Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Ivander]

I’ve been feeling more strongly lately about Smash’s desperate need for a samurai,

You name the role/class/etc, Nintendo more than likely has a character for that role/class/etc.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

And while counters have a bad stigma in the Smash scene, imagine a counter that can lead to different moves based on input like in Xrd.

If Baiken gets a shield special counter I will laugh so hard.

If she gets her debuff counter I will laugh even harder.

 

[dream1ng]

Unless he somehow presents some sort of feasibility issue, I don't see it not being Sol. Baiken is cool and Bridget is popular, but still.

I just personally don't want a Guilty Gear character in general.

It would whelm me.

I'm fairly ambivalent to GG as well, but I'm not sure anything will whelm me more than the Tekken character we got.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I think if the character made a big impact and has a lot of fans that would love to see them in Smash, that should be the only thing that matters.

My response to that will always be: "If they made a big impact and have so many fans, why haven't they been in more games?"

For someone like Geno, there's an obvious answer. Being co-owned by 2 companies makes him harder to put in stuff.

For example, I feel like Skull Kid and Midna would probably make for more exciting Smash characters than a recurring character like Beetle. Their fanbases have kept them both relevant over the years despite each only appearing once in the main series. Their appearance in Hyrule Warriors is a testament to that.

But...the fact that they were in HW means they're aren't one-shot characters. They're in spinoffs because of their popularity.

Gray Fox is the only one I can think of atm but there are others I'm sure but it's definitely a rare category.

Gray Fox is in, like, 5 MG games!

I mean if current zelda is well represented then mario only needs:
Mario, Luigi, Peach and Bowser

Pokemon only needs:
Pokemon Trainer and pikachu maybe mewtwo if im charitable

Mario and Pokemon are MUCH bigger franchises than Zelda.

 

[Kirbeh]

If Baiken gets a shield special counter I will laugh so hard.

If she gets her debuff counter I will laugh even harder.

If Baiken got in she should get her tether mechanic for the accidental SD/double KO shenanigans.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Gonna be real. The "Zelda doesn't need more characters it's about exploring," is giving me the same vibes as "Metroid is about isolation, Samus should be alone on the roster."

I mean...she is though. All the non-Samus Fighters are enemies.

I just personally don't want a Guilty Gear character in general.

I need Sol in Smash so they path is cleared for better ArcSys characters. Like Kunio.

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You name the role/class/etc, Nintendo more than likely has a character for that role/class/etc.

Yes...Nintendo will have a D-tier character for that role/class/etc.

Remember when Smash added Urban Champ as it's street fighting rep instead of Ryu!

There's a dozen better video game samurai than Takamaru.

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

Everyone seems to be talking about one-offs from Zelda games. Me…?

I want to see one-offs from Kirby become playable in Smash Bros.

Are you sure you want one-offs from Kirby, or do you actually want one-role-of-importance Kirby characters with squandered potential, that at least got to be included as fully playable characters in Star Allies but have barely appeared since? The latter is more accurate to my common plight.

 

[Diddy Kong]

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You name the role/class/etc, Nintendo more than likely has a character for that role/class/etc.

Speaking of, it's weird how the support behind Takamaru basically died off ever since Ultimate. It was already far less in Ultimate than with Smash 4 and even Brawl, but it's baffling. Especially since amongst retro picks he was always the most popular and highly requested. Up to the point he was the more expected pick even compared to Duck Hunt. Which is wild now I think about it, cause nobody questions Duck Hunt's inclusion since they made the roster. Just goes to show...

About Fi, actually that's a reasonable character to choose as she IS the Master Sword. So not a bad pick at all. She's not present perse in the same sense as SS in BotW and TotK but the Master Sword still "spoke" to Zelda. Making her one of the few support characters with an ever lasting "role".

Also speaking of Zelda, am playing Skyward Sword HD now and what I noticed? The Goddess Sword seems to really resemble the sword Link is using in Echoes of Wisdom. Maybe the games predate Skyward Sword ?

