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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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I haven't played that much Zelda, so I'd like to ask: How important is Impa in most of her appearances? I know she shows up a lot, but how often is she actually important and not just the exposition lady? I think she was pretty important in Skyward Sword, was part of the ensemble cast of Hyrule Warriors and pitched as part of a trio with Link and Zelda in Age of Calamity, and that's the extent of my knowledge. Was there anything else, or was she just a bit character in her other appearances?
 

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I haven't played that much Zelda, so I'd like to ask: How important is Impa in most of her appearances? I know she shows up a lot, but how often is she actually important and not just the exposition lady? I think she was pretty important in Skyward Sword, was part of the ensemble cast of Hyrule Warriors and pitched as part of a trio with Link and Zelda in Age of Calamity, and that's the extent of my knowledge. Was there anything else, or was she just a bit character in her other appearances?
I suppose that would be how you define important. I'd say her role in Oot is pretty significant but SS is probably her biggest role to date. I wouldn't call her a bit character for ALBW or BOTW but her role is often that of exposition but she is often meant to be a guide
 

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With Impa it's largely a game-by-game basis with importance. Advisory role to Zelda/royal family is a given with the variance being just how much she physically gets involved. Her becoming playable with three different spin-offs (both Hyrule Warriors titles and Cadence of Hyrule) I think speaks to the practical nature of utilizing her; she's consistently a heroic figure close to Zelda & Link, so her stepping up as a protagonist herself in some capacity is logical. At this point if she's young in the story she'll help fight the villains, if she's old she'll tell Link and Zelda where the MacGuffins are more or less.
 
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I do wonder if people are overestimating Sonic’s chances of getting anything new, given that it’s still a series with very Western-skewed popularity in a primarily Japan-focused crossover. I wouldn’t be surprised if they pick something from Sega with more even east-west popularity instead.
Overestimating? Maybe - I do think Shadow is bordering on being overrated right now, since there's a degree of recency bias involved in how much of a no-brainer he's perceived to be. I don't think he's the most likely third party character. I do think Shadow is the most likely Sonic character, which is something fairly likely to happen... but yknow, no third party character can ever truly be a guarantee.

Although I think for most the writing is on the wall that now is the time to increase Sonic's character count if ever. The series is in a MUCH healthier state post-Ultimate and after Sephiroth's reveal many are prepping for the series to continue expanding on mainstay third party series. Sonic isn't as MASSIVE in Japan as it is over here, but it's still visible and from the looks of it is still treated as Sega's mascot series. And Smash tends to skew toward western tastes way, way more than people like to give it credit for. I mean, say what you will about its quality, but Sonic actually does have some of the most representation out of any third party in the game currently (two ATs, two stages, a decent sized crop of music and a lot of spirits).

The assumption this rests on is also that there can be only one Sega newcomer. I think there are a number of scenarios where two Sega characters - one from Sonic, one from something else - are achievable. I don't think Smash is as concerned about company balance as people think, but even putting that thought aside we can easily get Shadow as a Sonic derivative to some degree while putting a stronger foot forward toward a fully original character from a different series. Or perhaps Sega just gets its dues via DLC, which will obviously be plotted out during the game's development this time around. As we know it's quite a bit easier to sell brand new series as DLC packs, and the likes of Shadow or Chun-Li for example are probably better suited to supplementing their series' content in the base game.

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But yeah, I think the main point I want to make here is that Smash is hardly a "Japan-focused crossover" to the extent people frame it to be. Final Fantasy was the first third party series to take the step forward into getting a new unique character but notably 1. actually sells better than Sonic and 2. is popular worldwide. I mean, Sephiroth is an icon just about as much as Eggman or Shadow is. Within the last few games I can also cite Little Mac, Duck Hunt, Ridley, King K. Rool, Simon Belmont, Dark Samus and Banjo & Kazooie as distinctly western-skewed characters. Punch-Out was never a big hit overseas, Duck Hunt was not bundled with Super Mario Bros in Japan like it was here. Metroid is much bigger here as well. Simon is our guy, Richter is theirs.

