Classic Mode with a character, you get their "Smash" trophy, where they are in their pose from the character select screen, and information about them as a Smash fighter will be displayed. When you clear All-Star Mode, you get the "Final Smash" trophy, like in Brawl. If you have a figurine of a character, you can scan it and receive a "Classic" trophy, and you get a trophy where they are in whatever pose they are in on the figurine, and information about their history is displayed.
-Smash Run equipment sets can be stored on each figurine.
-If the Wii U version has a robust single-player adventure with RPG elements like SSE and it's sticker system, customisation for that can be saved.
-A "Player Card" could be a common thing you could store on all of your figures, which has your NNID, your Mii, your record information, Global Smash Power, etc.

Justifying the price

So the most important thing, that makes or breaks this idea, is the price tag. We don't know how much they will be yet. But for the sake of discussion, Skylanders figurines on their own cost $8. So we will pretend they will cost this much.

I will view this as a justifiable price tag if many games support this NFC thing well. A big problem with Skylanders is that the toys are only compatible with Skylanders games, which are all of the same genre, and play overly similarly. Then you have Disney Infinity which, despite being FAR more impressive than Skylanders, and despite offering LittleBigPlanet-esque elements, and despite using actual beloved characters - it's only one game. So buying lots of these toys is a questionable practice, in terms of whether or not it's really worth it.

But Nintendo has mentioned that their toys will be compatible with multiple games of MULTIPLE GENRES. Which pushes up their worth a bunch if done right.

I'll use the Mario figurine as an example. Imagine if the Mario figurine could:

-Bank power-ups, lives, and coins that you can use across Super Mario 3D World, Super Mario 3D Land, NSMBU, and NSMB2 as you need to.
-Store customised kart data and time trial ghosts for Mario in Mario Kart 7 and Mario Kart 8.
-Store the information I described above in relation to Mario for Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS.

If the figurines could work something like that (I'm using existing games and Smash as examples, I don't think these will actually be integrated much into their back catalog, if at all), they'd TOTALLY be worth $8, especially considering that, not only would they allow cross-purchasing and cross-compatibility features in Nintendo games for your own personal benefit at home, but also allow you to take this data to a friends house and use your data while playing with them. Plus, you get a pretty figurine of your favourite Nintendo character to put on your shelf when it's not in use! That altogether would be great value!

So yeah, that's what I hope these figurines will be used for. If Nintendo does this sort of thing, it would really help unify Wii U and 3DS as one platform, rather than one being "the Nintendo console" and one being "the Nintendo handheld". It would help Wii U sales a ton if done right, by bringing the 3DS install base onto the Wii U, and possibly more people beyond that.

Also, I believe buying Smash Wii U should net you a free figurine of a character of your choice.
 
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So here's how I think it's gonna go down:

For Fighters

All characters announced in time for the 3DS version will be available in the game as normal (as well as unlockables). Both the Wii U Smash and the NFC figures launch this holiday season. So we will get figurines to go along with Smash (however, characters in the 3DS version by default will be in the Wii U version by default). We will get ones for at least some of the existing characters, and we will get a new character or two. These figures will be a vehicle for Nintendo DLC, including Smash. Instead of purchasing new characters digitally, you will purchase them as figures. Data for these characters will be added as patches, and the toys will be the keys.

But wait - the 3DS won't be able to use the NFC technology until sometime in the first half of 2015, because the 3DS does not have the NFC technology built in, and will require a peripheral to be developed. So what does that mean for any extra Smash characters released as figurines in time for the Wii U version?

They'll be timed exclusives for Wii U. Just to clarify, the data for these characters will not be present on the 3DS cart. They would be installed as patches when the 3DS peripheral is available. The developers are not holding these characters back from the 3DS version, they are literally creating extra characters AFTER the 3DS version is out. Extra DLC characters, essentially.

I know some people will say this is unfair, but 3DS owners will have Smash a couple of months early, so I feel like any argument that this is unfair goes out the window. It's a fair trade off - get the game a few months early (with exclusive features like Smash Run), but wait a few months extra for your version to be compatible with the new characters. This would be a great way to help the Wii U and it's version of Smash sell better. The existing 3DS fans will have a genuine reason to get a Wii U.

