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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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What I do take issue with is people telling others things like "If you think this character is happening then you haven't been paying attention" or other stuff like that. It feels insulting and condescending, and I've always considered it the worst aspect of Smash discussion.
Ooh. That.

Yeah, ain't gonna argue with this. I very much agree that there are people here who are too condescending. Try to call them out on it, you either get ignored, insulted or reported yourself. It just leads to a lot of unnecessary arguments.
 

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That's the thing. Some of the characters who people want playable are not in that area of "Either they are an Echo or they aren't playable".
If they aren't in that 'Either they are an Echo or they aren't playable' area, then Nintendo will make them a Fighter anyway. And it doesn't matter.

But Nintendo decides who's in that area. So in the meantime, I'll keep letting them know, "If this character isn't gonna be a unique Fighter, I'm okay with an Echo".
 
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My series by series ramblings on who is most likely and/or I'd like to see more:

:ultmario:
Toad: his stocks are at an all-time high. He keeps showing up in mainline Mario games, he got his own game (which got rereleased twice!), he's the funny sidekick in a kids' movie which often guarantees popularity, and he's an uber iconic character in general. There's lots and lots of source material to draw from to make him a fighter. I believe the only thing that can stop him this time is if Sakurai really is dead-set against it. We don't seem him as likely because he got skipped over in the previous games, but in a vacuum I'd say he's a no-brainer.
Geno: another character whose stocks are at an all-time high. He's always been heavily requested, but now he's finally relevant and the Mario RPG remake did very well in both sales and reception. With Square being more collaborative lately, and having most of their major characters already in Smash, it feels like the time could be right. I give him a slight edge over Toad because Sakurai clearly likes the guy.
Waluigi: to be honest, I don't see him happening. Toad is more popular with casual fans, and Geno has a longer history of being requested for Smash; I'd also say that both are easier to make a moveset for that would make them unique. Waluigi got that uproar when he was revealed as an AT during Ultimate's first presentation, but that's pretty much it. The fact that he's still relegated to spin-offs doesn't help his case. Don't get me wrong, the dude is funny and I'd like him to be playable, it just feels like there hasn't been any major shake-up that really raised his stocks unlike what happened with Geno and Toad.
Paper Mario: I feel like he's more likely than people give him credit for? I think we can all agree that, if the series featured original characters, it would have had playable representation since Brawl. It can still happen, and Paper Mario has a lot to work with to make a moveset, being able to draw stuff from at least 6 games. He also has multigenerational appeal, having appeared on pretty much every Nintendo console from the N64 onwards, and the series is still going strong... Could happen.
My pick: Toad
My prediction: Geno

:ultdk:
Dixie Kong: what's there to say that hasn't been said already? Dixie has appeared in a ton of DK games, she co-stars in DKC2 which is probably the most beloved entry still, headlines DKC3, got brought back for Tropical Freeze to huge acclaim, has always been a fan-favorite, gets used in Mario stuff, appears in movies, Lego sets and theme parks. This character has proved herself time and time again, and to top it all off she possesses unique abilities that aren't represented by any other DK character in Smash. However, DKC hasn't gotten a new game in forever, and Smash has always been very reluctant towards adding content from this series for some reason. She doesn't feel particularly likely, all things considered.
Funky Kong: he'd be a perfect echo fighter for DK. Make him do the same attacks but with a different flair, in a Samus/Dark Samus-like dynamic. He'd be a show-off tryhard but still play the same. Maybe make him spin on his surfing board during the Up B. It feels like he's popular enough to get in this way.
Cranky Kong: could still happen, but he's a distant third compared to the other two. A comedic moveset themed after senility and 4th wall breaking would be very funny, but it's a matter of Sakurai getting that idea and developing a strong enough affection for it to make Cranky into a fighter. In terms of fan requests and ease of development, Dixie and Funky both trump him.
My pick: Dixie Kong (+ Funky as an Echo)
My prediction: none

