Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Swamp Sensei]

The most natural thing for Platinum to do would be to make Bayonetta 4, but Kamiya, the main writer for that series has left and honestly Bayonetta 3 has burned any bridges for fans wanting a sequel

So guys...

Is the Bayonetta franchise really in that much trouble?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Give Bayonetta enough distance from the controversy of 3 maybe paired with the softest of soft reboots and I think the next game could be reasonable success. It's an IP that could also benefit from a crossover game within the genre, not only to lessen the burden of Bayo having to sell the game by herself but also to generally refresh the series a bit.

I don't think Bayonetta x Devil May Cry is necessarily happening, but something along those lines could do a lot of good.

 

[NintenRob]

Bayonetta is in a really weird spot.

Bayonetta 3 did NOT have the same big success as other switch titles. Selling less than the Wii U port is not great. Now obviously selling a million isn't anything to scoff at, but the game having a very rough development and long development that forced to Nintendo to step in and say "hey guys, maybe don't make this game open world if you don't know what you're doing." Doesn't paint a pretty picture. On top of that, the English VA turned out to be a nutcase and the JP VA has sadly passed away. Kamiya leaving is just another wrench here (I actually think if another Bayo game is made, it's better off without him, but getting it started without him might prove difficult)

I think, Nintendo probably still values the Bayonetta IP as one of their go to mature games. But I think confidence in Platinum might be a little low after 3, and after Kamiya left, Platinum might not even be interested in more Bayonetta games

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Selling less than the Wii U port is not great. Now obviously selling a million isn't anything to scoff at

I keep trying to find data on current Bayonetta 3 sales, but all I can find is that it sold over one million units in around three months after launch.

Surely it's done better by now, it's been more than a year.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

So... What would it take for you to consider these five franchises a lock for the next game?

Ring Fit Adventure
Astral Chain
Famicom Detective Club
Golden Sun
Advance Wars

I dont consider it a lock but i actually kinda think Golden Sun is likely for the next game?

Nintendo seems kinda aware that there's a demand for this game so i can see the smash team looking at this and considering Isaac for an inclusion.

If they make another Detective club game between now and the next smash, i can kinda see it joining the roster line up, because it seems like they kinda want to make it a thing. Though i think they'd either pick between this and Ace attorney since they both fill the same niche.

Astral chain and Advance wars? lmao no.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I keep trying to find data on current Bayonetta 3 sales, but all I can find is that it sold over one million units in around three months after launch.

Surely it's done better by now, it's been more than a year.

Well, if it has it hasn't been reported anywhere or at least recorded, since Wikipedia's list of highest selling Switch games lists it at 1.07 mil as of March 2023. Almost certainly higher than that at this point but by how much, who knows?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

From what I understand, on top of being strung together from pieces of the open world idea, Bayonetta 3's story was extremely poorly handled. Like, just about everything about it was done incorrectly, and if they wanted to continue the story, they'd either have to retcon the entire thing, or go with the new protagonist that they set up. The latter option sounds like it'll be kind of a hard sell due to how different she is from the previous three protagonists, but that I could easily be wrong on.

 

[Idon]

So guys...

Is the Bayonetta franchise really in that much trouble?

On top of what NintenRob has already stated, there is the issue of the actual logistics of a sequel within the context of the game's story.

Spoiler: Bayonetta 3 Spoilers

Bayonetta 3 ends with Bayonetta effectively dead, and not just her, but every single multiversal variant of her dying. Now with her gone, the "mantle" goes to her future daughter that she had with Luka (which actually pains me to say, but that's another discussion entirely). The problem here is Viola aka Neo-Bayonetta has absolutely nothing in common with the original bayonetta, not moveset, not personality, not iconicness. And unlike DMC's Nero who has earned his passing of the torch both narratively and within the fanbase, people are not as keen on her as they are with the original.

This is what I mean by them "burning the bridge" so to speak. Such an insane shift in the status quo, one that is not well-received, makes it quite difficult to follow up with naturally.

Look, I don't hate her... but she really really isn't Bayonetta.

