Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Dinoman96]

James Bond, people.

GoldenEye 007 is the most popular and influential licensed video game Nintendo has published. Stuff like Hamtaro, LEGO City Undercover, etc just ain't on its level.

Hell, GoldenEye already had representation in Smash Bros. at one point.

 

[fogbadge]

James Bond, people.

GoldenEye 007 is the most popular and influential licensed video game Nintendo has published. Stuff like Hamtaro, LEGO City Undercover, etc just ain't on its level.

Hell, GoldenEye already had representation in Smash Bros. at one point.

closest you’ll get is if they make a stage based on that area from banjo tooie that was one of golden eyes multi player maps

 

[Dinoman96]

closest you’ll get is if they make a stage based on that area from banjo tooie that was one of golden eyes multi player maps

Obviously it's not ever happening in the history of ever lol, but if they were to add a licensed, non-VG character from a game Nintendo originally published (they won't), it ought to be JB. It's something I'll always stand by.

 

[Gengar84]

Obviously it's not ever happening in the history of ever lol, but if they were to add a licensed, non-VG character from a game Nintendo originally published (they won't), it ought to be JB. It's something I'll always stand by.

Whenever the subject of non video game characters for Smash comes up, my number one pick will always be Lu Bu from Dynasty Warriors. Lu Bu was an actual historical figure who was later fictionalized in Romance of the Three Kingdoms and further deviates in Dynasty Warriors. I feel like the Warriors franchise is such a big part of gaming and has had multiple crossovers with Nintendo, including another upcoming Fire Emblem game, that a representative from its home series would be an awesome choice for Smash.

Beyond that, some other non game characters who would be cool and still feel very fitting are James Bond, Turok, Nobunaga Oda, and Jessie and James.

 

[Speed Weed]

For me it's gotta be Tony Hawk babyyyyyyyyyyy

 

[osby]

Whenever the subject of non video game characters for Smash comes up, my number one pick will always be Lu Bu from Dynasty Warriors. Lu Bu was an actual historical figure who was later fictionalized in Romance of the Three Kingdoms and further deviates in Dynasty Warriors. I feel like the Warriors franchise is such a big part of gaming and has had multiple crossovers with Nintendo, including another upcoming Fire Emblem game, that a representative from its home series would be an awesome choice for Smash.

To being technical, Lü Bu in Dynasty Warriors (and any popular media, really) is simply an original fictional character based on his Three Kingdoms depiction.

If you're specifically using that game as a basis, he's 100% a video game character, just like Castlevania's Dracula or Code Name Steam's Henry Fleming.

 

[Gengar84]

To being technical, Lü Bu in Dynasty Warriors (and any popular media, really) is simply an original fictional character based on his Three Kingdoms depiction.

If you're specifically using that game as a basis, he's 100% a video game character, just like Castlevania's Dracula or Code Name Steam's Henry Fleming.

That’s good to hear. Lu Bu has always been one of my most wanted characters but the community seems split as to whether Dynasty Warriors should be eligible for Smash inclusion. I think both characters are deserving but I personally feel that the Warriors franchise has left an even bigger impact on gaming, and Nintendo specifically, than Ninja Gaiden so I’d choose Lu Bu over Ryu Hyabusa if I had to pick just one.

Even if you factor in DOA, I would still argue that the Warriors has had a bigger impact on Nintendo than both franchises combined. Ninja Gaiden was very popular on the NES but the reboot was primarily an X-Box game. DOA was never really primarily a Nintendo series either. Dynasty Warriors itself is actually primarily PlayStation while Samurai Warriors and the crossovers have been more centered around Nintendo but I think Lu Bu is a good representative of Warriors as a whole since Dynasty Warriors was the original.

Both Lu Bu and Hyabusa would be great though and it wouldn’t be the first time one developer got two characters in a single Smash game. I’m pretty sure I’m alone in that opinion lol.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I think Chase McCane could be the next Steve; a character from a popular series or brand, yet one that nobody expects to be in Smash.

Lots of people predicted Steve.

 

[Gengar84]

Lots of people predicted Steve.

Yeah, I think he and Banjo/Kazooie were actually the two top predictions for a Microsoft character for Ultimate.