Other additions play to pretty wide appeal on a worldwide scale. Inkling, Isabelle, Piranha Plant, Steve, Kazuya, Sora. The only characters from Ultimate I can really point out as being regionally skewed are Hero, since DQ is so remarkably big in Japan that it just can't compare out here, and Terry since SNK / NEO-GEO was not a staple of American arcades the way it was in Japan and Latin America. Maybe Joker at the time but that one aged terrifically and Persona is big everywhere (even so, they felt confident enough to reveal him at a western award show). If anyone gets favorably treated, it's honestly us overseas.

I suppose it's Japan-focused in the sense that we still only have Microsoft on the roster in terms of western developers. But that's another topic that doesn't really reflect on Sonic one way or the other, since he's still a Japanese character.

Sorry, I wrote a bit more than I expected. But I wanted to talk about this misconception a bit!
 
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As far as the West vs. Japan in picks, I think it's a bit of a push. The West gets a lot of region-oriented characters for them in the base game much of the time (Ridley, Little Mac, K Rool to an extent) while the newer DLC worldwide famous fighters do appeal to both areas but tend to be somewhat more popular and rooted in genres historically bigger in Japan such as the JRPG. To use a remarkably poor metaphor, the West gets to pick their favorite restaurant somewhat more often while its Japan that's usually picking the toppings when they go to the pizza place everyone likes.

I think another Sonic character could very easily get in especially considering there's loads of Japan originated, popular worldwide fighters that could come out the same time as him. You put a Monster Hunter or Yuna in Smash and any grumbling about a Sonic fighter will quickly be drowned out.
 
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I honestly just think the sentiment that JRPG character = "Japan-centric pick" at its most basic has hurt speculation tremendously. We cannot in full earnest say that Japan likes Sephiroth and Sora that significantly much more than we do, let's be real. I don't even know how much more they like Fire Emblem than us at this point.

I decided to look into how Xenoblade sells in Japan vs overseas. From what I found, circa 2023, Xenoblade 2 sold roughly 330,000 copies in Japan. In the rest of the world, it sold two million. We can probably nitpick about population density and how this reflects the greater ratio of who owns a Switch where, etc. But I think by default, people are gonna be like oh yeah Pyra and Mythra, another pick for Japan, when in reality it doesn't look like there's a vastly significant drop in popularity in external regions. It's just a stigma placed on the genre and the art style.

The only reason people say would that is because they're from an anime RPG. And well... idk, everyone loves anime nowadays. The industry is booming on a worldwide scale, anime is some of the most popular content on streaming and manga is keeping bookstores in business. Japan doesn't love certain things the way we do - cartoony platformers, gritty shooters, whatever. But we can't get enough of what they like. So I find this framing to be a little less than sincere lately.
 
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I honestly just think the sentiment that JRPG character = "Japan-centric pick" has hurt speculation tremendously. We cannot in full earnest say that Japan likes Sephiroth and Sora that significantly much more than we do, let's be real. I don't even know how much more they like Fire Emblem than us at this point.

I decided to look into how Xenoblade sells in Japan vs overseas. From what I found, circa 2023, Xenoblade 2 sold roughly 330,000 copies in Japan. In the rest of the world, it sold two million. We can probably nitpick about population density and how this reflects the greater ratio of who owns a Switch where, etc. But I think by default, people are gonna be like oh yeah Pyra and Mythra, another pick for Japan, when in reality it doesn't look like there's a vastly significant drop in popularity in external regions. It's just a stigma placed on the genre and the art style.

The only reason people say would that is because they're from an anime RPG. And well... idk, everyone loves anime nowadays. The industry is booming on a worldwide scale, anime is some of the most popular content on streaming and manga is keeping bookstores in business. Japan doesn't love certain things the way we do - cartoony platformers, gritty shooters, whatever. But we can't get enough of what they like. So I find this framing to be a little less than sincere lately.
It all comes down to the individual franchises I think. Final Fantasy, Persona, Pokemon are all so big that it would be silly to say they're geared towards Japan only. With certain other first party selections, it gets a bit more skewed (Xenoblade and Fire Emblem are selling everywhere but desire for more of their characters in Smash possibly isn't as strong in the States), and with stuff like Dragon Quest or Tales of the ratio of popularity becomes noticeable. I do think Nintendo/Smash developers generally do show restraint with their picks anyway. For all of DQ's somewhat lopsided regional fandom, it was a series that had almost every mainline game localized in the West and has long since reached the point of modest success outside its home country.
 