Anyway I stand with the conviction that Impa alone would suffice for Zelda, granted they remix Zelda and Ganondorf a little around their most recent appearances. I'm also really down for Ganon again. I really see them as the obvious frontrunners seeing as they appear all the time and did since the very beginning, thus are essential to the whole series. That's basically unchallenged by any other potential candidate.

 

[Slime Scholar]

Honestly the most refreshing thing to me right now is a straightforward and effective character, without a big crazy gimmick. Someone who can just be organically distinct. There are many ways to innovate in more natural feeling ways and I really am not looking for Samus with limited missile quantity or full on TOTK Link or something.

You look at someone like K Rool or Incineroar and they were able to stand out without something overbearing like a meter, instead they unique passive traits or fulfilled lesser explored archetypes. Blunderbuss, Crown Boomerang, Alolan Whip, Revenge all take familiar concepts and do something we haven’t seen with them. That’s enough for me to feel like a new character is pulling their weight creatively. After the tenth meter and comeback mechanic it stops being unique, to be honest.

I agree that we could use some freshening up toward some of the old guard, the aforementioned characters still feel fresh and new, but I raise an eyebrow at the examples given here. Just not my preference and got a little exhausting toward the end.

Just want to clarify real quick that I didn’t actually mean that I want all characters to have meters or overbearing gimmicks, just that with new fighters “freshness” and originality are clearly a priority and that it’s a shame classic characters aren’t being given a chance for a makeover even when it feels called for.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I decided to look at the franchise included in Smash. I wanted to compare the number of first party franchises with characters and the number of third party franchises with characters. There are 40 franchises with playable characters. There are 25 first party franchises and 15 third party franchises. As a bonus there are 9 first party franchises with stages but no playable characters.

First Party

1. Super Mario
2. Donkey Kong
3. The Legend of Zelda
4. Metroid
5. Yoshi
6. Kirby
7. Star Fox
8. Pokemon
9. Earthbound
10. F-Zero
11. Ice Climber
12. Fire Emblem
13. Game & Watch
14. Kid Icarus
15. Wario
16. Pikmin
17. R.O.B.
18. Animal Crossing
19. Wii Fit
20. Punch Out!!
21. Mii
22. Xenoblade Chronicles
23. Duck Hunt
24. Splatoon
25. ARMS

Third Party

1. Metal Gear
2. Sonic the Hedgehog
3. Mega Man
4. Pac-Man
5. Street Fighter
6. Final Fantasy
7. Bayonetta
8. Castlevania
9. Persona
10. Dragon Quest
11. Banjo Kazooie
12. Fatal Fury
13. Minecraft
14. Tekken
15. Kingdom Hearts

First Party Franchises with No Playable Characters

1. Electroplankton
2. Pictochat
3. Balloon Fight
4. Nintendogs
5. Find Mii
6. Tomodacchi Life
7. Wrecking Crew
8. Pilotwings
9. Wii Sports

What do you think of this ratio of first party to third party content? I know there are more franchises included, but characters and stages are the ones with the most billing.

 

[SharkLord]

Honestly the most refreshing thing to me right now is a straightforward and effective character, without a big crazy gimmick. Someone who can just be organically distinct. There are many ways to innovate in more natural feeling ways and I really am not looking for Samus with limited missile quantity or full on TOTK Link or something.

You look at someone like K Rool or Incineroar and they were able to stand out without something overbearing like a meter, instead they unique passive traits or fulfilled lesser explored archetypes. Blunderbuss, Crown Boomerang, Alolan Whip, Revenge all take familiar concepts and do something we haven’t seen with them. That’s enough for me to feel like a new character is pulling their weight creatively. After the tenth meter and comeback mechanic it stops being unique, to be honest.

I agree that we could use some freshening up toward some of the old guard, the aforementioned characters still feel fresh and new, but I raise an eyebrow at the examples given here. Just not my preference and got a little exhausting toward the end.

Honestly if everyone's gonna have some sort of meter mechanic, we might as well just make FS Meter the default and give certain characters extra ways to mess around with it. One of the big tenets of Smash was that everyone had more-or-less the same inputs, so everyone was easy to get a hang of. Min Min and Kazuya's kits are super cool, but they also seriously stick out like a sore thumb when their control schemes are so notably different. And like, I can pull off the quarter circles just fine, it's just the mild but noticeable lack of consistency. Just give everyone optional command inputs alongside the normal ones or something to even it out.