 

[Geno Boost]

taken from this website https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-...op-50-highest-grossing-video-game-franchises/
according to the records these are the top 10 highest grossing video game franchise ever are (counting merch and other things)

1. Pokémon — $90 billion
   The highest-grossing video game franchise may have earned most of its money from merchandising, but Pokémon Red/Green/Blue/Yellow still ranks seventh among the top-selling video games of all time, topping out at 47,520,000 copies.
2. Mario — $30.25 billion
   Arguably the most recognizable video game character in the world, Mario has made Nintendo a lot of money over the years, with the Super Mario series alone bringing in nearly $15.9 billion. Since his inception in 1981, this character has hopped all over the world in many formats.
3. Call of Duty — $17 billion
   This franchise’s Black Ops 4 title alone brought in $1 billion in sales, with its WWII title doing the same in 2017. It’s widely considered in the industry to be a blockbuster, and it only seems to gain more traction over time.
4. Wii — $14.808 billion
   Yes, it’s true that the Wii is a console, but it’s also its own branch of video games, with series like Wii Sports, Wii Play, and Wii Fit grabbing a novice gamer audience in a family-focused environment.
5. Pac-Man — $14.107 billion
   The arcade game that was an absolute blast in the 1980s is still kicking, with many throwback titles and new puzzle games still promoting the world’s favorite pellet-muncher.
6. Space Invaders — $13.93 billion
   This is the oldest game on our top ten list. Originating in 1978, Space Invaders is a classic game that’s still popular every time it’s re-released. Gamers, it seems, are almost always on call to stop a new invasion, but some invaders have managed to infiltrate the real world!
7. Dungeon Fighter Online — $11.8 billion
   The next on our list of top video game franchises may be one most non-gamer Americans have not heard of, since “DFO” is a hugely popular South Korean multi-player “beat-’em-up” game. Nevertheless, it has about 600 million players worldwide.
8. Street Fighter — $11.279 billion
   One of the biggest game franchises that’s famous for its movies, games, and crossovers, Street Fighter is arguably the most popular fighting-style video game of all time, beating out its popular competitor Mortal Kombat by nearly $10 billion.
9. Final Fantasy — $10.656 billion
   An absolute titan of the gaming world, this is arguably the top role-playing game among the best-selling franchises. This critically acclaimed series has created a legacy and set a standard that all other RPGs strive for.
10. World of Warcraft — $10.627 billion
    For Americans, this is the big name in MMORPGs among the biggest video game franchises, with famous titles like Hearthstone, Warcraft: Orcs & Humans, and, of course, the famous World of Warcraft (aka WoW). Gamers have been adventuring in Azeroth since 2004.

the ones in green text are already represented in smash and based on this list what are the possibilities that Call of Duty, Space Invaders, Dungeon Fighter Online and World of Warcraft gets a representation in the next smash game?
Currently Call of Duty and World of Warcraft are now owned by Microsoft and Space Invaders is owned by Sqaure-Enix which they would be the easiest to get some kind representation but not sure about Dungeon Fighter Online representation and i never heard of this game in my entire life.
The current top 10 most grossing video franchise represented as playable characters in smash are:

 

[HyperSomari64]

but not sure about Dungeon Fighter Online representation.

Play "Eenie, Meenie, Miney, Moe" with the characters that are confirmed for DnF Duel.

 

[Gengar84]

taken from this website https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-...op-50-highest-grossing-video-game-franchises/
according to the records these are the top 10 highest grossing video game franchise ever are (counting merch and other things)

