Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[HyperSomari64]

A giant foot to contrast with Master and Crazy Hands

Bro, keep the Dan Schneider fetish for the NASB sequel. /s

 

[DarthEnderX]

Regarding the new Super Smash Bros. game and its Adventure Mode, I can't think of a villain that is considered a bigger threat than Galeem and Dharkon.

Giygas.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

Speaking of Adventure Mode, a nice retrospective dropped on it regarding the Subspace Emissary.

If you into that sort of this check it out.

 

[fogbadge]

Regarding the new Super Smash Bros. game and its Adventure Mode, I can't think of a villain that is considered a bigger threat than Galeem and Dharkon. You will of course write to me that this is natural because no one knows, but in fact all I can think of is that this new enemy (in imagination at least) is something between the organic and the mechanical at the cellular level and his movements and his abilities to be something between magic and science.

most of the jrpgs have some god like entity

 

[Idon]

Regarding the new Super Smash Bros. game and its Adventure Mode, I can't think of a villain that is considered a bigger threat than Galeem and Dharkon. You will of course write to me that this is natural because no one knows, but in fact all I can think of is that this new enemy (in imagination at least) is something between the organic and the mechanical at the cellular level and his movements and his abilities to be something between magic and science.

If there's something that can defeat both pure light and pure darkness....

It's pure nothingness.

 

[Stratos]

Giygas.

most of the jrpgs have some god like entity

If there's something that can defeat both pure light and pure darkness....

It's pure nothingness.
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It is true that I also imagined this villain to control light and darkness. I was kind of thinking about gray magic aka neutral magic which is considered to falling into a continuum between white magic and black magic. As for Xemnas yes he could be a good example, of course Giygas could also be a good example too. But this whole thing, as you know, has to do with movements and abilities and still I don't think they would put Xemnas or Giygas as the main villains for a future Super Smash Bros. game if they are both good choices.

 

[Oracle Link]

Giygas.

Hey and you could add pre Crazy/ Completly Insane/ Red Swirly thing Giygas as a character and first phase!

 

[Diddy Kong]

But did a Giygas or Sephiroth or whoever else ever tried to steal your Banana Hoard? HAH I THINK NOT!!!!

 

[Oracle Link]

By the way i have a idea! I think maybe Smash Ultimate Deluxe will be released on the next console and the one after that gets a new game!
That would make it so that the next real smash gets double the development time! (the New game wouldnt be a reboot btw it just revamps a ton but the roster would be still really big!)
Here is a roster i came up with (And no i dont have a problem you have!)

Spoiler: Slight TOTK Spoiler Maybe I think

Whats your guys Opinion on it? And Yeah i wont include assist trophys as Characters!

 

[fogbadge]

By the way i have a idea! I think maybe Smash Ultimate Deluxe will be released on the next console and the one after that gets a new game!
That would make it so that the next real smash gets double the development time! (the New game wouldnt be a reboot btw it just revamps a ton but the roster would be still really big!)
Here is a roster i came up with (And no i dont have a problem you have!)

Spoiler: Slight TOTK Spoiler Maybe I think

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Whats your guys Opinion on it? And Yeah i wont include assist trophys as Characters!

what totk spoilers?

 

[silenthunder]

But did a Giygas or Sephiroth or whoever else ever tried to steal your Banana Hoard? HAH I THINK NOT!!!!

King k rool is the epitome of evil.

 

[Opossum]

By the way i have a idea! I think maybe Smash Ultimate Deluxe will be released on the next console and the one after that gets a new game!
That would make it so that the next real smash gets double the development time! (the New game wouldnt be a reboot btw it just revamps a ton but the roster would be still really big!)

That's not at all how it would work.

Making an enhanced port is done as a cost saving measure. The idea of an Ultimate Deluxe is already inherently flawed, in my eyes, due to the exorbitant licensing costs of retaining the roster and all other third party content.