In short, I agree with your statement. Unique gimmicky movesets are cool, but it feels like after a while, everyone's trying too hard to give everyone a gimmick. I feel like part of it is also that DLC characters need to sell themselves separate from the game, so the devs were incentivized to give everyone a crazy gimmick to make that 25-dollar Fighter's Pass worth it.

 

[Oracle Link]

Mario and Pokemon are MUCH bigger franchises than Zelda.

Thats not the point Zelda is still a big franchise and definitly bigger than Fe which has 2 characters more!
If Zelda is well repped with just the main Characters so is mario and pokemon! Zelda is definitly in the same general tier as a huge franchise!



Also on a diffrent note you know me and my octorok love? you also remember how i said i want an octorok item?
Here add the wind up octo from echoes of wisdom:

 

[fogbadge]

I decided to look at the franchise included in Smash. I wanted to compare the number of first party franchises with characters and the number of third party franchises with characters. There are 40 franchises with playable characters. There are 25 first party franchises and 15 third party franchises. As a bonus there are 9 first party franchises with stages but no playable characters.

First Party

1. Super Mario
2. Donkey Kong
3. The Legend of Zelda
4. Metroid
5. Yoshi
6. Kirby
7. Star Fox
8. Pokemon
9. Earthbound
10. F-Zero
11. Ice Climber
12. Fire Emblem
13. Game & Watch
14. Kid Icarus
15. Wario
16. Pikmin
17. R.O.B.
18. Animal Crossing
19. Wii Fit
20. Punch Out!!
21. Mii
22. Xenoblade Chronicles
23. Duck Hunt
24. Splatoon
25. ARMS

Third Party

1. Metal Gear
2. Sonic the Hedgehog
3. Mega Man
4. Pac-Man
5. Street Fighter
6. Final Fantasy
7. Bayonetta
8. Castlevania
9. Persona
10. Dragon Quest
11. Banjo Kazooie
12. Fatal Fury
13. Minecraft
14. Tekken
15. Kingdom Hearts

First Party Franchises with No Playable Characters

1. Electroplankton
2. Pictochat
3. Balloon Fight
4. Nintendogs
5. Find Mii
6. Tomodacchi Life
7. Wrecking Crew
8. Pilotwings
9. Wii Sports

What do you think of this ratio of first party to third party content? I know there are more franchises included, but characters and stages are the ones with the most billing.

well the ratio seems reasonable to me

 

[Megadoomer]

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In case anyone missed them, the three spirits from unconnected third party games (including Zagreus from Hades) have been added back to the Spirit Board. That should mean that the only spirits that aren't back (if people missed the original event) are the ones from Princess Peach: Showtime and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.

 

[Gengar84]

well the ratio seems reasonable to me

Same. It’s still primarily a Nintendo crossover so it makes sense they’d get the majority of characters. There are tons of third party characters that would be awesome to see in Smash so I wouldn’t really want to lower the ratio there either. I could potentially see it going 50/50 at some point between Nintendo and third party but I doubt it would ever go past that. I will say that the bulk of my personal most wanted characters at this point are third party so I wouldn’t mind the ratio getting a bit closer to that 50/50 mark.

As far as franchise representation goes, I do see that skewing more towards third party as time goes on because Nintendo only has so many unique franchises. Third party franchises also tend to get much fewer characters over all so it’s logical that there would be a wider range of franchises with playable representation. Since first party franchises like Mario, Pokemon, and Fire Emblem get so many characters, you’d still likely have a good amount more individual Nintendo characters even if third parties eventually pass them in the number of franchises with playable fighters.

 

[fogbadge]

Same. It’s still primarily a Nintendo crossover so it makes sense they’d get the majority of characters. There are tons of third party characters that would be awesome to see in Smash so I wouldn’t really want to lower the ratio there either. I could potentially see it going 50/50 at some point between Nintendo and third party but I doubt it would ever go past that. I will say that the bulk of my personal most wanted characters at this point are third party so I wouldn’t mind the ratio getting a bit closer to that 50/50 mark.