And of course, without Kamiya, the main writer of the series and the man with the alleged "12 Game Bayonetta Saga" gone, his plans are gone with the wind alongside him so they don't have much to go off of either.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

On top of what NintenRob has already stated, there is the issue of the actual logistics of a sequel within the context of the game's story.

Spoiler: Bayonetta 3 Spoilers

Bayonetta 3 ends with Bayonetta effectively dead, and not just her, but every single multiversal variant of her dying. Now with her gone, the "mantle" goes to her future daughter that she had with Luka (which actually pains me to say, but that's another discussion entirely). The problem here is Viola aka Neo-Bayonetta has absolutely nothing in common with the original bayonetta, not moveset, not personality, not iconicness. And unlike Nero who has earned his passing of the torch both narratively and within the fanbase, people are not as keen on her as they are with the original.

This is what I mean by them "burning the bridge" so to speak. Such an insane shift in the status quo, one that is not well-received, makes it quite difficult to follow up with naturally.

Look, I don't hate her... but she really really isn't Bayonetta.
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And of course, without Kamiya, the main writer of the series and the man with the alleged "12 Game Bayonetta Saga" gone, his plans are gone with the wind alongside him so they don't have much to go off of either.

Also probably doesn't help that Origins was a flop, since it's not even listed on the Wikipedia page so its sales were never reported, which is typically not a good sign. All I can find on it is this:

"Bayonetta Origins: Cereza and the Lost Demon was the sixth best-selling retail game in Japan during its first week of release, with 6,474 physical units being sold."

 

[Laniv]

On top of what NintenRob has already stated, there is the issue of the actual logistics of a sequel within the context of the game's story.

Spoiler: Bayonetta 3 Spoilers

Bayonetta 3 ends with Bayonetta effectively dead, and not just her, but every single multiversal variant of her dying. Now with her gone, the "mantle" goes to her future daughter that she had with Luka (which actually pains me to say, but that's another discussion entirely). The problem here is Viola aka Neo-Bayonetta has absolutely nothing in common with the original bayonetta, not moveset, not personality, not iconicness. And unlike DMC's Nero who has earned his passing of the torch both narratively and within the fanbase, people are not as keen on her as they are with the original.

This is what I mean by them "burning the bridge" so to speak. Such an insane shift in the status quo, one that is not well-received, makes it quite difficult to follow up with naturally.

Look, I don't hate her... but she really really isn't Bayonetta.
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And of course, without Kamiya, the main writer of the series and the man with the alleged "12 Game Bayonetta Saga" gone, his plans are gone with the wind alongside him so they don't have much to go off of either.

...that is actually way worse than I thought. Good grief.

...that said, I don't think Bayonetta as a series is in any danger

 

[Schnee117]

Also probably doesn't help that Origins was a flop, since it's not even listed on the Wikipedia page so its sales were never reported, which is typically not a good sign. All I can find on it is this:

"Bayonetta Origins: Cereza and the Lost Demon was the sixth best-selling retail game in Japan during its first week of release, with 6,474 physical units being sold."

Yeah people were not down with another Bayo game so soon after 3 let everyone down, especially not a weird spin-off and absolutely not a weird spin-off that only exists to try and justify some of the story decisions in 3.

 

[Ivander]

On top of what NintenRob has already stated, there is the issue of the actual logistics of a sequel within the context of the game's story.

Spoiler: Bayonetta 3 Spoilers

Bayonetta 3 ends with Bayonetta effectively dead, and not just her, but every single multiversal variant of her dying. Now with her gone, the "mantle" goes to her future daughter that she had with Luka (which actually pains me to say, but that's another discussion entirely). The problem here is Viola aka Neo-Bayonetta has absolutely nothing in common with the original bayonetta, not moveset, not personality, not iconicness. And unlike Nero who has earned his passing of the torch both narratively and within the fanbase, people are not as keen on her as they are with the original.

This is what I mean by them "burning the bridge" so to speak. Such an insane shift in the status quo, one that is not well-received, makes it quite difficult to follow up with naturally.

Look, I don't hate her... but she really really isn't Bayonetta.
View attachment 394683

And of course, without Kamiya, the main writer of the series and the man with the alleged "12 Game Bayonetta Saga" gone, his plans are gone with the wind alongside him so they don't have much to go off of either.