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I've always been pessimistic about LoZ newcomers. But, after two games of no newcomers (and three games of no unique newcomers), I wonder if they'll finally sit down and say, "Okay, this is our third biggest franchise. It needs somebody new."

If they do come to that conclusion, they'll be forced to lock in on somebody.
 

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How high of a priority do you think Ike and Robin are?

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I'm not sure in terms of overall priority since there's a lot to consider, but I would think they'd be at least decently high? Ike is an incredibly popular character, and Robin represents Awakening (the game that brought the entire series back from the brink, or at least Robin is the only non-Echo to do so) while also being FE's only mage AND a pretty strong character popularity-wise. I feel like Robin would probably be higher priority between the two, but both would be pretty decently high.
 
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With Impa it's largely a game-by-game basis with importance. Advisory role to Zelda/royal family is a given with the variance being just how much she physically gets involved. Her becoming playable with three different spin-offs (both Hyrule Warriors titles and Cadence of Hyrule) I think speaks to the practical nature of utilizing her; she's consistently a heroic figure close to Zelda & Link, so her stepping up as a protagonist herself in some capacity is logical. At this point if she's young in the story she'll help fight the villains, if she's old she'll tell Link and Zelda where the MacGuffins are more or less.
Doing a bit of searching, it seems like she's been active in a couple games, but it usually relegated to a supporting role. Hyrule Warriors had a big ensemble cast and Cadance of Hyrule only had her as a cameo until the DLC. Age of Calamity is the one time she's actually part of the main cast, and while kinda-sorta-canon-ish (More than the original HW was, at least), it's still just a spinoff.

It's not like Anna where she's just the funny merchant NPC, but Impa doesn't really feel like a major recurring character to me. It seems like she's been getting more onscreen active roles ever since Skyward Sword, but at the moment it feels like much of her hype is running off of Age of Calamity promoting her to main character status for a game. I wanna say it's kinda like Bandana Dee, who had a solid headcount but mostly got supporting roles, but even then he got multiple playable appearances in the span of a decade, many of which were in mainline titles and not just spinoffs.

So I can see some merit on Impa's resume, but I'm not quite sold that she's the "safest" Zelda pick just based on having a lot of appearances. Maybe she'll continue getting more prominent roles in later games, but it's hard to tell.
 

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Hyrule Warriors had a big ensemble cast and Cadance of Hyrule only had her as a cameo until the DLC. Age of Calamity is the one time she's actually part of the main cast,
Just a quick correction. She was a main cast member in the OG Hyrule Warriors too.
 

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Just a quick correction. She was a main cast member in the OG Hyrule Warriors too.
Yeah but let's be real, would they ever use the OG Hyrule Warriors for a playable fighter?

We can kind of accept OG Hyrule Warriors Impa is off the table even though she's the most "main cast" of all the Impas.
 
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Weirdly I'd say Impa reminds me most of Toad (being part of a Princess's moveset already in Smash aside). Both are long existing figures in their respective series that have appeared numerous times in main games and spin-offs, often appear to help the main characters, and have had playable appearances in games to pull from... but don't have quite the same demand or prominence that consistent protagonists or villains in their series do. And just like Toad much of the debate with her revolves around what she brings to the table with SSB vs her semi-prominent status in the IP she comes from.
 
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Just a quick correction. She was a main cast member in the OG Hyrule Warriors too.
Who's considered the "main" characters in HW, actually? I assumed it was mainly Link, Zelda, Lana, since there's like eleven members of Hyrule's forces alone. It didn't seem like Impa had many big story moments in that game, so while she's clearly not a bit character, it seemed like she was still left in more of a supporting role.