As far as franchise representation goes, I do see that skewing more towards third party as time goes on because Nintendo only has so many unique franchises. Third party franchises also tend to get much fewer characters over all so it’s logical that there would be a wider range of franchises with playable representation. Since first party franchises like Mario, Pokemon, and Fire Emblem get so many characters, you’d still likely have a good amount more individual Nintendo characters even if third parties eventually pass them in the number of franchises with playable fighters.

nintendo has hundreds of franchises, it's just everyone's caught up in things like relevance and what have you that no one gives the bucket load of nintendo franchises not used a glance. and even then there's all the people who want to be "big" series so even all the franchises that have had revivals in recent years aren't good enough for them. Advance Wars, Big Brain Academy, Famicom Detective Club, Another Code, Endless Ocean and the like are all in the best position they've been in for years. but barely anyone is going to give them a look in

 

[Gengar84]

nintendo has hundreds of franchises, it's just everyone's caught up in things like relevance and what have you that no one gives the bucket load of nintendo franchises not used a glance. and even then there's all the people who want to be "big" series so even all the franchises that have had revivals in recent years aren't good enough for them. Advance Wars, Big Brain Academy, Famicom Detective Club, Another Code, Endless Ocean and the like are all in the best position they've been in for years. but barely anyone is going to give them a look in

True. I’m not sure all of those really have a particular character that would make sense as a fighter but I see your point. I think it depends if Sakurai/Nintendo want to keep the branding of a “celebration of gaming” or want to go back to their roots as a Nintendo crossover with a few guest fighters from other companies. I could see them doing either but I feel like the current direction is likely to generate more hype and sales. What I’d love to see are some more smaller third party characters and franchise representation but those don’t really fit with either approach unfortunately.

 

[fogbadge]

True. I’m not sure all of those really have a particular character that would make sense as a fighter but I see your point. I think it depends if Sakurai/Nintendo want to keep the branding of a “celebration of gaming” or want to go back to their roots as a Nintendo crossover with a few guest fighters from other companies. I could see them doing either but I feel like the current direction is likely to generate more hype and sales. What I’d love to see are some more smaller third party characters and franchise representation but those don’t really fit with either approach unfortunately.

Any franchise can have a fighter if they put their imagination to it. Although that seems to be where they fall down

as for hype well I don’t think it’s all there is, I’m look at Terry and byleth

 

[superprincess]

For someone like Geno, there's an obvious answer. Being co-owned by 2 companies makes him harder to put in stuff.

Reminder that even when Square and Nintendo partnered up in two different instances to create Mario spinoffs with fairly large rosters, Geno still didn't show up.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Reminder that even when Square and Nintendo partnered up in two different instances to create Mario spinoffs with fairly large rosters, Geno still didn't show up.

But then Alpha Dream decided “hey Geno would be cool to throw into Mario & Luigi” and had no issues doing so.

 

[TheLamerGamer]

I decided to look at the franchise included in Smash. I wanted to compare the number of first party franchises with characters and the number of third party franchises with characters. There are 40 franchises with playable characters. There are 25 first party franchises and 15 third party franchises. As a bonus there are 9 first party franchises with stages but no playable characters.

First Party

1. Super Mario
2. Donkey Kong
3. The Legend of Zelda
4. Metroid
5. Yoshi
6. Kirby
7. Star Fox
8. Pokemon
9. Earthbound
10. F-Zero
11. Ice Climber
12. Fire Emblem
13. Game & Watch
14. Kid Icarus
15. Wario
16. Pikmin
17. R.O.B.
18. Animal Crossing
19. Wii Fit
20. Punch Out!!
21. Mii
22. Xenoblade Chronicles
23. Duck Hunt
24. Splatoon
25. ARMS

Third Party

1. Metal Gear
2. Sonic the Hedgehog
3. Mega Man
4. Pac-Man
5. Street Fighter
6. Final Fantasy
7. Bayonetta
8. Castlevania
9. Persona
10. Dragon Quest
11. Banjo Kazooie
12. Fatal Fury
13. Minecraft
14. Tekken
15. Kingdom Hearts

First Party Franchises with No Playable Characters

1. Electroplankton
2. Pictochat
3. Balloon Fight
4. Nintendogs
5. Find Mii
6. Tomodacchi Life
7. Wrecking Crew
8. Pilotwings
9. Wii Sports

What do you think of this ratio of first party to third party content? I know there are more franchises included, but characters and stages are the ones with the most billing.