I mean, Nero didn't earn his torch with the fans until Devil May Cry 5, the game he next appeared in. He was certainly not seen favourably in regards to his first appearance in DMC4....and than DmC happened.

Actually, that might explain the reason why people don't look at Viola keenly. It's the hair. It looks almost the same as DmC Dante, thus giving people PTSD.

 

[Opossum]

So I just thought this was interesting.

For those who don't know him, Schaffrillas Productions is a fairly popular YouTuber, and a couple of months back, he conducted a big poll that spread across YouTube and Twitter asking people to name their top five favorite Mario characters in a write-in ballot. This poll reached over 32,000 voters.

The Top 15 were as follows:

1. Luigi
2. Bowser
3. Waluigi
4. Yoshi
5. Rosalina
6. Daisy
7. Wario
8. Shy Guy
9. Mario
10. Peach
11. Donkey Kong
12. Dry Bones
13. Toad
14. King Boo
15. Funky Kong (who beat Vivian, who was 16th, by two votes)


It's fairly minor in the grand scheme of things, but honestly I think we can put a lot of the claims about Funky Kong scoring as well as he did on Swamp's poll only being from memes or due to being a selectable option after people voted for Dixie to rest. Like...this is fairly demonstrable proof that he's just very popular especially on a casual Nintendo fan level. He's not just someone to be written off, and should absolutely be considered a viable candidate on popularity alone (and honestly I'd also say the same for the other Mario characters in the top fifteen who aren't in Smash yet...hell, even Vivian, who got a close sixteenth).

I'm just saying...I think I'm fully getting on the Funky train.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

As far as Funky's votes, a lot of people played Mario Kart Wii, and it shows.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

So... What would it take for you to consider these five franchises a lock for the next game?

Ring Fit Adventure
Astral Chain
Famicom Detective Club
Golden Sun
Advance Wars

None of them are locks IMO, and I'd say Golden Sun missed its chance. FDC maybe has the best chance due to having a series, which includes a recent game. RFA and AC just depends on if Nintendo wants to take those franchises further.

 

[Louie G.]

So... What would it take for you to consider these five franchises a lock for the next game?

Ring Fit Adventure
Astral Chain
Famicom Detective Club
Golden Sun
Advance Wars

In order of likelihood…

Ring Fit - It’s already pretty damn likely, but as others said a sequel wouldn’t hurt. Right now it’s a very successful standalone game, so theoretically I can see it being passed over and given nonplayable content if it’s truly just gonna be a one time thing. On the other hand, the amount of promising new Nintendo IP is slim and this is hands down the biggest one of the era.

Golden Sun - Isaac’s strong fan demand has persisted for years and GS got a solid showing of new content in Ultimate for a series with no roster presence and no new game for over a decade. With the relative lack of big new IP to pull from I think they’ll pull back toward some older ones and formally respond to Isaac’s popularity. What would it take to make him a lock? Well, a new Golden Sun game starring Isaac obviously. As is I consider him the most likely fanservice pick behind only Waluigi.

Astral Chain - Confirmation of a sequel would help me to reassess AC’s odds, which as of now rest more moderately for me. Again, it’s one of only a few new Switch era Nintendo IP but could very well be the Assist Trophy kind of smaller IP that misses the boat akin to Golden Sun or Sin & Punishment before it. But yeah, if Nintendo reveals a future for this series soon then my confidence would rise. Not sure if it was enough of a smash hit on its own to demand the spot on the roster, and the timing might not quite be there, so it comes down to how much Sakurai is into it.

Famicom Detective Club - I will start taking this more seriously the longer Nintendo continues to spotlight it. FDC has been getting more love lately than I ever anticipated it would. Obviously that’s because a new game just dropped, which is already a good thing going for it. But I want to see if the FDC name remains something that frequently pops up in Nintendo marketing or branding somehow. Seeing it transition into this role and treated as a somewhat major active franchise would make me feel better about it.

Advance Wars - I would need to see the remake get a Japanese release, and I would need to see it perform well. Honestly, the fact that it didn’t drop in Japan all but disqualifies it for me as it stands. It makes it apparent that this was a pet project for western shores, where I believe this series was always more popular anyway, and is not being taken as a serious re-instatement of the IP. Which is really a shame.