1. Pokémon — $90 billion
   The highest-grossing video game franchise may have earned most of its money from merchandising, but Pokémon Red/Green/Blue/Yellow still ranks seventh among the top-selling video games of all time, topping out at 47,520,000 copies.
2. Mario — $30.25 billion
   Arguably the most recognizable video game character in the world, Mario has made Nintendo a lot of money over the years, with the Super Mario series alone bringing in nearly $15.9 billion. Since his inception in 1981, this character has hopped all over the world in many formats.
3. Call of Duty — $17 billion
   This franchise’s Black Ops 4 title alone brought in $1 billion in sales, with its WWII title doing the same in 2017. It’s widely considered in the industry to be a blockbuster, and it only seems to gain more traction over time.
4. Wii — $14.808 billion
   Yes, it’s true that the Wii is a console, but it’s also its own branch of video games, with series like Wii Sports, Wii Play, and Wii Fit grabbing a novice gamer audience in a family-focused environment.
5. Pac-Man — $14.107 billion
   The arcade game that was an absolute blast in the 1980s is still kicking, with many throwback titles and new puzzle games still promoting the world’s favorite pellet-muncher.
6. Space Invaders — $13.93 billion
   This is the oldest game on our top ten list. Originating in 1978, Space Invaders is a classic game that’s still popular every time it’s re-released. Gamers, it seems, are almost always on call to stop a new invasion, but some invaders have managed to infiltrate the real world!
7. Dungeon Fighter Online — $11.8 billion
   The next on our list of top video game franchises may be one most non-gamer Americans have not heard of, since “DFO” is a hugely popular South Korean multi-player “beat-’em-up” game. Nevertheless, it has about 600 million players worldwide.
8. Street Fighter — $11.279 billion
   One of the biggest game franchises that’s famous for its movies, games, and crossovers, Street Fighter is arguably the most popular fighting-style video game of all time, beating out its popular competitor Mortal Kombat by nearly $10 billion.
9. Final Fantasy — $10.656 billion
   An absolute titan of the gaming world, this is arguably the top role-playing game among the best-selling franchises. This critically acclaimed series has created a legacy and set a standard that all other RPGs strive for.
10. World of Warcraft — $10.627 billion
    For Americans, this is the big name in MMORPGs among the biggest video game franchises, with famous titles like Hearthstone, Warcraft: Orcs & Humans, and, of course, the famous World of Warcraft (aka WoW). Gamers have been adventuring in Azeroth since 2004.

the ones in green text are already represented in smash and based on this list what are the possibilities that Call of Duty, Space Invaders, Dungeon Fighter Online and World of Warcraft gets a representation in the next smash game?
Currently Call of Duty and World of Warcraft are now owned by Microsoft and Space Invaders is owned by Sqaure-Enix which they would be the easiest to get some kind representation but not sure about Dungeon Fighter Online representation.

This is why I keep saying WarCraft, and Blizzard’s IP in general, are extremely overlooked in the Smash community. Not only is it WoW one of the highest grossing franchises ever, but it has split off into other very successful genres like Hearthstone as well as getting a movie. Their games also have a cast of very cool and unique characters with their own abilities that would really stand out in a game like Smash. The biggest issues are the lack of Nintendo presence and the company’s internal issues. The former doesn’t seem to keep Master Chief from being among the most requested and the latter is also true of Crash. I think if Microsoft is able to resolve Blizzard’s horrible atmosphere, WarCraft, StarCraft, or Diablo should be a strong consideration for the next game. WarCraft is actually bigger that Halo, DOOM, and Crash so you would think it would at least get some more attention.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Months ago, i made the definitive roster for a "Fourth Party Super Smash Bros."
Wanna check it?

 

[Geno Boost]

Months ago, i made the definitive roster for a "Fourth Party Super Smash Bros."
Wanna check it?

needs Thanos and Superman

 

[JOJONumber691]

This is a different case though, since Chase actually does come from a video game.

Yeah. I feel like it’s a likeness, but the character as a character originates from a Video Game, then it should be eligible for Smash, like Kawashima or KH Donald and Goofy.

 

[Gengar84]

Yeah. I feel like it’s a likeness, but the character as a character originates from a Video Game, then it should be eligible for Smash, like Kawashima or KH Donald and Goofy.

I’ve asked this before but since there are always different people on, I’ll ask again. How do you feel about the reverse scenario: characters that originate from an anime based on a video game IP? I’m specifically referring to Jessie and James from Team Rocket. I think these two are really iconic characters who would be really fun to see in Smash and easily the best part of the Pokémon anime.

 

[HyperSomari64]

This is a different case though, since Chase actually does come from a video game.

You know who else is from a video game? (yes this is sarcasm)

 

[fogbadge]

You know who else is from a video game? (yes this is sarcasm)
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i hope thats meant to be a joke

 

[Gengar84]

i hope thats meant to be a joke

I think the (yes this is sarcasm) part kind of implied that it’s a joke.

