Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Nekoo]

Just to put it there, but, people gotta remember that while the Party Crash can be seen as a """popularity contest""" you all gotta remember that it's also a fighting game. While fondamentally each characters are the same, they had varying options which do made some and others stronger than the others.

AKA, some characters were stronger than others thanks to their abilities or ARMS combo.
Spoiler alert: Min-Min was and still is considered one of the strongest character in the game.

 

[Aetheri]

I kinda feel like the whole reason Nintendo did the whole 'Guess Who' thing WAS because of the SNK leak

"Oh, ****! They leaked the company for Smash DLC....but look all of this discussion and speculation about who this character could be. Y'know we have our own lil fighting game that seems to have resonated well with our fans."

 

[PSIGuy]

It would be very Nintendo to assume that the discussion generated by speculating a whole company's worth of IP could be replicated by saying "it's from this game" and showing all 13~ possibilities up front.

 

[Icedragonadam]

So it's been pointed out that background swirl pattern of the announcement tweet matches up exactly with Springman, Max Brass's, and Springtron's main background swirl.

Pointed out in the @AllSourceGaming Dischord....while it probably doesn't mean anything the background pattern for the new Smash announcement matches that used by two ARMS characters: Springman and Max Brass pic.twitter.com/epJiflTiYm

— David Krane (@8bit_Snazzy) June 19, 2020

It probably means nothing, but after Sakurai's three finger binary code tease for Byleth, it's possible.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

So it's been pointed out that background swirl pattern of the announcement tweet matches up exactly with Springman, Max Brass's, and Springtron's main background swirl.

Spoiler: Media

Pointed out in the @AllSourceGaming Dischord....while it probably doesn't mean anything the background pattern for the new Smash announcement matches that used by two ARMS characters: Springman and Max Brass pic.twitter.com/epJiflTiYm

— David Krane (@8bit_Snazzy) June 19, 2020

It probably means nothing, but after Sakurai's three finger binary code tease for Byleth, it's possible.

This was kind of glossed over, but this background was also used for the character select screen, making this meaningless.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I do think Ninjara is underrated around here. He was initially chosen as a spirit over other characters for a reason and was the other finalist against Min Min in that Party Crash.

Yes, but people can't lewd Ninjara as easily, so he seems to have less of a fanbase.

...it kinda disgusts me that this completely sarcastic statement nonetheless does have a grain of truth...

 

[True Blue Warrior]

This was kind of glossed over, but this background was also used for the character select screen, making this meaningless.

The character select back ground and Spring Man's background are different.

 

[frozolloyd]

So it's been pointed out that background swirl pattern of the announcement tweet matches up exactly with Springman, Max Brass's, and Springtron's main background swirl.

Pointed out in the @AllSourceGaming Dischord....while it probably doesn't mean anything the background pattern for the new Smash announcement matches that used by two ARMS characters: Springman and Max Brass pic.twitter.com/epJiflTiYm

— David Krane (@8bit_Snazzy) June 19, 2020

It probably means nothing, but after Sakurai's three finger binary code tease for Byleth, it's possible.

It does mean nothing in this context, as that pattern is also the pattern in the backround of ALL characters during the character selection screen.
Video as comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnckOjdVK8s
Not saying springman isn't the most likely, but that pattern isn't really giving away anything.
edit: someone commented on it first

 

[Aetheri]

Yes, but people can't lewd Ninjara as easily, so he seems to have less of a fanbase.

...it kinda disgusts me that this completely sarcastic statement nonetheless does have a grain of truth...

In the words of a late great youtuber...

"She legal!"

 

[I.D.]

So it's been pointed out that background swirl pattern of the announcement tweet matches up exactly with Springman, Max Brass's, and Springtron's main background swirl.

Pointed out in the @AllSourceGaming Dischord....while it probably doesn't mean anything the background pattern for the new Smash announcement matches that used by two ARMS characters: Springman and Max Brass pic.twitter.com/epJiflTiYm

— David Krane (@8bit_Snazzy) June 19, 2020

It probably means nothing, but after Sakurai's three finger binary code tease for Byleth, it's possible.

Someone already pointed out the same generic yellow background has already been used before in promo art unrelated to any character in particular.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Looks like it was nothing, still banking and hoping for Max Brass though. Just 3 more days.......

 

[Hinata]

This was kind of glossed over, but this background was also used for the character select screen, making this meaningless.

As True Blue Warrior mentioned, Spring Man's background and the background used for the CSS are different. Very similar, yes, but different in one notable way.

The CSS has its swirls fading out near the top.



Springy Boy's background fades out near the center.

 

[Shroob]

Well this is interesting, ain't it.


Would be kinda ****ing hilarious though if 4chan did get their Max Brass in the end.

 

[TheCJBrine]

The character select back ground and Spring Man's background are different.