 

[AreJay25]

As far as Funky's votes, a lot of people played Mario Kart Wii, and it shows.

Behold, the Brawl Meta Knight of the Mario Kart series.

... Mario Kart Wii was a ****ing unhinged game, man.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Behold, the Brawl Meta Knight of the Mario Kart series.

... Mario Kart Wii was a ****ing unhinged game, man.

However unique they make him, if his side special is just Wario's Bike, but with the Flame Runner, that would probably be the funniest thing they could do.

 

[Pupp135]

So... What would it take for you to consider these five franchises a lock for the next game?

Ring Fit Adventure
Astral Chain
Famicom Detective Club
Golden Sun
Advance Wars

Here’s my current hunch.

Ring Fit Adventure > Famicom Detective Club = Golden Sun > Astral Chain > Advance Wars

Based on the Nintendo IPs that debuted after ARMS, Ring Fit Adventure has been the most successful one. Famicon Detective Xlub has been relevant during the Switch era, but Isaac has the requests, so I can see it go either way. Astral Chain feels like something where timing may not work out. The Advance Wars remake seems to be something that didn’t do as well.

So I just thought this was interesting.

For those who don't know him, Schaffrillas Productions is a fairly popular YouTuber, and a couple of months back, he conducted a big poll that spread across YouTube and Twitter asking people to name their top five favorite Mario characters in a write-in ballot. This poll reached over 32,000 voters.

The Top 15 were as follows:

1. Luigi
2. Bowser
3. Waluigi
4. Yoshi
5. Rosalina
6. Daisy
7. Wario
8. Shy Guy
9. Mario
10. Peach
11. Donkey Kong
12. Dry Bones
13. Toad
14. King Boo
15. Funky Kong (who beat Vivian, who was 16th, by two votes)


It's fairly minor in the grand scheme of things, but honestly I think we can put a lot of the claims about Funky Kong scoring as well as he did on Swamp's poll only being from memes or due to being a selectable option after people voted for Dixie to rest. Like...this is fairly demonstrable proof that he's just very popular especially on a casual Nintendo fan level. He's not just someone to be written off, and should absolutely be considered a viable candidate on popularity alone (and honestly I'd also say the same for the other Mario characters in the top fifteen who aren't in Smash yet...hell, even Vivian, who got a close sixteenth).

I'm just saying...I think I'm fully getting on the Funky train.

These are some interesting results, and it’s cool to see characters like Shy Guy, Dry Bones, and Funky Kong in the top 15 and with Vivian almost making the top 15.

 

[Diddy Kong]

So... What would it take for you to consider these five franchises a lock for the next game?

Ring Fit Adventure
Astral Chain
Famicom Detective Club
Golden Sun
Advance Wars

I don't know much about Famicom Detective Club, but am confident in the other series mentioned. Aside from Advance Wars.

Golden Sun seems in a good spot. Isaac has tons of requests and popularity. Ultimate reflects it well.

Astral Chain and Ring Fit Adventure have recency and sales om their side. Quite obvious contenders.

However unique they make him, if his side special is just Wario's Bike, but with the Flame Runner, that would probably be the funniest thing they could do.

I literally don't want this. I was quite upset people want Funky because of Mario Kart and not DKC. I hoped Tropical Freeze gave him this push of popularity, turns out its Mario Kart...



Sad.

 

[Opossum]

I literally don't want this. I was quite upset people want Funky because of Mario Kart and not DKC. I hoped Tropical Freeze gave him this push of popularity, turns out its Mario Kart...

Sad.

I mean...the numbers kind of speak for themselves.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I mean...the numbers kind of speak for themselves.
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[NintenRob]

So I just thought this was interesting.

For those who don't know him, Schaffrillas Productions is a fairly popular YouTuber, and a couple of months back, he conducted a big poll that spread across YouTube and Twitter asking people to name their top five favorite Mario characters in a write-in ballot. This poll reached over 32,000 voters.

