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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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If there's not a teaser, I expect more like Smash 4 where we get a reveal in the initial trailer and one in a separate trailer right after the fact, like Villager and Mega Man.
My opinion is that if it’s similar to Smash 4 then the number of old characters in the full reveal wouldn’t be that much like how Brawl only had 5 in E3 2006 while Smash 4 only had 9 in E3 2013.

Probably the main ones from franchises that are first/second party (generally 1-2 each) although not all them.
 

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My opinion is that if it’s similar to Smash 4 then the number of old characters in the full reveal wouldn’t be that much like how Brawl only had 5 in E3 2006 while Smash 4 only had 9 in E3 2013.

Probably the main ones from franchises that are first/second party (generally 1-2 each) although not all them.
I mean presumably we'd get occasional veteran reveals too in this game's marketing cycle like in Smash 4 since we're not likely to do EiH again and I don't think they'd do one single video to be like "Here's all of the veterans" because it invites direct comparison and makes people think more about who's missing, so whatever number they go for veteran-wise works out about the same I figure, even if it is a really basic "who's getting games recently" list lol
 
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I mean presumably we'd get occasional veteran reveals too in this game's marketing cycle like in Smash 4 since we're not likely to do EiH again and I don't think they'd do one single video to be like "Here's all of the veterans" because it invites direct comparison and makes people think more about who's missing, so whatever number they go for veteran-wise works out about the same I figure lol
I feel like it's going to draw comparisons to Everyone is Here regardless. There's no way to avoid the, "Well, Ultimate was better because it had __", better to pull the band-aid off early if you ask me.

Then again, I'm of the opinion that we'll have everyone back again and it'll be a better graphics "Ultimate Deluxe" but that's neither here nor there.
 

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I feel like it's going to draw comparisons to Everyone is Here regardless. There's no way to avoid the, "Well, Ultimate was better because it had __", better to pull the band-aid off early if you ask me.

Then again, I'm of the opinion that we'll have everyone back again and it'll be a better graphics "Ultimate Deluxe" but that's neither here nor there.
I mean eventually yes, when the base game releases, I just think for marketing's sake they wouldn't do that, especially when you can hide some of it with the fact that secret characters usually don't get revealed pre-release and you can mention veteran DLC before the game comes out (or more likely shortly after since that would confirm a specific character not being in at launch maybe) like they did for Mewtwo in 4.

And that's an opinion I just can't agree with because of backwards compatibility and the fact Smash has never done ports, even for Smash 4 when it was perfectly reasonable to alongside Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. I'm not gonna bash you for it obviously, you're free to have that opinion, it's just not one I agree with lol
 
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My thoughts exactly. By the way, I've been meaning to ask you all... do we think the next Smash Bros. is going to kick off like Brawl? Multiple characters being revealed all at once?
I doubt it. Reveal trailers for one or two characters have already become a big part of Smash since 4.
 

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There was Smash 64 on the Wii but that’s the exception.
I mean that's a Virtual Console release though, that's a little different than something like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe or a theoretical Ultimate Deluxe lol

Plus I don't think it was on Wii U VC, nor is it on NSO at this point.
 

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The Hype is real. From tomorrow onwards, Nintendo will be on a journey to save gaming. Finally things won't be dry and distraught like the last 5 years.

On Smash, I doubt we will see anything tomorrow or even next week. If get anything next week, it will be a simple teaser with a 2026-7 release date. If by some chance if that is possible, I hope they also announce a new Smash Ballot not only to keep hype tide/speculation going until the actual reveal but also update with current data.

The OG Smash Ballot is turning 10 this year, when Iwata was still alive. I think it's time for an update. Get people time to rally for their characters instead of being an afterthought.

Also an excuse to open character threads
 
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Umm guys, crazy theory but we could be expecting something Sakurai in these directs

There was a problem fetching the tweet
I wouldn't overthink it. Nintendo doesn't allow Twitter accounts associated with a Direct to tease its contents beforehand.
 