 

[Chuderz]

You know who else is from a video game? (yes this is sarcasm)
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No chance actually (yes I'm killing the joke) because...

Cars (film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Cars premiered on May 26, 2006, at Lowe's Motor Speedway in Concord, North Carolina and was theatrically released in the United States on June 9, 2006, to generally positive reviews and also received commercial success, grossing $462 million worldwide against a budget of $120 million."

This loophole has officially now been closed.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Lots of people predicted Steve.

He was brought up in a lot discussions but I don't remember people predicting him.

It really doesn't make him different than another third-party in any appreciable way for Smash; Nintendo only published the Wii U version (and the 3DS game), not the Switch version, or the version for any platform. He's still third-party through and through.

It makes him different from other third party characters from non-video game properties. He's not like Android 21 or something. Plus, it was the first of Nintendo's collaboration with LEGO, which is going on right now with the LEGO Super Mario figures.

Also, if he's only representing his Lego City Undercover games, those games need to have made a much bigger splash than they did to get a western third-party included in Smash. That's still a very high bar.

Plus, again, coming from a non-video game property, they may not even view him as eligible.

The game was a success and had positive reviews. Couple that with the name like Lego (a name everybody knows) and Chase has enough to be eligible for Smash.

It'd be different if we were talking about Pepper Roni from LEGO Island or the Toa from LEGO Bionicle. Chase appearing in Smash makes way more sense compared to them.

Obviously it's not ever happening in the history of ever lol, but if they were to add a licensed, non-VG character from a game Nintendo originally published (they won't), it ought to be JB. It's something I'll always stand by.

If I had to pick a non-video game character for Smash, it'd be Thomas from Kung Fu.

Yeah. I feel like it’s a likeness, but the character as a character originates from a Video Game, then it should be eligible for Smash, like Kawashima or KH Donald and Goofy.

Donald and Goofy? They didn't originate from video games.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm still in favor of consolidating KO Punch and Cloud's Limit, and Terry's Desperation into a universal "super move" meter given to all characters. Would give all characters new toys without taking away from their base.

YES!!! That's what I would want too, seems like a natural evolution of Special attacks in the Smash games. Maybe even if you safe all these meters up, you'll be able to do a Final Smash even.

 

[JOJONumber691]

I’ve asked this before but since there are always different people on, I’ll ask again. How do you feel about the reverse scenario: characters that originate from an anime based on a video game IP? I’m specifically referring to Jessie and James from Team Rocket. I think these two are really iconic characters who would be really fun to see in Smash and easily the best part of the Pokémon anime.

As long as they appear in the games I’m fine with it.

 

[chocolatejr9]

As long as they appear in the games I’m fine with it.

Do Pokemon Yellow and Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee count?

 

[Gengar84]

Do Pokemon Yellow and Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee count?

I would imagine they do. I feel like they’ve also shown up in some spinoff Pokémon games as well but I’m not exactly sure which ones.

 

[Perkilator]

With Ultimate’s life cycle over and done with, what are some seemingly no-brainer Spirit Events you would’ve loved to see? For me:

• Mega Man 11
• Fire Emblem Heroes
• Dragalia Lost
• Luigi’s Mansion 3
• Game Builder Garage
• NEO: The World Ends with You
• Danganronpa

 

[DarthEnderX]

needs Thanos and Superman

Batman, Scrooge, Donatello, Little Nemo. All you need.

 

[Dan Quixote]

With Ultimate’s life cycle over and done with, what are some seemingly no-brainer Spirit Events you would’ve loved to see? For me:

• Mega Man 11
• Fire Emblem Heroes
• Dragalia Lost
• Luigi’s Mansion 3
• Game Builder Garage
• NEO: The World Ends with You
• Danganronpa

Rescue Team DX woulda been the perfect opportunity to finally introduce Pokémon Mystery Dungeon content into Smash through a Spirit Board event.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Batman, Scrooge, Donatello, Little Nemo. All you need.

I mean, Little Nemo at least is in the public domain. Heck, some indie studio is making a new game based on it.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Batman, Scrooge, Donatello, Little Nemo. All you need.