The Top 15 were as follows:

1. Luigi
2. Bowser
3. Waluigi
4. Yoshi
5. Rosalina
6. Daisy
7. Wario
8. Shy Guy
9. Mario
10. Peach
11. Donkey Kong
12. Dry Bones
13. Toad
14. King Boo
15. Funky Kong (who beat Vivian, who was 16th, by two votes)


It's fairly minor in the grand scheme of things, but honestly I think we can put a lot of the claims about Funky Kong scoring as well as he did on Swamp's poll only being from memes or due to being a selectable option after people voted for Dixie to rest. Like...this is fairly demonstrable proof that he's just very popular especially on a casual Nintendo fan level. He's not just someone to be written off, and should absolutely be considered a viable candidate on popularity alone (and honestly I'd also say the same for the other Mario characters in the top fifteen who aren't in Smash yet...hell, even Vivian, who got a close sixteenth).

I'm just saying...I think I'm fully getting on the Funky train.

This post very nearly spoiled the list for me and I had to click away from Smashboards until after I finished watching.

Here are my takeaways and highlights from the poll

I'm probably gonna be citing this poll for a while on why Rosalina should be kept over Bowser Jr if one were to be cut. Like the difference here is honestly astronomical. Bowser Jr was 17th with 2 326 votes. Rosalina got 8001. She beat out all the other Mario girls (though it was initially close with Daisy) and was top 5 overall. Like this is a clear showing of just how insanely popular Rosalina is. I reckon if she ever got cut in Smash, she'd likely turn into the next Mewtwo.


Very pleased with how high King Boo scored. And I like how much attention was brought to how much cooler his Luigi's Mansion design is. King Boo is my personal pick for a new Mario character so seeing him in top 15 is nice.

Pauline actually had a relatively shockingly weak performance. She got 27th and 1097. Like that's nuts. Still like her and would be pleased with her in Smash.

Geno did even less well lol. 36th with 704 votes. King Bob-omb did better. King Bob-omb for Smash.

The real show stealers from the RPGs were Vivian (16th) with 2873 votes, Fawful (18th) with 2121 votes and Dimentio (26th) with 1107 votes

I think this video has turned me around on Waluigi in Smash. Like I wasn't actively against Waluigi but I thought there was a plethora of other Mario characters I'd prefer. Now I think he's 3rd as far as Mario characters I'd want behind King Boo and Pauline and I recognise he'd be pretty hype after all this time.

Shy Guy being in the top 10 is absolutely bonkers in the best way possible. By far the best performing enemy. Like even if you combine King Boo (14th with 3063 votes) with regular Boo (21st with 1525 votes). Shy Guy still has more votes at 5846. Everyone else in the top 10 is a super core part of the franchise. Shy Guy does well for himself, especially lately, but he's not a big staple, or at least he wasn't. I do love Shy Guy though and love seeing him

 

[NintenRob]

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Here's the actual video and detailed top 50 by the way (I typed that out manually. Please appreciate me)

1. Luigi (17310 votes)
2. Bowser (9624)
3. Waluigi (9061)
4. Yoshi (8593)
5. Rosalina (8001)
6. Daisy (7964)
7. Wario (6118)
8. Shy Guy (5846)
9. Mario (5082)
10. Peach (4356)
11. Donkey Kong (4197)
12. Dry Bones (3918)
13. The Toad (3585)
14. King Boo (3063)
15. Funky Kong (2875)
16. Vivian (2873)
17. Bowser Jr. (2326)
18. Fawful (2121)
19. Birdo (1751)
20. Toadette (1654)
21. Boo (1525)
22. Petey Piranha (1394)
23. Koopa Troopa (1326)
24. Wiggler (1146)
25. Diddy Kong (1108)
26. Dimentio (1107)
27. Pauline (1079)
28. Kamek (986)
29. Goomba (926)
30. Piranha Plant (852)
31. Goombella (835)
32. E. Gadd (791)
33. Count Black (763)
34. Monty Mole (717)
35. King Bob-omb (712)
36. Geno (704)
37. Toadsworth (680)
38. Dry Bowser (656)
39. Captain Toad (636)
40. Ludwig (596)
41. Roy (551)
42. Luma (523)
43. Blue Toad (516)
44. Iggy (500)
45. King K Rool (499)
46. Lemmy (490)
47. Nabbit (480)
48. Lakitu (426)
49. Cappy (424)
50. Mr L/Admiral Bobbery (377)