But even with that aside, making a new game alongside a port would ALSO remove the purpose of the port, that being a cost saving measure.

But even more than that, they would not give a sequel double the development time. That would exponentially raise the development cost of the game, which Nintendo would never do for a series that is already one of their most expensive to produce and market. Why not? Because they don't need to. Not when they could give it a normal development cycle and have it become one of the best selling games on the console anyway. And none of this is even mentioning that you're suggesting they'll start developing a game for a console two generations away.

There's being unrealistic, and then there's this. This idea shows a lack of knowledge on how games are made from like...every level.

 

[Sucumbio]

I think maybe Smash Ultimate Deluxe will be released on the next console and the one after that gets a new game!

No way, dude. All respect there's simply no reason to make Smash fans wait that long.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

The likes of Smash, Mario Kart, Zelda, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, and mainline Mario are not skipping any of the next console generations.

Even putting aside the insane success all those games have had on Switch, the Wii U not getting a new mainline Zelda till the very end and never getting a mainline AC title was a costly mistake (among many others) that Nintendo's not likely to repeat. Same with SSB; you don't produce the best selling fighting game of all time and then decide to bench the series for the next seven years.

 

[silenthunder]

The likes of Smash, Mario Kart, Zelda, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, and mainline Mario are not skipping any of the next console generations.

Even putting aside the insane success all those games have had on Switch, the Wii U not getting a new mainline Zelda till the very end and never getting a mainline AC title was a costly mistake (among many others) that Nintendo's not likely to repeat. Same with SSB; you don't produce the best selling fighting game of all time and then decide to bench the series for the next seven years.

Ultimate deluxe would not be "benching the series". It's a great game and could still live a long life with small changes.

Smash has a lot of new fans BECAUSE of ultimate. Why would they change the formula now. Moveset overhauls and a reboot would only kill the game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

They will use Ultimate as a base at the very least. It was very clear they did the same with Ultimate, using the engine of Smash 4 Wii U. But yeah all the copyright issues are probably too hard and expensive to manage a second time.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

They will use Ultimate as a base at the very least. It was very clear they did the same with Ultimate, using the engine of Smash 4 Wii U. But yeah all the copyright issues are probably too hard and expensive to manage a second time.

Besides that, using the previous game as a base is more logical for trying to update movesets, since you have an already working one you can tweak.

I don't remember if Melee used 64 as a base, but I do remember Brawl using Melee as one. I don't know if Brawl was used as one for 4, though?

Either way, it's a good idea. We are vastly unlikely to get any kind of reboot(as that's very alienating), and Deluxe isn't too likely either for licensing reasons.

 

[FazDude]

I can 100% see Ultimate Deluxe launching as a launch title for Nintendo's next console to tide fans over until the console gets a new Smash some time later. Both would probably use the same engine, though.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Deluxe does absolutely undermine making a new game. Both require way too many resources.

But moreso, what's the point of a new game when you can give Deluxe more DLC over and over till it feels complete enough? It's already the Ultimate Crossover of Ultimate Destiny. Why break the mold? By the time you license everything anyway for even the base, you already have such a large game, that making another is superfluous. I can't even use Mario Kart 8 Deluxe as an example, as they didn't make a 9 for the Switch either(the closest to a 9 is Tour). They just mostly ignored it, despite selling super well, and then gave it more DLC later on.

It makes more sense to get an all new game at this point. Splitting up the resources is rough for developers. Besides that, it doesn't deal with the extreme licensing(though it may be lucky to get most back~), so it costs a bit less to produce, or probably will cost more with how much new content it has. Another note is that as a sequel, any kind of non-minor tweak to a character is easier to swallow(like Bowser going into Smash 4, which changes him quite a bit up) because it's a new game entirely. Regardless of one's position of whether moveset overhauls are okay or not anyway, they get more freedom to change things up by not being a port. This also means new stuff that can gain more sales by introducing even more players due to new mechanics. If this was a tiny roster, it wouldn't be a big deal either. But it's huge with or without a port, so... they are pretty limited in options.