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Umm guys, crazy theory but we could be expecting something Sakurai in these directs

There was a problem fetching the tweet
Twitter embeds are broken (it feels like they've been broken ever since the name change) - do you have a screenshot?

(though I don't know if I'd read too much into it regardless; Sakurai's a big fan of video games in general)
 
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I don't think it would hurt that much sales as long as the marketing made it clear that said game have a cross gen release. The ps4 was still getting big game even in 2023 like Diablo 4, Street fighter 6, Resident evil 4 remake and those games were marketed as cross gen games so the sales were very good.
Well if the game cross-releases, that solves the problem - but I was running with the hypothetical that it doesn't. I think most of the stuff we see tomorrow probably won't. Diablo, SF and RE aren't exactly the infrequent, small IP to which I was talking about. I more meant like Golden Sun, Rhythm Heaven or Kid Icarus or something.
 

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If the next game has Palutena's Guidance, I feel like the conversations for the DLC characters will be the same as the ones from Smash 4 and Ultimate.

I kinda hope I'm wrong on this one
 
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If the next game has Palutena's Guidance, I feel like the conversations for the DLC characters will be the same as the ones from Smash 4 and Ultimate.

I kinda hope I'm wrong on this one
It's the most likely thing since they're not gonna get the voice actors for every single fighter.

If it happens, they're probably gonna keep it for when each Pass is done, since it's possible for plans to mess up during development (remember Rex was the original plan for Pyra and Mythra)
 

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If Smash gets anything next week, I feel like it's gonna be an off-hand remark that they're currently making one and that there will be more details at a later date.

Then we get either an Inkling style teaser early next year (like March/April or so) or a full on reveal in the summer next year like Smash 4 had, potentially both since Ultimate had both in short order, though Ultimate's was also the EiH trailer, which I don't think they'll do again.
I do honestly hope they reveal if EiH is happening or not ASAP if the next entry is not a port, that way people can shape their expectations acordingly.
 

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If the next game has Palutena's Guidance, I feel like the conversations for the DLC characters will be the same as the ones from Smash 4 and Ultimate.

I kinda hope I'm wrong on this one
Unless a DLC character was made around the same time as the base game like Plant, they will probably just do the generic dialogue.

Most returning characters will probably just have their Guidance reused if they return as DLC.
 

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Tho in the best case scenario. Imagine if in this direct they just say wait for next week for the new smash announcement trailer with Sakurai 👀.
Definitely not happening, they specifically said no information about Switch 2 tomorrow, which presumably would include any and all games being made for it.
 

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I do honestly hope they reveal if EiH is happening or not ASAP if the next entry is not a port, that way people can shape their expectations acordingly.
I mean imo expectations should already be shaped where it's not happening next game. Sakurai outright said it was unlikely, and even if he's changed his mind before, molding your expectations around that means if it doesn't have EiH, you expected it not to, but if it does, you get pleasantly surprised.

I know that's not how it works for some people, but generally that's the better way to go about it.
 
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I feel like it's going to draw comparisons to Everyone is Here regardless. There's no way to avoid the, "Well, Ultimate was better because it had __", better to pull the band-aid off early if you ask me.

Then again, I'm of the opinion that we'll have everyone back again and it'll be a better graphics "Ultimate Deluxe" but that's neither here nor there.
If the next game has cuts, i'm certainly avoiding any smash bros related discussion outside of SmashBoards., at least for a month. Maybe Dexit just soured me on this, but i don't want to go through that headache again.
 

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It's the most likely thing since they're not gonna get the voice actors for every single fighter.

If it happens, they're probably gonna keep it for when each Pass is done, since it's possible for plans to mess up during development (remember Rex was the original plan for Pyra and Mythra)
It would probably be too risky since if they put it into the game the characters would be leaked immediately, but i wish they would just do what Mortal Kombat does and record the dialogue ahead of time and just leave it lying around until said character drops where they actually program the dialogue in.