 

[BritishGuy54]

Re: The Schaffrillas Mario Popularity Poll

• Luigi being the most popular by far is true. We all love Luigi.
• Bowser deserves his own spin-off and his own voice in Smash.
• Waluigi is by far the most popular Mario character not in Smash.
• The poll has swayed me more in towards of keeping Rosalina over Bowser Jr. .
• I stand by the idea that Shy Guy should be the next Mario mook in Smash if that trend becomes a trend.
• I’d say Pauline has been overestimated for a while now. Like, she’s popular. But there are other characters.
• Geno has been known to have a die-hard fanbase, so the poll’s structure allowed other characters that may not have gotten time to shine some time in the limelight.
• Daisy is by far the most likely echo fighter to stick around in my opinion.
• The more I think about it, the more I’m confident K. Rool will be absent (at least from the base game) next time around.

 

[NintenRob]

It's worth noting, aside from Funky, there seems to be a lot of hesitancy to vote for DK characters in the poll, as many voters were unsure if they counted.

So I wouldn't hold this against the likes of K Rool or Dixie

 

[fogbadge]

So guys...

Is the Bayonetta franchise really in that much trouble?

can I offer my outsiders view? cause it always seemed so strange. I remember people talking about the first one when it came out but nobody seemed to care shrugging it off as a less interesting version of kamiya's previous work. then the second came out still barely anyone batted an eye. then she got into smash and suddenly everyone was saying that they had cared all along. you know doing that thing where they pretend they never said a word against it. so from my perspective it always been in a weird position. but nintendo have been funding most of them and we know they're ok with reviving less successful franchises so never say never sorta thing

So I just thought this was interesting.

For those who don't know him, Schaffrillas Productions is a fairly popular YouTuber, and a couple of months back, he conducted a big poll that spread across YouTube and Twitter asking people to name their top five favorite Mario characters in a write-in ballot. This poll reached over 32,000 voters.

The Top 15 were as follows:

1. Luigi
2. Bowser
3. Waluigi
4. Yoshi
5. Rosalina
6. Daisy
7. Wario
8. Shy Guy
9. Mario
10. Peach
11. Donkey Kong
12. Dry Bones
13. Toad
14. King Boo
15. Funky Kong (who beat Vivian, who was 16th, by two votes)


It's fairly minor in the grand scheme of things, but honestly I think we can put a lot of the claims about Funky Kong scoring as well as he did on Swamp's poll only being from memes or due to being a selectable option after people voted for Dixie to rest. Like...this is fairly demonstrable proof that he's just very popular especially on a casual Nintendo fan level. He's not just someone to be written off, and should absolutely be considered a viable candidate on popularity alone (and honestly I'd also say the same for the other Mario characters in the top fifteen who aren't in Smash yet...hell, even Vivian, who got a close sixteenth).

I'm just saying...I think I'm fully getting on the Funky train.

ah more love for toad

• The more I think about it, the more I’m confident K. Rool will be absent (at least form the base game) next time around.

why? he was one of the most popular requests ever

 

[Shinuto]

I mean...the numbers kind of speak for themselves.
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You didn't even include the gb/gbc games, dk 64 or dk konga ,jungle beats, or the racing game...

 

[Hypercat-Z]

I don’t think anyone really uses the term anymore. They’ve mostly moved onto “woke” now which basically means the same thing.

I'll take not of that for the next time.

Though I'd be still careful using the term "woke" in this era, since I might stumble on one of those people.
Plus I'm noticing even the videogame industry being dangerously affected by that trend, questioning myself what will be the effects on the next Super Smash Bros.

 

[Gorgonzales]

Plus I'm noticing even the videogame industry being dangerously affected by that trend, questioning myself what will be the effects on the next Super Smash Bros.

I doubt anything will change. This kind of stuff only really affects western games and Nintendo marches to the beat of their own drum.

 

[Gengar84]

I'll take not of that for the next time.
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Though I'd be still careful using the term "woke" in this era, since I might stumble on one of those people.
Plus I'm noticing even the videogame industry being dangerously affected by that trend, questioning myself what will be the effects on the next Super Smash Bros.