Other Features

-Custom movesets could be stored on each figurine.
-When you clear Classic Mode with a character, you get their "Smash" trophy, where they are in their pose from the character select screen, and information about them as a Smash fighter will be displayed. When you clear All-Star Mode, you get the "Final Smash" trophy, like in Brawl. If you have a figurine of a character, you can scan it and receive a "Classic" trophy, and you get a trophy where they are in whatever pose they are in on the figurine, and information about their history is displayed.
-Smash Run equipment sets can be stored on each figurine.
-If the Wii U version has a robust single-player adventure with RPG elements like SSE and it's sticker system, customisation for that can be saved.
-A "Player Card" could be a common thing you could store on all of your figures, which has your NNID, your Mii, your record information, Global Smash Power, etc.

Justifying the price

So the most important thing, that makes or breaks this idea, is the price tag. We don't know how much they will be yet. But for the sake of discussion, Skylanders figurines on their own cost $8. So we will pretend they will cost this much.

I will view this as a justifiable price tag if many games support this NFC thing well. A big problem with Skylanders is that the toys are only compatible with Skylanders games, which are all of the same genre, and play overly similarly. Then you have Disney Infinity which, despite being FAR more impressive than Skylanders, and despite offering LittleBigPlanet-esque elements, and despite using actual beloved characters - it's only one game. So buying lots of these toys is a questionable practice, in terms of whether or not it's really worth it.

But Nintendo has mentioned that their toys will be compatible with multiple games of MULTIPLE GENRES. Which pushes up their worth a bunch if done right.

I'll use the Mario figurine as an example. Imagine if the Mario figurine could:

-Bank power-ups, lives, and coins that you can use across Super Mario 3D World, Super Mario 3D Land, NSMBU, and NSMB2 as you need to.
-Store customised kart data and time trial ghosts for Mario in Mario Kart 7 and Mario Kart 8.
-Store the information I described above in relation to Mario for Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS.

If the figurines could work something like that (I'm using existing games and Smash as examples, I don't think these will actually be integrated much into their back catalog, if at all), they'd TOTALLY be worth $8, especially considering that, not only would they allow cross-purchasing and cross-compatibility features in Nintendo games for your own personal benefit at home, but also allow you to take this data to a friends house and use your data while playing with them. Plus, you get a pretty figurine of your favourite Nintendo character to put on your shelf when it's not in use! That altogether would be great value!

So yeah, that's what I hope these figurines will be used for. If Nintendo does this sort of thing, it would really help unify Wii U and 3DS as one platform, rather than one being "the Nintendo console" and one being "the Nintendo handheld". It would help Wii U sales a ton if done right, by bringing the 3DS install base onto the Wii U, and possibly more people beyond that.
I feel like you have justified the figurines adequately; I hope that they are used in the way you have just described.
 

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I would be very okay with that,.. since that means some kind of character DLC post launch.. not planned for the original roster; would be awesome.. really. and besides everything, we can get a beautiful and very well done figurine of the character we want in the game. :3

So here's how I think/hope it's gonna go down:
But wait - the 3DS won't be able to use the NFC technology until sometime in the first half of 2015, because the 3DS does not have the NFC technology built in, and will require a peripheral to be developed. So what does that mean for any extra Smash characters released as figurines in time for the Wii U version? [...]
actually, they just showed that peripheral at the Fiscal Meeting....

maybe its just a concept (I didn't read the entire context of the subject, but seems to be), or maybe they're already planning to show off at E3

I think we will have our NFC reader on 3DS sooner than we expect..
 
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I just like the figures themselves. Hopefully there's a diverse set of them. I'd like to collect them, haha. :D
 

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I would be very okay with that,.. since that means some kind of character DLC post launch.. not planned for the original roster; would be awesome.. really. and besides everything, we can get a beautiful and very well done figurine of the character we want in the game. :3



actually, they just showed that peripheral at the Fiscal Meeting....

maybe its just a concept (I didn't read the entire context of the subject, but seems to be), or maybe they're already planning to show off at E3

I think we will have our NFC reader on 3DS sooner than we expect..
I know they showed it, but they confirmed that it would not be out until next year.

That peripheral is likely just a CGI mock-up (the Mario figurine also looks like this to me).
 
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I know they showed it, but they confirmed that it would not be out until next year.

That peripheral is likely just a CGI mock-up (the Mario figurine also looks like this to me).
Ooh... nevermind, then.. :T; .. but it's a pretty good idea for the 3DS, imo.
 

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Here's how I see it.
Sakurai at the moment doesn't have any plans for DLC. So first day DLC is out of the question. And I also highly doubt that Sakurai would go the Skylanders route and make us get every character via this way. In a fighting game, the roster is vital to a game. Intentionally locking out characters alone could crumble the metagame.
If anything, I see it as more of a post DLC thing (making figurines to unlock add-on characters. Such as the veterans (possibly including Melee veterans) who were cut).
 
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