If the next game has cuts, i'm certainly avoiding any smash bros related discussion outside of SmashBoards., at least for a month. Maybe Dexit just soured me on this, but i don't want to go through that headache again.
As long as they dont have a press release saying "We removed all those characters for better graphics" you are good.

That was the entire issue with Pokemon.
 
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Most wasted. Character slot. Ever.
Certainly no idea what they were thinking. I guess is that Fatal Fury is most popular outside West in place like South America where Ronaldo is quite popular but that's like putting the Rock, Trump, Tom Brady or even Drake in Tekken or Mortal Kombat.

Celebrity inclusions are just tasteless to me personally but if that's what the target audience wants...
 
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Wait hear me out, What if it's like, A cross game character reveal. Like, Say they reveal one more character for Ultimate, And then part way through the trailer the graphics evolve to the next Smash. And the announcement is that said character is in both. Kind of like what they did with Luke in SFV and SFVI. New Ultimate content is unlikely either way I think we're gonna have to wait until April 2 for any serious possibility of Smash stuff and even then it would just be a teaser with anything.
 

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Certainly no idea what they were thinking. I guess is that Fatal Fury is most popular outside West in place like South America where Ronaldo is quite popular but that's like putting the Rock, Trump, Tom Brady or even Drake in Tekken or Mortal Kombat.

Celebrity inclusions are just tasteless to me personally but if that's what the target audience wants...
Uh, funny you should say that...



(though it was just for a mobile game if I recall correctly)
 

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The Hype is real. From tomorrow onwards, Nintendo will be on a journey to save gaming. Finally things won't be dry and distraught like the last 5 years.
You know that there was a lot of good game in the last 5 year.

It would probably be too risky since if they put it into the game the characters would be leaked immediately, but i wish they would just do what Mortal Kombat does and record the dialogue ahead of time and just leave it lying around until said character drops where they actually program the dialogue in.
Well the thing with MK is that the dlc are obviously developped at the same time as the base game so they can easily do this, but Sakurai has always said that he's against doing this and he 100% want to focus on base game before moving to dlc, so he don't know which character will be dlc and can't record line in advance. Of course he could change his mind, for Smash 6, but in the past he clearly said he don't want to do that.
 

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Well the thing with MK is that the dlc are obviously developped at the same time as the base game so they can easily do this, but Sakurai has always said that he's against doing this and he 100% want to focus on base game before moving to dlc, so he don't know which character will be dlc and can't record line in advance. Of course he could change his mind, for Smash 6, but in the past he clearly said he don't want to do that.
If there is any exceptions then it’s presumably when the main part of development is done like how Piranha Plant was presumably developed when spirits and Palutena's Guidance were being added. Joker under a code name was already in Ultimate code since 1.0.0 (same build as the November demos).
 
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Most wasted. Character slot. Ever.
Certainly no idea what they were thinking. I guess is that Fatal Fury is most popular outside West in place like South America where Ronaldo is quite popular but that's like putting the Rock, Trump, Tom Brady or even Drake in Tekken or Mortal Kombat.

Celebrity inclusions are just tasteless to me personally but if that's what the target audience wants...
IIRC this happened due to government influence, which is kinda weird. It'd be like if Donald Trump bought Netherrealm Studios and had them add Tom Brady to the next Mortal Kombat.

Well...That would actually be much weirder and kind of concerning because the whole point of Mortal Kombat is to watch people get brutally murderized but you get what I mean.
 

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IIRC this happened due to government influence, which is kinda weird. It'd be like if Donald Trump bought Netherrealm Studios and had them add Tom Brady to the next Mortal Kombat.

Well...That would actually be much weirder and kind of concerning because the whole point of Mortal Kombat is to watch people get brutally murderized but you get what I mean.
SNK has got to have the craziest history of any game company ever.
 
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