This honestly feels about right, mostly Nintendo, but only just. I'm honestly expecting it to go the same as ultimate, where there's mostly first party in the base game, mostly third party in the dlc, with most first party characters being from existing franchises, and most third party ones being from new franchises.

And for the zelda discussion, character-wise I'd take just about anyone, especially if they aren't a generic hylian, but will always root for more antagonists (skull kid and ghirahim are very much my favourites here but again, will take anyone).

Thinking about it I am surprised that there weren't any mario odyssey or botw assist trophies? A guardian at least seems like a no-brainer to me.

Hoping all the dlc franchises can get stuff like that as well to flesh them out a bit as well, (and other minor representation, like more spirits beyond a small set on the dlc board (e.g. persona spirits from games other than 5), items, etc.)

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Now that you guys mention it. It looks like speculation has changed quite a lot since before Ultimate. A bunch of little guys like Krystal, Takamaru, and Isaac would get regular mentions but now most characters like that are limited to people who are specifically fans of them. Geno is probably the last of the more niche characters that is still discussed.

As for why, my guess would be primarily the shift in focus to notable new 1st parties and big 3rd parties that Ultimate's DLC had, and while we've gone back a little bit, we haven't exactly reset. The niche characters like Isaac seem to be regarded more as one of the many options for surprise picks now than actual viable options. There's also that these characters very often get acknowledged in the form of Assist Trophies, which should be a sign that they're listening, but most fans just view it as the chances of their inclusion plummeting to 0% for the games entire lifespan, and Ultimate in particular revealed a butt ton of its Assist Trophies almost on day 1, so nobody was really able to seriously discuss them for three whole years.

The third reason as to why is, I think, Piranha Plant. This single controversial pick has shifted people's focus from uniqueness and fun mechanics to specifically characters they really like and/or that are perceived as likely. Basically, if anyone can be unique and have fun mechanics, then that's no longer a point in their favor. Cue the Incredibles meme. It also means that whenever you see a character that would make for a zoner, or a kooky fighter of any archetype (EDIT: Or just needs a lot of stuff made up for them to work), you'll see takes like "Eh, they could be added with a functional moveset, but I'd rather have a character that fits in the game better", whatever that means for them.

 

[superprincess]

But then Alpha Dream decided “hey Geno would be cool to throw into Mario & Luigi” and had no issues doing so.

And removed him in the remake. Ou...

 

[Oracle Link]

Speaking of something diffrent than link and zelda!
Whats your opionion on eow Ganon joining smash?
I mean its a modern take on classic pig ganon (also this is the first time we got a modern artwork of pig ganon) also he looks diffrent from the humans so even haters of the artstyle should like him!

I think Classic ganon should at the very least be a boss/ Spirit i think he earned that spot instead of the 3d ones!

 

[Gengar84]

Speaking of something diffrent than link and zelda!
Whats your opionion on eow Ganon joining smash?
I mean its a modern take on classic pig ganon (also this is the first time we got a modern artwork of pig ganon) also he looks diffrent from the humans so even haters of the artstyle should like him!
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I think Classic ganon should at the very least be a boss/ Spirit i think he earned that spot instead of the 3d ones!

I normally don’t really care much about alternate versions of existing characters but I feel like Ganon and Ganondorf would be different enough in both design and moveset that he’d be a cool addition. I really like Ganon’s design in the Oracle games.

Something along the lines of this fan model by Anderson Gaston on Artstation based on those games would be pretty perfect for Smash in my opinion.