Weirdly I'd say Impa reminds me most of Toad (being part of a Princess's moveset already in Smash aside). Both are long existing figures in their respective series that have appeared numerous times in main games and spin-offs, often appear to help the main characters, and have had playable appearances in games to pull from... but don't have quite the same demand or prominence that consistent protagonists or villains in that series do. And just like Toad much of the debate with her revolves around what she brings to the table with SSB vs her status in the IP she comes from.
Ironically, it seems like they're kinda reversed in what we're debating. Toad has a lot of playable appearances, but aside from being fast and strong, he doesn't have much uniquely "Toad" abilities. Most of the arguments in his favor are that he'd use the powerups Mario's not using, or freestyle something mushroom-y. With Impa, the sticking point for many seems to be that she doesn't have that many major roles in spite of a strong attendance record, but her few major roles give her enough to work with - depending on the incarnation, we could see her using the giant katana, or using the dual-wielding and duplication techniques. Granted, we could also just have her Echoing Sheik too. Even so, I've never really seen debates on Impa's moveset potential like with Toad.
 

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Who's considered the "main" characters in HW, actually? I assumed it was mainly Link, Zelda, Lana, since there's like eleven members of Hyrule's forces alone. It didn't seem like Impa had many big story moments in that game, so while she's clearly not a bit character, it seemed like she was still left in more of a supporting role.
She has some scenes early on and is given a third of the Hyrule army (Link and Lana get the other two) when the game gives some split paths. Impa is basically in charge of that third and helps the OoT characters. She also keeps Sheik close to her side due to not trusting her. She's got a much bigger role than a majority of the cast.
 

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Who's considered the "main" characters in HW, actually? I assumed it was mainly Link, Zelda, Lana, since there's like eleven members of Hyrule's forces alone. It didn't seem like Impa had many big story moments in that game, so while she's clearly not a bit character, it seemed like she was still left in more of a supporting role.


Ironically, it seems like they're kinda reversed in what we're debating. Toad has a lot of playable appearances, but aside from being fast and strong, he doesn't have much uniquely "Toad" abilities. Most of the arguments in his favor are that he'd use the powerups Mario's not using, or freestyle something mushroom-y. With Impa, the sticking point for many seems to be that she doesn't have that many major roles in spite of a strong attendance record, but her few major roles give her enough to work with - depending on the incarnation, we could see her using the giant katana, or using the dual-wielding and duplication techniques. Granted, we could also just have her Echoing Sheik too. Even so, I've never really seen debates on Impa's moveset potential like with Toad.
One almost gets the sense that had Impa's biggest appearances occurred before or during the early days of Smash, she probably could have popped up as an amalgamation character with possible elements from many of her various appearances. Initial games in the franchise weren't as focused on a gameplay replication with faithfulness so her with the Naginata from Hyrule Warriors, the teleportation of Age of Calamity, strong dodges from Cadence of Hyrule, and a hybrid appearance of Ocarina of Time and Skyward Sword Impa? It's not that farfetched given the mentality of the series at that point.
 
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I think the Japan focus applies sometimes, but mostly in more subtle cases when it comes to general representation (i.e. Pac-Man not having anything from World, overseas-exclusive Nintendo games not being represented at all, etc etc) - when it comes to larger scale stuff like characters, it very much seems like a hurdle that isn't that hard to overcome if the character has sufficient demand or icon status holding them up. Though I do wonder if actual Western-created characters might suffer a bit more in that regard. But Sonic's Japanese, so he shouldn't have that issue. Point is, it's something that might apply sometimes, but I really don't think it's that big a deal for a second Sanic.

Another thing I'd like to point out, as someone who supports plenty of these weirdo Japan-centric characters, is that generally, truly Japan-centric picks......we don't......actually get those. Hero and Terry are probably our closest bets in Ult, but they're far from exclusively known there, all told. Meanwhile, say, idk.....Sakura, Shiori, all the Bemani guys, Shiren, characters like that are generally considered off the table. We all know what Sakurai has said about characters like Takamaru. But, as mentioned, the same often doesn't apply for characters who are mainly popular westward. I think ultimately where I've landed is this - Smash generally tries to pick its characters with priority given towards characters who are popular on both sides of the Pacific, so that's the bulk of what we get, but if pressed towards one side or the other, chars lopsided towards the West are generally more likely to get in than chars lopsided towards Japan. That said, I would say stuff with literally no presence in Japan (i.e. quite literally not coming out over there) is still likely off the table, but that's a niche category, all things considered.

Just as an addon, though, I would disagree with counting K. Rool as a Western-centric choice. The original DKC trilogy did very well in Japan and IIRC he was a big request over there too. Him being a western-created character probably does inherently skew the perception a little, but I wanted to throw that out there.
 