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Rauru: I'm fully convinced this character is extremely likely. Newer Smash movesets have focused a lot on bringing in not just the character, but the entire mechanics of their game of origin - and you need a full moveset to do TotK's mechanics justice. It can't be done by just changing a couple of Link's moves and calling it a day (plus I believe Link should stay BotW-themed, it's going to be THE Zelda game going forward). Link's abilities in TotK canonically come from Rauru so he'd be a great fit to represent Ultrahand, Ascend and all the other stuff. With the BotW duology propelling the series to new highs, it just feels right to have a character from it, and Rauru's the best fit.
Skull Kid: if they decide to look back at older characters for a Zelda newcomer, there's still a strong case to be made for Skull Kid. Majora's Mask is stil a very popular game and that's not going to change any time soon. You can build a moveset for him without too much trouble, and he's also been significantly requested for a long time. I'd say that looking at older Zelda games right after BotW/TotK is particularly unlikely though, and I dunno he also kinda hinges on Young Link not getting cut? Would be weird for the main "villain" of Majora's Mask to be playable while the hero is nowhere to be seen.
Midna: you can apply to her most of the points I've made for Skull Kid; I just feel like Skull Kid has a bit more clout in the general gaming sphere.
Ghirahim: he was a front-runner along with Skull Kid and Midna once, but unlike those other two, it feels like his popularity has faded a bit. Extremely unlikely in my opinion.
Impa: people always rave about her, but eh I'll be honest: I kinda don't want for the first original Zelda character since Melee to mostly draw from a spin-off. This is a Hyrule Warriors character, not a Zelda character. In the main series, her design and abilities are all over the place and she's not really super memorable. ...aside from her killer Skyward Sword design. If they find a way to work that into a Sheik echo, I'm on board.
Ganon: it's worth bringing him up but I don't see him getting in as his own character. I think it would be cool if they found a way to implement him in Ganondorf's moveset, though. Like, I dunno, after he reaches 100% damage he transforms into Ganon... Probably a dumb idea, but it would be nice for Ganon to be more involved.
My pick: Skull Kid
My prediction: Rauru

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Raven Beak: I think this dude is one of the best final bosses in any Nintendo game, which is high praise. A long, adrenalinic, unique, tough but fair fight with a bombastic finale! And he would work pretty well as a fighter. But he's still a one-off villain and those usually don't get in Smash, and also I don't know, loved Dread and all but personally I'm fine with just Ridley and Dark Samus.
My pick: give Dark Samus some more of her own abilities and call it a day
My prediction: none

:ultyoshi:
Poochy: love the little guy, but let's be real.
The stork: would be very funny, but let's be real.
Shy Guy: this is more like it! Would be a bit of a repeat of Piranha Plant, but these guys are a core part of Yoshi's identity as a series and with all their different occupations there's lots and lots of stuff to draw from to make a moveset. ...but let's be real.
Kamek: the only candidate "from Yoshi" with a tiny chance, Kamek has unique abilities and shows up very often but I'm not sure he's ever really evolved past being mostly a background character. He has a notable role in the Mario movie, which is nice, but in the games... eeh. Can't see it.
My pick: none
My predicion: none

:ultkirby:
Bandana Dee: Kirby's had, like, 5-6 important games since Brawl (Return to Dream Land, Triple Deluxe, Robobot, Star Allies, Forgotten Land - if I haven't forgotten anything) and I believe Bandana dude plays an important role in all of those as well as in the spin-offs. He's heavily requested, the spear moveset is fun, there's not really any character in Smash who plays like he would (small body + big range). If I have to be perfectly honest he's not particularly awe-inducing as a choice, but objecively there's no reason why he should get skipped over again.
Magolor: a step below Bandana Dee, but he's one of the few Kirby villains who escaped the "appears in only one game" curse and has a suitable body shape to work as a fighter. I don't remember much from his fight in Return to Dream Land but it feels like he can be unique enough. Representing the more cosmic, "dark" side of the Kirby series in a character would also be interesting.
Marx: he's a lot like Magolor, in this case they'd go vintage instead of modern. I think I'd like Marx a little more because it would be cool to see how they make a fighter with no arms move around, and his jester theme is more interesting to me. I also think he's creepier than Magolor, at least from what I remember from the games.
My pick: Marx / Bandana Dee
My prediction: Bandana Dee