Also it's worth noting that rarely do we get a Deluxe Port as the "main" entry in a franchise for a console. I can't think of any besides 8 Deluxe. The Wii U also didn't have a core Zelda game, as BOTW was basically made for both consoles overall(though do note it was meant for the Wii U originally. But things changed). Nintendo doesn't do this often to begin with. It makes sense why. People want new games, not the same thing over and over again.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Okay, again on the symbol for the River City series, I just realized that the fiery meteor image (which is different from the dodgeball image) is the logo for Nekketsu High School, which is the school Kunio attends. That's the one that's been on the logos on some of the games and first appeared in Kunio-kun's Nekketsu Soccer League. So that's a much more fitting symbol for the River City series.

And now another thing, I finally just watched the Super Mario Bros. movie and I gotta say, I really enjoyed it. It's the kind of movie I can watch over and over! It's full of so much humor and fun. I love all the elements they added from the games and the references to other Nintendo games. It's great. And I honestly see no problems with the writing at all either. They added just enough to make a movie but not too much that it doesn't resemble the games. The only thing I questioned is Mario not gaining the Fire Power at all during the movie but that's just a minor thing. Other than, this movie was all kinds of enjoyment! Like I said, I think I'm going to watch this again soon.

 

[Opossum]

Ultimate deluxe would not be "benching the series". It's a great game and could still live a long life with small changes.

Smash has a lot of new fans BECAUSE of ultimate. Why would they change the formula now. Moveset overhauls and a reboot would only kill the game.

I'm not sure why you're implying the options are "Ultimate Deluxe" and "fully overhauled reboot."

It's a false dichotomy. We could just get like...a regular Smash game, likely with a roster size comparable to Smash 4. Like yeah it'd be the highest amount of cuts the series has seen, but it's not reboot tier.

 

[Oracle Link]

what totk spoilers?

Spoiler: TOTK Spoilers

Yunobo wasnt shown in the trailers and i switched from Daruk to yunobo thanks to his role in the new game!

also wasnt everyone crying reboot/ Ultimate Deluxe like half a year ago? Now that i think a reboot has some validity everyone switched again...
Shucks
(like seriously everyone seemed to agree that ultimate deluxe is the perfect smash game and that a normal sequel cant happen with me being one of the few to oppose that viewpoint!)

Also i do think it was a mistake by the localizers to call Smash Special Smash Ultimate the special name is a more acurate description of what Smash 5 is!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Spoiler: TOTK Spoilers

Yunobo wasnt shown in the trailers and i switched from Daruk to yunobo thanks to his role in the new game!

His character existing isn't a spoiler since he was in BotW.

If you really wanted to warn for spoilers, you should've added Rauru who might honestly be really dope given most of the arm powers come from him.

 

[Oracle Link]

I would love to respond but i didnt finish TOTK Yet?
I have a vague idea who you couldve meant but unless you specify what the spoiler is for ill be cautious!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I would love to respond but i didnt finish TOTK Yet?
I have a vague idea who you couldve meant but unless you specify what the spoiler is for ill be cautious!

It's in the tutorial sky island so I'm going to assume it's safe for you to click.

 

[Oracle Link]

It's in the tutorial sky island so I'm going to assume it's safe for you to click.

Yeah okay i know him true he makes perfect sense i also know all of the Basic Memory Equivalents so i know a lot about him!

 

[Sucumbio]

also wasnt everyone crying reboot/ Ultimate Deluxe like half a year ago? Now that i think a reboot has some validity everyone switched again...
Shucks
(like seriously everyone seemed to agree that ultimate deluxe is the perfect smash game and that a normal sequel cant happen with me being one of the few to oppose that viewpoint!)