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I'll have to dig it up, but Sakurai's stated that Nintendo's old-fashioned and likes negotiating in-person, so it's easier to get in touch with companies from close by. That's probably why Microsoft is the first Western company to get a full fighter; Nintendo of America is stationed in the same city, so it's easier to have in-person negotiations. If they really wanted someone from, say, Ubisoft, I'm sure they could make it work, but Japanese companies are just easier to get in touch with face-to-face
 

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I'll have to dig it up, but Sakurai's stated that Nintendo's old-fashioned and likes negotiating in-person, so it's easier to get in touch with companies from close by. That's probably why Microsoft is the first Western company to get a full fighter; Nintendo of America is stationed in the same city, so it's easier to have in-person negotiations. If they really wanted someone from, say, Ubisoft, I'm sure they could make it work, but Japanese companies are just easier to get in touch with face-to-face
Agreed.

I think it’s less that Nintendo is biased toward Japanese audiences or franchises and more that third party picks seem to arise mostly organically through interactions with their notable publishing partners, who happen to be primarily Japanese.

Sora wouldn’t have happened if Sakurai didn’t have a chance encounter with a Disney representative at an award show.
 

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How high of a priority do you think Ike and Robin are?
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My current hunch is that both of them are high enough of a priorty where they would return in a scenario with 25-30 cuts. Ike is a popular character and long-standing veteran, and I think the heavy swordfighter is something that interests Sakurai.

In the case of Robin, her/his main draw is the weapon durability gimmick, and I think it’s distinct enough to prioritize it.
 

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Both Zelda and Kirby haven’t gotten new characters since Brawl and quite frankly that rustles my jimmies
Sakurai took the complaints too far when fans screamed Kirby bias during Brawl.

Don't know why Zelda hasn't really gotten any new characters, although besides the usual Triforce-only reasons, I assume another reason besides Young Link coming back was the main cast aside from Toon Link getting new models for the most part. Link, Zelda and Ganondorf getting the major model changes and Sheik getting her outfit modified to resemble BotW's Sheikah armor somewhat.
 

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How high of a priority do you think Ike and Robin are?

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I expect Marth to be the highest-priority Fire Emblem character. But after that, I think you could make cases for any of Robin, Byleth, or Ike as the next-highest. Personally, I would expect Robin and Byleth (or at least one of them) to be higher than Ike because I just see the team ensuring that modern FE is adequately represented, and Awakening and Three Houses were two of the most critical points in series history. Though Ike is evaluated on pretty much his own terms as the single most popular character in the series. There's always a chance that one of these guys could slip through the cracks if roster space is very short because they're likely not going to be actively headlining new games going forward; but at the same time I think very few people out there would expect FE to dip too low in representation at this point.
 
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How high of a priority do you think Ike and Robin are?

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I think Ike stays, as far as i understand it he's the most popular protagonist in Fire emblem so it makes some sense to keep him around.

Robin is part of the most popular entry in the series but i think he might be lower priority since we have the games actual protagonist as a clone character who is easier to develop.
 

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I haven't played that much Zelda, so I'd like to ask: How important is Impa in most of her appearances? I know she shows up a lot, but how often is she actually important and not just the exposition lady? I think she was pretty important in Skyward Sword, was part of the ensemble cast of Hyrule Warriors and pitched as part of a trio with Link and Zelda in Age of Calamity, and that's the extent of my knowledge. Was there anything else, or was she just a bit character in her other appearances?
She's actually not really all that important in most of her appearences. And she has a different design every time.
Ocarina of Time, she's part of a group of six characters who are all pretty much as significant as her and she doesn't really show up all that much. In the Oracle games, she's a NPC who appears in a single room. In BotW/TotK she's an old lady who points you to an important quest. Don't think she even shows up in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess.

Skyward Sword is her biggest role by far, where she's more like Sheik, a character you meet very often and who's very active in the story. She also gets a badass design and a cool plot twist near the very end. And she fights a lot.
But I think that essentially people just really liked her in Hyrule Warriors and try to tie her amount of appearances into an argument for her, but I can't see it.
In the main games she's a different character every time, and her one true notable role is in Skyward Sword. Though that's not the Impa that most people want. That would be the Hyrule Warriors one.
 