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Krystal: if this series was ever to get another character, it would be her. The staff abilities in SFA still feel unique enough even after all this time, to be honest. But it's not going to happen.
My pick: none
My prediction: turbo none

:ultpikachu:
I'm super out of the loop with Pokémon. I usually like what they bring to Smash though, so it's going to be a Gen 9 or Gen 10 Pokémon and I'm most likely going to like it. My last games have been Gold and Silver so I'll just talk about the two Pokémon I'd like to see the most.
Gengar: a trickster ghost would be pretty unique and I love his creepy smile. I also actually think he has a shot, really proved himself to be an evergreen character in terms of popularity.
Heracross: he doesn't have a shot. But I think a Bug Pokémon would be very cool, and Heracross has the coolest, most Smash-fitting design, at least out of the ones I know. He could fly around, ram into you with his horn, harden his skin, shoot webs, do some wrestling moves... I'd like him a lot.
My prediction: a Gen 10 Pokémon

:ultfalcon:
Blood Falcon: would make for a pretty cool Echo fighter. Ultimate's Classic Mode routes already use Captain Falcon's Blood Falcon color scheme as the actual Blood Falcon a ton of times anyways, so they could just go all the way and make him an echo. Change his voice, make his animations less heroic and his flames purple (and of course change the Final Smash to use his machine) and he's good to go. I don't see much else happening with F-Zero, even Blood Falcon is a long shot. If he appeared in F-Zero 99 I'd be sligthly more confident about his chances, but that's not the case.
Black Shadow: people want him to inherit Ganondorf's moveset, but I don't think that would work. The sword attacks would be out as Black Shadow doesn't use one, and some of the fully original moves (ftilt, fair, side B) are references to things Ganondorf actually does, so it would be weird to take them away from him and give them to a different character. Also, Black Shadow is still an F-Zero character. I don't think he should be as fast as Captain Falcon, but certainly not one of the slowest characters in the game either.
Pico: just bringing him up for fun, but a violent futuristic ninja turtle assassin with a penchant for guns? That would make for an awesome character who'd retain a lot of that aggressive, precise F-Zero feel. Plus he's been there for the whole series, and for what it's worth, he (or at least his machine) is at the peak of his popularity thanks to F-Zero 99. Samurai Goroh and Dr. Stewart have also been there since the beginning, but I feel like they'd be a little more difficult to make a moveset for. As a big fan of F-Zero I feel like Pico would be the ideal pick. But it's not going to happen.
My pick: Pico
My prediction: none

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Porky: Porky would be amazing. I think he would fight in his Earthbound mech since it's smaller and more compact, but he'd have stuff from both it and his spider mech from Mother 3. He rams into you, releases stinky gas, deploys the Porky Bots, shoots lasers... He could also take stuff from some of the robotic enemies in the Mother series, like raising up shields and the likes. Final Smash would be of course summoning the Devil Machine, turning it off and leaving everyone to the mercy of Giygas. Aside from potentially being very unique and bringing in Giygas (who's one of the most iconic things about Earthbound) he also has two advantages: being the vililain for both Ness and Lucas, and already having had an important role in Brawl, which makes him more well-known to general Smash fans compared to pretty much any other Mother character. Maybe if Mother was still going on as a series, and/or if Smash didn't break it big the way it did, he'd have a decent chance. As of now, though, he doesn't really.
Masked Man: I remember he was heavily requested during the Brawl days, but that time has passed, and being Mother 3 only really kills his chances. Realistically, Mother is not going to get another character, and even if it did, it would 100% be Porky. A shame since he's obviously cool.
Ninten: a potential Ness echo? I love Mother 1 but I don't feel much need for this. He's too similar to Ness to even be an echo.
My pick: Porky
My prediction: none

...ended up geeking out way more than I though I would, so for now I'll just leave it at the Smash 64 series.
 