I feel like, in general, media like video games are trending in the right direction when it comes to having a more diverse cast of characters specifically. Even if some companies might be doing it just because they think it will make them more money, the end result is that more people have the chance to be able to connect with the characters in games, which is a good thing.

The troubling trend for me is the obsession with gacha microtransaction filled games and live service games. I think live service games could actually work if handled correctly but the companies usually let greed get to them and overprice everything with purposely hard to understand currency. Concord seems like the perfect example of a game just chasing market tested trends with seemingly little passion or original ideas. That has absolutely nothing to do with character diversity but I often see them grouped together for some reason.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The troubling trend for me is the obsession with gacha microtransaction filled games and live service games. I think live service games could actually work if handled correctly but the companies usually let greed get to them and overprice everything with purposely hard to understand currency. Concord seems like the perfect example of a game just chasing market tested trends with seemingly little passion or original ideas. That has absolutely nothing to do with character diversity but I often see them grouped together for some reason.

Yeah that is kind of a problem. Opinions on these types of games generally skew low, but it does seem like it's no less profitable, and certain genres are expected to be live service nowadays. Like legit, I don't really know what a non-live service shooter would look like. Granted, I've never actually played a shooter, but still.

Also gacha needs to die. Games should not be designed to lure you in with carrots and then hit you with the stick until you gamble for the current Ultra Waifu/Husbando 5000 (TM).

 

[Gengar84]

Yeah that is kind of a problem. Opinions on these types of games generally skew low, but it does seem like it's no less profitable, and certain genres are expected to be live service nowadays. Like legit, I don't really know what a non-live service shooter would look like. Granted, I've never actually played a shooter, but still.

Also gacha needs to die. Games should not be designed to lure you in with carrots and then hit you with the stick until you gamble for the current Ultra Waifu/Husbando 5000 (TM).

Sometimes I wish we could return to a time before online gaming took over. I miss the days where my friends and I could just play GoldenEye or Perfect Dark in person at our house. I haven’t played many shooters since the N64 but I did enjoy Borderlands (in large part thanks to the local co-op). I’m just not terribly interested in playing with random people I don’t know and there was something special about playing in person. It seems like local multiplayer is becoming more and more rare these days. Even series that were historically multiplayer like Dynasty Warriors and Tales removed it from their most recent entries. Maybe that’s just me being old and I need to learn to get with the times lol.

 

[BuckleyTim]

Hmm, Geno support hasn't exactly fallen off a cliff, but it does seem noticeably lower than it was in the ultimate hype cycle, despite pretty much every other 1st-party or otherwise AT/spirited character coming back to discussion otherwise. This is especially perplexing given, y'know, geno being as relevant as possible due to the remake.

obviously Geno's hype was also relatively low when he got the mii costume in 4, so it's more a matter of how much of a bone Sakurai is willing to / can throw the fan base, but it still makes me wonder why Geno is the odd man out, getting supplanted by Paper Mario / Toad / arguably Funky Kong.

 

[Gengar84]

Hmm, Geno support hasn't exactly fallen off a cliff, but it does seem noticeably lower than it was in the ultimate hype cycle, despite pretty much every other 1st-party or otherwise AT/spirited character coming back to discussion otherwise. This is especially perplexing given, y'know, geno being as relevant as possible due to the remake.

obviously Geno's hype was also relatively low when he got the mii costume in 4, so it's more a matter of how much of a bone Sakurai is willing to / can throw the fan base, but it still makes me wonder why Geno is the odd man out, getting supplanted by Paper Mario / Toad / arguably Funky Kong.

Speaking personally, I loved Super Mario RPG on the SNES but I never really cared much about Geno as a character. I always stuck to the core Mario cast in my party (Mario, Peach, and Bowser). Mario is mandatory so I literally had no choice there. Peach’s healing was so good that she basically felt mandatory too. That only really left me with one character slot I felt free to change and the thought of playing as Bowser was too cool to pass on. So I never really had a ton of experience or connection to the character despite beating the game. I’d certainly be happy for his fans if Geno got in but he’s nowhere near the top of my own list.