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How high of a priority do you think Ike and Robin are?

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Probably high enough. Popular, important and unique enough that they’ll almost certainly be planned, but I don’t see them delaying the game for either one of them.

I don’t know if this is a hot take, but I also put Ike in the same camp as the likes of Sheik, Falco and ZSS as prime examples of “we can definitely get away with releasing this game without him, but we will 100% add him as DLC and he will sell.”
 

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In the case of Robin, her/his main draw is the weapon durability gimmick, and I think it’s distinct enough to prioritize it.
Interesting, tbh I think the main pull for Robin is the tomes. I mean it's a classic FE archetype, but one that was less frequently featured by main protagonists in the series at least when Awakening was released, so it makes sense why Sakurai would jump on the chance to do an FE character like him when he came around.

In fact, looking here: https://sourcegaming.info/2015/06/28/sakurais-famitsu-column-vol-457-abilities-unlike-any-other/
"I had always wanted to include a Mage from the Fire Emblem series, and I feel like Robin turned out to be a really solid character." - Sakurai

The weapon durability is a nice example of translating a source-material mechanic to Smash (though we could argue about how successful it ended up being), and also a convenient way to give Robin some strong and flashy moves while also giving them a unique and proper drawback to keep it balanced. But I kinda feel like that mechanic is in service to the tome-based moveset and probably wouldn't have been implemented on a character that's wielding a single melee weapon type.

Anyway, that's just a personal take on what makes him compelling.
 

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How high of a priority do you think Ike and Robin are?

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I think Marth and Byleth will be higher priority than them; Marth because duh and Byleth because Switch clout (Smash 6'll likely do the routine most Smash games do of taking from the previous console gen).

I'd def say Ike and Robin are next after them tho. Right now, I'm struggling to figure out who wins between them. Does Ike's popularity win out, or does Robin being from the franchise saving game and being a mage win? Hard question. Right now, I might go with Ike because IIRC quite a few other characters use him as a base, so it'd prolly be a good idea to do him early regardless.

Robin is part of the most popular entry in the series but i think he might be lower priority since we have the games actual protagonist as a clone character who is easier to develop.
But the character Chrom depends on to exist is Roy, who would almost certainly be lower priority than Robin. I don't think that would help Chrom much.
 
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Weirdly I'd say Impa reminds me most of Toad (being part of a Princess's moveset already in Smash aside). Both are long existing figures in their respective series that have appeared numerous times in main games and spin-offs, often appear to help the main characters, and have had playable appearances in games to pull from... but don't have quite the same demand or prominence that consistent protagonists or villains in their series do. And just like Toad much of the debate with her revolves around what she brings to the table with SSB vs her semi-prominent status in the IP she comes from.
Toad has been part of the main character set in the normal games, as well as spin-off material. Impa really only the main character spots in HW. So they're similar, but Toad's ultimately a more important character in his respective franchise.

Though to be fair, he's also part of a consistently appearing race too, so it makes sense he tends to get the spotlight easier. Better context for it.

As for which Impa? HW aside, it's hard to say. There's a lot of them, and any could make for an interesting moveset, regardless of their age, due to still taking action. So it can vary which is easiest for Sakurai. Echo, clone, semi-clone, unique, they all are plausible.

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Ike is pretty much the second FE character wholesale by far. Robin is the most likely out of the three if we don't count any Clones/Echoes. Then comes Lucina, due to Marth being there, and Chrom was built off the factors of being tied to Roy. Otherwise he wouldn't have made it in. Which unfortunately puts him in the lowest of the Awakening Trio. His importance the storyline doesn't do enough when the context explains why he was the last to make it in.
 
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I think Ike stays, as far as i understand it he's the most popular protagonist in Fire emblem so it makes some sense to keep him around.

Robin is part of the most popular entry in the series but i think he might be lower priority since we have the games actual protagonist as a clone character who is easier to develop.
If being a protagonist who's easy to develop truly was how Sakurai saw things, we'd have gotten Chrom in Smash 4, not Robin.

After all, being something more than just a Marth or Ike clone was the explicit reason Robin was picked over Chrom in Smash 4.