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As a girl in the male dominated hobby of gaming, I think that kind of popularity is next to invalid. That's neither here nor there, but I find it really degrading and not the kind of popularity female characters should aim for.

In the topic of Smash, it's also why I detest everything ZSS stands for.
just zero suit?

My series by series ramblings on who is most likely and/or I'd like to see more:

:ultmario:
Toad: his stocks are at an all-time high. He keeps showing up in mainline Mario games, he got his own game (which got rereleased twice!)
i want you to look up wario's woods
 
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I’ve got a question. What’s everyone’s basis on the idea that Impa should be a Sheik echo? Impa has been playable in two games now and has had three unique movesets between those games. None of these really have any overlap with how Sheik plays in Smash. In the mainline series, Impa is more of a side character and is never really shown using any specific attacks to my knowledge. Is it just that she’s a Sheikah and Sheik is disguising as one? I’m not sure that’s enough. For example, Ruto, Mipha, and Sidon all play completely differently despite all being Zora. Same goes for Darunia and Daruk both being Gorons.
 

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just zero suit?
Yes. Her Smash inclusion was probably what inspired Other M, which was a disaster on its own. I also don't like how Brawl and SSB4 made her body look. Samus just doesn't look like that... she's muscular and athletic. Looking at her Subspace Emissary intro tells me all I need to know about that choice though. Thankfully Ultimate kinda remedies that, but still... they kept the ugly, made-up high heels from SSB4. The character is pointless and it's even more grating that suited Samus hasn't had the best rep in Smash. So instead of fixing her, they opted to add a suitless version... for reasons.

I do enjoy ZSS' playstyle and play as her quite often, but if I'm being objective, her place in Smash is really just a Samus victory screen and nothing more.
I’ve got a question. What’s everyone’s basis on the idea that Impa should be a Sheik echo? Impa has been playable in two games now and has had three unique movesets between those games. None of these really have any overlap with how Sheik plays in Smash. In the mainline series, Impa is more of a side character and is never really shown using any specific attacks to my knowledge. Is it just that she’s a Sheikah and Sheik is disguising as one? I’m not sure that’s enough. For example, Ruto, Mipha, and Sidon all play completely differently despite all being Zora. Same goes for Darunia and Daruk both being Gorons.
Impa canonically trained Sheik during the seven year time gap in Ocarina of Time. Impa is also the originator of Sheik's only canon move; she can vanish in a flash, just like Sheik does post-timeskip.

It also helps that the two have similar builds in some incarnations, and that Impa has a dagger sheath on her back, just like Sheik does.
 
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Yes. Her Smash inclusion was probably what inspired Other M, which was a disaster on its own. I also don't like how Brawl and SSB4 made her body look. Samus just doesn't look like that... she's muscular and athletic. Looking at her Subspace Emissary intro tells me all I need to know about that choice though. Thankfully Ultimate kinda remedies that, but still... they kept the ugly, made-up high heels from SSB4. The character is pointless and it's even more grating that suited Samus hasn't had the best rep in Smash. So instead of fixing her, they opted to add a suitless version... for reasons.

I do enjoy ZSS' playstyle and play as her quite often, but if I'm being objective, her place in Smash is really just a Samus victory screen and nothing more.
I doubt it inspired other M
 

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Yes. Her Smash inclusion was probably what inspired Other M, which was a disaster on its own. I also don't like how Brawl and SSB4 made her body look. Samus just doesn't look like that... she's muscular and athletic. Looking at her Subspace Emissary intro tells me all I need to know about that choice though. Thankfully Ultimate kinda remedies that, but still... they kept the ugly, made-up high heels from SSB4. The character is pointless and it's even more grating that suited Samus hasn't had the best rep in Smash. So instead of fixing her, they opted to add a suitless version... for reasons.

I do enjoy ZSS' playstyle and play as her quite often, but if I'm being objective, her place in Smash is really just a Samus victory screen and nothing more.

Impa canonically trained Sheik during the seven year time gap in Ocarina of Time. Impa is also the originator of Sheik's only canon move; she can vanish in a flash, just like Sheik does post-timeskip.