There's been several times this has been brought up, yes. The problem I think was that you asserted a "new" game on the console following the next one which would be like 14 years from now lol. Personally I've been in the reboot camp from the start. It just makes sense.

 

[fogbadge]

There's been several times this has been brought up, yes. The problem I think was that you asserted a "new" game on the console following the next one which would be like 14 years from now lol. Personally I've been in the reboot camp from the start. It just makes sense.

it’s a bit late for smash to start making sense now

 

[Sucumbio]

it’s a bit late for smash to start making sense now

Lol yeah I mean there's definitely been some questionable design choices over the years but really I can only believe a deluxe is in the cards if and only if the licensing fees for the game was already negotiated. If they have to start from scratch there's just no reason to "port" smash to the next console even if it means "saving time" plus we don't even know what the new console even is.

 

[fogbadge]

Lol yeah I mean there's definitely been some questionable design choices over the years but really I can only believe a deluxe is in the cards if and only if the licensing fees for the game was already negotiated. If they have to start from scratch there's just no reason to "port" smash to the next console even if it means "saving time" plus we don't even know what the new console even is.

yeah for all we know the next console is a rhino that only eats toasters

or a toaster that only eats rhinos I suppose

 

[Stratos]

I know what I'm writing now is kind of funny, but if anyone knows the Japanese studio OLM, Inc. then you'll know that they're the studio that made the Pokémon anime series that continues to this day. Since we are talking and writing about the Pokémon anime series, we are talking and writing about a property of The Pokémon Company as it is known. The joke I thought of "what is it" some of you may ask, so the joke is The Pokémon Company acquiring OLM, Inc., that's the joke I thought of.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I can 100% see Ultimate Deluxe launching as a launch title for Nintendo's next console to tide fans over until the console gets a new Smash some time later. Both would probably use the same engine, though.

Whilst a cute idea, the resources needed for this wouldn't allow it to happen. There's no 100% guarantee the next console is gonna do as great as the Switch did / is doing.

However what I do support is Smash Ultimate DX and maybe a spin off that's a more traditional fighter. Or Ultimate DX ad base game with an insane longrunning DLC support. Think of not only Fighter Passes but also new adventure mode, old adventure mode, you name it.

 

[Wonder Smash]

I don't know how it would work but in Smash Ultimate, if the spirits are characters that lost their bodies from Galeem's attack, then it'd be interesting to know what they were doing before the events of WoL.

 

[RileyXY1]

I'm not sure why you're implying the options are "Ultimate Deluxe" and "fully overhauled reboot."

It's a false dichotomy. We could just get like...a regular Smash game, likely with a roster size comparable to Smash 4. Like yeah it'd be the highest amount of cuts the series has seen, but it's not reboot tier.

I most likely believe that we'll just get a regular Smash game. I'm not expecting either a straight port of Ultimate or a full on reboot. Both of those options would be massive problems.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yeah, the sheer potential juggernaut of licensing negotiations that Ultimate has become means porting it could be extremely daunting.

Not impossible, but definitely a big challenge.

 

[Perkilator]

ICYMI: The latest episode of Challenger Approaching ended with a sneak peak of three characters in the running for the next one! Anyone supporting me on Patreon can vote on who gets a full Smash design next!

Poll closes in three days' time, so be sure to get your votes in! pic.twitter.com/t70Wm5uYlN

— Delzethin (@Delzethin) May 29, 2023

I’m absolutely rooting for BWD here, but I wouldn’t mind his take on Zero and/or Alear as well.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Honest question. Are there any modern all stars you think are missing? Both 1st and 3rd party?

 

[CannonStreak]

Honest question. Are there any modern all stars you think are missing? Both 1st and 3rd party?

Would Dixie Kong happen to count?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Would Dixie Kong happen to count?

Considering Dixie is more than twenty years old, no.

 

[CannonStreak]

Considering Dixie is more than twenty years old, no.

Oops, my bad. Must have read that wrong.