The level of uniqueness he brings with the addition of magic and durability, especially when it's pretty blatant that Sakurai himself is getting tired of FE swordsmen as seen with how he needed to be convinced for Corrin or everything about how he designed Byleth ("Too many swordsmen, are there?"), makes me feel Robin would probably be second only to Marth in priority.

Also, calling Awakening the most popular entry is very funny in a post-Three Houses world. Like, yeah, Awakening did save the franchise and is one of its most popular games, but it's not as popular as Three Houses.
 
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If being a protagonist who's easy to develop truly was how Sakurai saw things, we'd have gotten Chrom in Smash 4, not Robin.

After all, being something more than just a Marth or Ike clone was the explicit reason Robin was picked over Chrom in Smash 4.

This level of uniqueness, especially when it's pretty blatant that Sakurai himself is getting tired of FE swordmen as seen with how he needed to be convinced for Corrin or everything about Byleth ("Too many swordsmen, are there?"), makes me feel Robin would probably be second only to Marth in priority.
Between the backlash and forum wars that new FE characters seem to bring, and Sakurai himself seemingly second-guessing the later additions, I think it's a safe bet that we'll see a good chunk of FE characters culled next game. Regardless of how you feel about them, when the man himself admits he thinks there's too much, that seems pretty clear-cut.
 

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If Chrom or Lucina get higher priority, I can see Robin being in the middle somewhere, where being cut doesn't seem implausible. I don't think they're going to cut all of Awakening's cast, but Robin never really made the biggest splash, and while he's unique, and that helps, I do think we'll be seeing many unique characters get cut going forward. Potentially also not in his favor is his gimmick makes his development a little more intensive than other FE options.

FE is tricky because other than Marth and Ike I could see any of the rest potentially getting cut. Not all of them, of course, but I don't think any of the rest are safe.
 

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I think Marth and Byleth will be higher priority than them; Marth because duh and Byleth because Switch clout (Smash 6'll likely do the routine most Smash games do of taking from the previous console gen).

I'd def say Ike and Robin are next after them tho. Right now, I'm struggling to figure out who wins between them. Does Ike's popularity win out, or does Robin being from the franchise saving game and being a mage win? Hard question. Right now, I might go with Ike because IIRC quite a few other characters use him as a base, so it'd prolly be a good idea to do him early regardless.



But the character Chrom depends on to exist is Roy, who would almost certainly be lower priority than Robin. I don't think that would help Chrom much.
I'm kinda feeling like the priority goes like this:

:ultmarth:

:ultbyleth::ultbylethf: / :ultrobin::ultrobinf: (I feel like Byleth would be higher because Three Houses is the best selling FE game, but Robin could eke one out over them because of Awakening's importance to the series and Robin's skillset as a mage being unique among FE characters)

:ultike:

:ultcorrin::ultcorrinf:

:ultroy:

Less sure about Corrin and Roy than the others and no idea where a newcomer like Alear would stack up here, and Echoes would depend on time, though I feel like Lucina coming back is relatively likely since Marth is likely so high up.
 

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She's also one of the biggest breakout characters for the franchise, so I don't really see her going anywhere.
The fact that she's an easy echo addition makes her even more likely to stay.

Lucina kind of lucked out. Almost everything is in her favor right now.
 
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My 2 Cents:

First and foremost...
I think Roy is 100% 99% coming back, not for anything Roy does to be particularly popular outside Smash, but within he fulfills the role of going fast and hitting hard which is quite popular within the fandom and userbase, even though of course no one can play his game (legally). Same logic goes with Zero Suit and Sheik, much to the chagrin of fans of those series.

Secondly, I think Byleth is a higher priority than Robin considering just how much more popular it is not just from the rest of the series, but within like... videogames and Nintendo as a whole:
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This **** gets merchandise 5 years after release, it is not going to be replaced that easily or being out-prioritized because Robin can cast mediocre magic for their specials.


BUT honestly, these discussions I find are ridiculous anyways.
If you logic to yourself enough you can convince yourself just about everyone on the cast has a 90% chance of returning and you couldn't see fathom they'd be cut, and short of Ultimate 1.5 that's obviously not gonna happen and a very large amount of people are going to eat crow.

Now personally, I'd like for Ike to stay and for them to go backwards for Lyn but that's just bias.
 
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