 

[Dinoman96]

TBH I definitely think out of the older niche fan requests, Geno's really just lucky that the Mario RPG remake is a thing, that gives him extended relevance and time in the spotlight in the speculation scene and also help further his momentum he's had since Smash 4 rejuvenated his online support base.

After Ultimate, I really thought the Geno fandom would go back to where it was after Brawl, mostly dissipated and in the background after he failed to get in, but the SMRPG remake at least gives them another leg to stand on for awhile longer.

 

[Gengar84]

TBH I definitely think out of the older niche fan requests, Geno's really just lucky that the Mario RPG remake is a thing, that gives him extended relevance and time in the spotlight in the speculation scene and also help further his momentum he's had since Smash 4 rejuvenated his online support base.

I really thought the Geno fandom would go back to where it was after Brawl, mostly dissipated and in the background after he failed to get in, but the SMRPG remake at least gives them another leg to stand for awhile longer.

Now I just need a Chrono Trigger remake. Magus is one of my favorite game characters so it would be cool to have something to give me a bit more hope there like SMRPG remake did for Geno. I know Crono is more likely if we do somehow get a character but there’s at least a case that could be made for Magus. At least we got that enhanced port of Chrono Cross on the Switch.

 

[Diddy Kong]

As said before, Impa and Ganon are the last big omissions I feel concerning Zelda. Most of the Zelda games have either one involved, in one way or another. They aren't going anywhere. Another heavyweight weapon user is a good thing and Ganon is unique with magic too. Impa also has enough to be unique.

 

[BuckleyTim]

It's hard to gauge which characters are the most hyped or which have truly fallen off because of how we're currently directly out of the smash cycle. I'm sure certain characters' fanbases will flare up again when we're back in the thick of it (And recency bias shifts towards expecting first-party nintendo faces above all else) but as for now we're only really able to get the consensus of the absolute hardcore that discuss smash rosters 3 years after the current game's support has ceased.

I kinda wish there was another fan-made poll that'd make the rounds. It'd be biased, sure, but it'd be fun to see what the internet now thinks should be most-wanted this far out.

An aside; I think we're kinda running off a false assumption that every character in a wanted character's franchise will stay when discussing them. Imagine if, say, Meta Knight was cut while BWD comes into the next Smash. Not saying it'd happen.. but I do wonder what tradeoffs will happen when all the dust clears.

 

[CannonStreak]

Are you sure you want one-offs from Kirby, or do you actually want one-role-of-importance Kirby characters with squandered potential, that at least got to be included as fully playable characters in Star Allies but have barely appeared since? The latter is more accurate to my common plight.

Well, if anything, it is not just any character, or just those playable in Star Allies. I was also thinking a villain like Nightmare, who is already an assist trophy, or Dark Matter in his sword using form in that Game Boy Game.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Reminder that even when Square and Nintendo partnered up in two different instances to create Mario spinoffs with fairly large rosters, Geno still didn't show up.

I know. Very sad....

Why can't I shoot hoops with Geno?!

Honestly if everyone's gonna have some sort of meter mechanic, we might as well just make FS Meter the default and give certain characters extra ways to mess around with it.

I don't agree. I don't like it when playing your character optimally means you never get to see your big flashy super move.

SF6 does this perfectly. One meter for Super Moves. Another meter for all your fiddly little mechanics.

Whats your opionion on eow Ganon joining smash?

I think pig Ganon should remain a Boss and not be a Fighter.

 

[Diddy Kong]

It's hard to gauge which characters are the most hyped or which have truly fallen off because of how we're currently directly out of the smash cycle. I'm sure certain characters' fanbases will flare up again when we're back in the thick of it (And recency bias shifts towards expecting first-party nintendo faces above all else) but as for now we're only really able to get the consensus of the absolute hardcore that discuss smash rosters 3 years after the current game's support has ceased.

I kinda wish there was another fan-made poll that'd make the rounds. It'd be biased, sure, but it'd be fun to see what the internet now thinks should be most-wanted this far out.

An aside; I think we're kinda running off a false assumption that every character in a wanted character's franchise will stay when discussing them. Imagine if, say, Meta Knight was cut while BWD comes into the next Smash. Not saying it'd happen.. but I do wonder what tradeoffs will happen when all the dust clears.