It also helps that the two have similar builds in some incarnations, and that Impa has a dagger sheath on her back, just like Sheik does.
That’s a fair point. I suppose, lore wise, there is at least some basis for the two to play similarly. I just personally feel like it would be a missed opportunity because her unique movesets from the Warriors games are so fun and unique. If they based Impa off her Warriors or AoC appearances, that would be a great way to bring in the awesome soundtracks from those games. I also feel like Hyrule Warriors had a more interesting Sheik moveset than Smash currently does. I still love Sheik as a character so I really want to see her stay, but those are just my thoughts.
 
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Man it's gonna be real funny if after all the speculation about a Gen 9 Pokemon getting into the next Smash....

We just end up getting another Gen 6 Pokemon instead LMAO
Greninja ain't going anywhere lmao
 

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Greninja just tidying his seat on the next Smash roster. Getting comfy.


I'm pretty hyped for this, no blunders, no complaints. Pokémon Legends is officially a new series and with a 2025 release, gives it a little extra time to cook. I was pretty worried about whatever they'd be rushing for 2024
 

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It did at least canonize the name Smash gave to Zero Suit Samus's pistol, that being the Paralyzer. In Zero Mission it was simply known as "Pistol".
it’s not in other M

Man it's gonna be real funny if after all the speculation about a Gen 9 Pokemon getting into the next Smash....

We just end up getting another Gen 6 Pokemon instead LMAO
Or indeed a new version
 

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Unfortunately, none of my top 5 favorites are from Gen 6. My favorites from that Gen are Clawitzer, Malamar, and Noivern but I’m not sure how likely any of those are even if we did get another character. I wonder if you could do anything to represent Malamar’s Contrary ability in Smash? It definitely makes it interesting to play in the main games. Furfrou is probably my all time favorite Pokémon to use in the games. I just love the combination of Fur Coat and Cotton Guard to be a great physical wall.
 
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but I’m not sure how likely any of those are even if we did get another character.
I think it's going to be Sylveon if we get more Kalos. It always trails right behind Greninja on popularity polls, and is still high up there on polls where it's an acceptable answer but not Greninja.

Which as someone who thinks Eevee and its evolutions have the popularity and marketing potential to be chosen over another humanoid starter from the latest generation...meh. Sylveon's actually my least favorite Eeveelution. But on the plus side, you don't have to worry about how it's going to use items when it has those...flesh ribbons.
 

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Gen 6 has a few favourites of mine.

Greninja is like, tippity top of my list. Only Lugia ranks higher than Greninja in terms of personal favourites.

Hawlucha is also amazing. So much to fun play as.

Malamar is freaky and amazing. I love it's contrary and topsy turvy.


Those 3 will usually join my post game team when available. I adore them. Probably be on my team again honestly
 

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I cant believe the people from last year who sounded like conspiracy theorists were right.

They WERE planning a Kalos revisit after all.

I guess we look like the stupid ones. lol
 

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Yes. Her Smash inclusion was probably what inspired Other M, which was a disaster on its own. I also don't like how Brawl and SSB4 made her body look. Samus just doesn't look like that... she's muscular and athletic. Looking at her Subspace Emissary intro tells me all I need to know about that choice though. Thankfully Ultimate kinda remedies that, but still... they kept the ugly, made-up high heels from SSB4. The character is pointless and it's even more grating that suited Samus hasn't had the best rep in Smash. So instead of fixing her, they opted to add a suitless version... for reasons.

I do enjoy ZSS' playstyle and play as her quite often, but if I'm being objective, her place in Smash is really just a Samus victory screen and nothing more.
i feel like this is kinda harsh towards Brawl's artists, but I understand it's your personal take, but when she came to Brawl I just immediately thought "high quality version of zero mission's gba render" ... Yes I agree that her brawl design certainly helped inform her other M incarnation (but shorter and pouty lol no idea why they did that) but I don't think it was ALL from brawl, as I said they made her kinda vulnerable looking in other M, or ... Less mechanical or stiff while in zero suit as a means to give her humanity and it backfired ofc. But as for Brawl she looked to fit in with the rest of the Brawl aesthetic. In fact Zelda used to catch my eye more than her and Peach was the flirty one with the lalalalalaaa taunt haha ah the 2000s.
 