 

[Laniv]

So I just thought this was interesting.

For those who don't know him, Schaffrillas Productions is a fairly popular YouTuber, and a couple of months back, he conducted a big poll that spread across YouTube and Twitter asking people to name their top five favorite Mario characters in a write-in ballot. This poll reached over 32,000 voters.

The Top 15 were as follows:

1. Luigi
2. Bowser
3. Waluigi
4. Yoshi
5. Rosalina
6. Daisy
7. Wario
8. Shy Guy
9. Mario
10. Peach
11. Donkey Kong
12. Dry Bones
13. Toad
14. King Boo
15. Funky Kong (who beat Vivian, who was 16th, by two votes)


It's fairly minor in the grand scheme of things, but honestly I think we can put a lot of the claims about Funky Kong scoring as well as he did on Swamp's poll only being from memes or due to being a selectable option after people voted for Dixie to rest. Like...this is fairly demonstrable proof that he's just very popular especially on a casual Nintendo fan level. He's not just someone to be written off, and should absolutely be considered a viable candidate on popularity alone (and honestly I'd also say the same for the other Mario characters in the top fifteen who aren't in Smash yet...hell, even Vivian, who got a close sixteenth).

I'm just saying...I think I'm fully getting on the Funky train.

Ah, yes, Toad placing top 15. You love to see it

 

[Opossum]

You didn't even include the gb/gbc games, dk 64 or dk konga ,jungle beats, or the racing game...

"I" (it's a copy-pasted list) didn't include those because there's a very important, very specific word missing from those titles.

Those are Donkey Kong games. Not Donkey Kong Country games.

 

[Shinuto]

"I" (it's a copy-pasted list) didn't include those because there's a very important, very specific word missing from those titles.

Those are Donkey Kong games. Not Donkey Kong Country games.

Yeah I know. I was just doing a bit.

 

[Oracle Link]

So i made a concept for my new big project " Super Smash bros Dawn"
Every Character i know anything about will get some fun extras in this GAme Concept!

I limited myself to 110 Characters for the base game which i think IS Possible Now i just need to know if i missed anything MAjor?
Heres some clarification:
1. I tried giving a lot of love to alot of franchises!
2. Link and zelda have alts based on a lot of versions!
3. I do like villains so i might be biased sometimes!
4. Im also limited in icons from newer games so if a switch era character is missing (for example i wanted to add the ring fit villain) thats the reason
5. Did i miss any really beloved third partys i think i got the most wanted?
6. Also Sans is missing because He WOULDNT fight in a silly tournament even the prankster aproach doesnt work IMO because even his pranks are lazy!
7. Lastly A couple of character (specifically Geno are left for potential seasons 3 and 4

The Bottom Rows are DLC

Tell me if you think i missed anyone who shouldve made the cut Objectivly!

 

[Gengar84]

So i made a concept for my new big project " Super Smash bros Dawn"
Every Character i know anything about will get some fun extras in this GAme Concept!

I limited myself to 110 Characters for the base game which i think IS Possible Now i just need to know if i missed anything MAjor?
Heres some clarification:
1. I tried giving a lot of love to alot of franchises!
2. Link and zelda have alts based on a lot of versions!
3. I do like villains so i might be biased sometimes!
4. Im also limited in icons from newer games so if a switch era character is missing (for example i wanted to add the ring fit villain) thats the reason
5. Did i miss any really beloved third partys i think i got the most wanted?
6. Also Sans is missing because He WOULDNT fight in a silly tournament even the prankster aproach doesnt work IMO because even his pranks are lazy!
7. Lastly A couple of character (specifically Geno are left for potential seasons 3 and 4

The Bottom Rows are DLC
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Tell me if you think i missed anyone who shouldve made the cut Objectivly!

There’s a lot of cool choices here like Gengar, Zero, Scorpion, Chun-Li, Impa, Raven Beak and others but I don’t think there’s any reason to cut Lucina. She’s a very popular character who would take minimal effort to bring back since she’s basically identical to Marth other than the lack of the tipper mechanic. As much as I like Roy’s design, I would prioritize Lucina over Roy for that reason.