A few I know are still quite strong are: Isaac, Bandana Dee, Dixie Kong, Geno, Waluigi, Crash Bandicoot, Doom Dude / Guy / Bro / Mass Murderer , speaking of, Master Chief, and there's still plenty more to think of. But out of my head, these really stand out.

Then there's the "expected picks" as Octoling, Noah / Mio, sometimes Alear, Ring Fit Trainer, so that's still quite a few characters.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

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In case anyone missed them, the three spirits from unconnected third party games (including Zagreus from Hades) have been added back to the Spirit Board. That should mean that the only spirits that aren't back (if people missed the original event) are the ones from Princess Peach: Showtime and Super Mario Bros. Wonder.

And the Scarlet and Violet Spirits.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Speaking of something diffrent than link and zelda!
Whats your opionion on eow Ganon joining smash?
I mean its a modern take on classic pig ganon (also this is the first time we got a modern artwork of pig ganon) also he looks diffrent from the humans so even haters of the artstyle should like him!
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I think Classic ganon should at the very least be a boss/ Spirit i think he earned that spot instead of the 3d ones!

This design not even having a Trophy/Sticker/Spirit is already downright ridiculous.

Would love him in, as he’s the one form of the Triforce Trio that is missing among the biggest options(Tetra’s great too, but isn’t nearly as important. She would be cool too, though).

 

[DarthEnderX]

Now I just need a Chrono Trigger remake.

With Dragon Ball FighterZ graphics!

 

[Gengar84]

With Dragon Ball FighterZ graphics!

That would be perfect. I imagine keeping that graphical quality in an RPG would be a lot harder than a fighting game though. Fighting games typically have better graphics than a lot of other genres just because they don’t have to load as much on the screen at once. If they can make it work, I’d absolutely love that.

I’m kind of surprised they haven’t remade any of the NES or SNES Final Fantasy games in the HD-2D style. Final Fantasy VI would be awesome in the Octopath style in my opinion.

 

[Ivander]

I need Sol in Smash so they path is cleared for better ArcSys characters. Like Kunio.

Yes...Nintendo will have a D-tier character for that role/class/etc.

Remember when Smash added Urban Champ as it's street fighting rep instead of Ryu!

There's a dozen better video game samurai than Takamaru.

Most of them aren't even Samurai. Lyn's not a Samurai. Vergil's not a Samurai. Not even Sephiroth is a Samurai. A character using a katana is no basis for being termed a class of the system. Being a member of the Japanese warrior caste derives from a following towards the ruling executive of that caste, not because of a git being decent at wielding a one-edge chopping knife. I mean, if Mario went around sayin' he was a plumber just because he took out some turtles and flies that came out of some giant pipes, they'd call him a looney!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That would be perfect. I imagine keeping that graphical quality in an RPG would be a lot harder than a fighting game though.

I think it would be a little easier just because Crono Trigger is very zoomed out so the models wouldn't have to be so detailed outside of cutscenes, which generally swap out models in games anyway.

 

[osby]

I think trying to give Chrono Trigger super high-quality graphics while keeping the gameplay and camera intact would look super awkward and not even look good. As overused as it is, HD-2D is probably the best way to handle a remake if the graphics need an update, which they don't imo.

...to tie this to speculation, uhhhhh, Robo for Smash!

 

[Gengar84]

I think trying to give Chrono Trigger super high-quality graphics while keeping the gameplay and camera intact would look super awkward and not even look good. As overused as it is, HD-2D is probably the best way to handle a remake if the graphics need an update, which they don't imo.

...to tie this to speculation, uhhhhh, Robo for Smash!

Yeah, I feel like a drastic change like that is probably better saved for a sequel. I think it could still work for a remake if they adjusted the camera and animations while keeping the general gameplay in tact. The Mana remakes did something similar and seem to have worked out pretty well. I love the Octopath style but I feel it’s best suited for the Final Fantasy remakes. Chrono Trigger’s anime style makes sense to go for a cel shaded approach. I’d be happy either way though.