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I cant believe the people from last year who sounded like conspiracy theorists were right.

They WERE planning a Kalos revisit after all.

I guess we look like the stupid ones. lol
lol that’s exactly why I don’t like to make definitive statements one way or the other. I don’t know anything about what any game company might be thinking. The best I can do is speculate but I always admit I’m just guessing. I wonder if this hurts Zoroark’s chances. It was near the top of my list both in who I personally wanted and found most likely if we got an older Pokemon instead of a Gen 9 rep.
 

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I got a feeling Aegislash is our next Pokemon character that makes it into the next Smash game because of the Legends Z-A announcement.
 

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I got a feeling Aegislash is our next Pokemon character that makes it into the next Smash game because of the Legends Z-A announcement.
My friend will be happy about that because he’s a big Aegislash fan. I think if I had to back just one character, it’s Malamar. I both really like its design and it’s fun to play. It also seems to be a bit more relevant than the rest of my favorites from that gen (Clawitzer, Noivern, Tyrantrum, and Dragalge).
 

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lol that’s exactly why I don’t like to make definitive statements one way or the other. I don’t know anything about what any game company might be thinking. The best I can do is speculate but I always admit I’m just guessing. I wonder if this hurts Zoroark’s chances. It was near the top of my list both in who I personally wanted and found most likely if we got an older Pokemon instead of a Gen 9 rep.
It was the most grasping at straws thing that most people would brush off, Paldea and Kalos are connected to each other IRL and the top corner of Paldea has a section where the trainers there use exclusively Kalos Pokemon, its not much but it got some people thinking.


Wait. This is Gen 6.


Will we finally know "the one"?
Thats a legititmate question, the last Legends game reused Dawn and Lucas as the protagonists but now their older, making it a sequel to Diamond and Pearl.

Will this game reuse Calem and Serena but now older? In which case they would be our first adult Pokemon protagonists because they were 17 in XY.
 

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It was the most grasping at straws thing that most people would brush off, Paldea and Kalos are connected to each other IRL and the top corner of Paldea has a section where the trainers there use exclusively Kalos Pokemon, its not much but it got some people thinking.



Thats a legititmate question, the last Legends game reused Dawn and Lucas as the protagonists but now their older, making it a sequel to Diamond and Pearl.

Will this game reuse Calem and Serena but now older? In which case they would be our first adult Pokemon protagonists because they were 17 in XY.
The LA protagonists are separate from Lucas and Dawn. Their names are Rei and Akari, and they have completely different dominant hands. Lucas and Dawn are left handed, while Rei and Akari are right handed.
 

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The LA protagonists are separate from Lucas and Dawn. Their names are Rei and Akari, and they have completely different dominant hands. Lucas and Dawn are left handed, while Rei and Akari are right handed.
The game makes it perfectly clear that the player characters are Dawn/Lucas but time warped, Rei and Akari are just the names of the opposite gender you didnt pick who already lived in the past to begin with.
 

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It’s Noiverning time
Glad to see another Noivern fan. It has such a cool design. I’d imagine it might be tricky to make it work in Smash because it’s a flier that’s known for being super fast so you can’t really balance it out with slow attacks like Ridley or Charizard.
 

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What does Helena from Pokemon Masters have to do with Z-A?

(Wait, does that joke even work? IDK).
The Hex Maniac's redesign from XY is crazy popular compared to the original GBA sprite. And despite ORAS being what made it insanely popular, the design first appeared in XY.

And in case you're wondering what that has to do with anything...Helena is a generic Hex Maniac turned into an actual character.
 
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The game makes it perfectly clear that the player characters are Dawn/Lucas but time warped, Rei and Akari are just the names of the opposite gender you didnt pick who already lived in the past to begin with.
I don't think they are, because I don't think that being isekaied into the past will cause you to completely switch dominant hands.
 
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