Wasn't Michelangelo the one depicted in the cover?

 

[Quillion]

I’ve asked this before but since there are always different people on, I’ll ask again. How do you feel about the reverse scenario: characters that originate from an anime based on a video game IP? I’m specifically referring to Jessie and James from Team Rocket. I think these two are really iconic characters who would be really fun to see in Smash and easily the best part of the Pokémon anime.

I'm starting to believe that the "no non-video game characters" rule only applies to things not owned by Nintendo. If Nintendo ever decided to make a franchise that was an anime or manga first, it would be in Smash. Dracula only escapes because he's public domain.

YES!!! That's what I would want too, seems like a natural evolution of Special attacks in the Smash games. Maybe even if you safe all these meters up, you'll be able to do a Final Smash even.

I'd say keep Final Smashes as the reward for breaking the Smash Ball. Repurpose the meter the way I suggested.

 

[Geno Boost]

I feel Tetromino should have been playable during brawl it was the only 3rd franchise that was represented in some way besides Metal Gear and Sonic by having 2 Tetris music I am surprised why he hasn’t made it in yet after all of these years.
Also there is a cool brawl mod of it

 

[fogbadge]

I feel Tetromino should have been playable during brawl it was the only 3rd franchise that was represented in some way besides Metal Gear and Sonic by having 2 Tetris music I am surprised why he hasn’t made it in yet after all of these years.
Also there is a cool brawl mod of it

well yes and no. while tetris is 3rd party the two pieces of music are owned by nintendo. basically the reverse of those two pikmin songs

 

[DarthEnderX]

Wasn't Michelangelo the one depicted in the cover?

Hard to tell because they all had the same headband color in that game.

But everyone knows Donatello is the best one in that game.

 

[Wonder Smash]

For the people that have problems with Snake being in Smash because of the theme of his series, have you ever tried looking at him as an NES character since that's the era he technically comes from?

 

[Idon]

For the people that have problems with Snake being in Smash because of the theme of his series, have you ever tried looking at him as an NES character since that's the era he technically comes from?

I don't think I've heard any people, at least recently, mention any issues with Snake, especially regarding the "theme" of his series.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

In terms of fourth parties I vote Darth Maul. Soley cuz he'd be sick. Imagine flipping around with that dual bladed lightsaber.

Also Wreck-it Ralph. I may or may not have voted for him in the ballot for some reason lol.

 

[Gengar84]

For the people that have problems with Snake being in Smash because of the theme of his series, have you ever tried looking at him as an NES character since that's the era he technically comes from?

I never had any problems with Snake being in Smash. I remember thinking his reveal was really funny. I suppose I was a bit confused why they went with Snake first out of all third party characters because I wasn’t aware of Sakurai and Kojima’s friendship at the time. I’ve always been a bit of an outlier in that I’m completely fine with pretty much anything being in Smash. I don’t even particularly care about the whole game characters only rule. I’ve mentioned that I’d love to see Predator Vs. Samus or Ichigo Vs. Cloud in Smash.

 

[JOJONumber691]

Do Pokemon Yellow and Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee count?

Yes.

 

[dream1ng]

The game was a success and had positive reviews. Couple that with the name like Lego (a name everybody knows) and Chase has enough to be eligible for Smash.

It'd be different if we were talking about Pepper Roni from LEGO Island or the Toa from LEGO Bionicle. Chase appearing in Smash makes way more sense compared to them.

Eligibility isn't established by merit, it's either something a character has or they don't. Batman is one of the most iconic characters in the world, but he's not eligible. Whether a Lego character who originated in a video game is eligible is uncertain. It's a grey area, and it comes down to those calling the shots.

Meanwhile a character from the most obscure video game title out there, if they began as a video game, is objectively eligible, even if they'll never actually get in.

But more to the point, this is a third-party character with one somewhat successful game and a handheld prequel most people probably doesn't know exists. And basically no demand. That's barely sufficient for a first-party inclusion, but when it comes to third-parties, we're operating at the Kingdom Hearts, Minecraft, Tekken level. There's quite a disparity between that and Lego City Undercover. The two games together probably have sales of slightly north of 2 mil, which is even below Bayo.