This pretty much means the background means nothing, then, as the one used is the CSS background, as pointed out in that post.

edit: oh, this was mentioned already...

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

So, what you’re saying is, boi-oi-oing yeah.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

At this point I really do think it's either Springman or Min Min. Both of them have pretty high chances. A strong 50/50 for sure

 

[Banado_Boy]

As stated before, the character select screen background and Spring Man’s background do have a few differences; I was wrong on my initial post about it. But the generic yellow background did exist before the Sakurai presentation announcement. You can find it here, under the artwork section.



So yes, the background should not be taken as a hint.

 

[CosmicQuark]

I think the background means nothing. I’m getting chair vibes when dissecting minute details to find some slight differences to point to characters. Though, we know because of Byleth’s presentation that he’s not against hinting. I just think if it was literally Springman’s background pixel by pixel, that would be a far more brazen hint than anything coming before it.

Just watched Gamexplain’s video. Find it very interesting they seem to be jumping over themselves to clearly say they’re sure it’s not Springman, when just a couple weeks ago they seemed more open to the possibility. As we saw with the Grinch banner, they do get insider information, and back then they were warning people against believing it.

I do think this does put some ambiguity in how we should interpret everything. Perhaps people did misinterpret Nate’s hint, perhaps Gamexplain don’t know who it is but are hoping it’s not Springman. Either way, Monday is going to be very interesting to watch regardless of the outcome. *gets popcorn ready*

 

[Icedragonadam]

People were expecting KOS-MOS to be CP5 partly because of her being discussed on GameXplain and we all know how that turned out. And they know how Smash Fans think their team is leaking characters, so they tend to be trolls about it.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I’m getting chair vibes when dissecting minute details to find some slight differences to point to characters.

It's a reasonable observation to make so I wouldn't say it's comparable to Chair Theory. It didn't go anywhere upon further investigation, but it's not leap in logic like "ZOMG those chairs are purple and yellow which corresponds to characters that corresponds to Skull Kid! He's totally in guys!" was.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Inb4 the newcomer ends up being Dr. Coyle.

 

[Shroob]

I think the background means nothing. I’m getting chair vibes when dissecting minute details to find some slight differences to point to characters. Though, we know because of Byleth’s presentation that he’s not against hinting. I just think if it was literally Springman’s background pixel by pixel, that would be a far more brazen hint than anything coming before it.

Just watched Gamexplain’s video. Find it very interesting they seem to be jumping over themselves to clearly say they’re sure it’s not Springman, when just a couple weeks ago they seemed more open to the possibility. As we saw with the Grinch banner, they do get insider information, and back then they were warning people against believing it.

I do think this does put some ambiguity in how we should interpret everything. Perhaps people did misinterpret Nate’s hint, perhaps Gamexplain don’t know who it is but are hoping it’s not Springman. Either way, Monday is going to be very interesting to watch regardless of the outcome. *gets popcorn ready*

I wouldn't put that much stock into Gamexplain in regards to leaks to be blunt.

Remember when everyone was tearing themselves apart because "OMG Jongamexplain said Kos-Mos?!"


While they do get stuff right "What, no Dash?", they're not really a source for leak information I'd look for reliably.

 

[Nanami77]

Well this is interesting, ain't it.


Would be kinda ****ing hilarious though if 4chan did get their Max Brass in the end.

Wait, how popular is he over there?

 

[CosmicQuark]

It's a reasonable observation to make so I wouldn't say it's comparable to Chair Theory. It didn't go anywhere upon further investigation, but it's not leap in logic like "ZOMG those chairs are purple and yellow which corresponds to characters that corresponds to Skull Kid! He's totally in guys!" was.

I know, but given how much debate is around very minute details when comparing character backgrounds and the css background, it’s hard not to get those vibes.

I want to be clear I’m not complaining. That’s the parts I love about speculation. My thoughts, though, is that given how much debate is on these little lines, its hard to see it being intentional to me. Particularly, as I said, how brazen it would be if it did perfectly match Spring Man’s background.

EDIT:

I wouldn't put that much stock into Gamexplain in regards to leaks to be blunt.

Remember when everyone was tearing themselves apart because "OMG Jongamexplain said Kos-Mos?!"


While they do get stuff right "What, no Dash?", they're not really a source for leak information I'd look for reliably.

Not as a source, I agree, though as a means of remaining cautious, I think it’s good to take what they say into consideration. I pointed out they may not know who it is, as a possibility. And if I were to put down money, I’d still say Spring Man. But, always good to be more cautious.

 

[Shroob]

Wait, how popular is he over there?

On 4chan? He's the "Haha Max Brass teh funny /ourguy/" kinda choice. It's basically the "Ugly Steve" of this DLC.

 

[Nanami77]

On 4chan? He's the "Haha Max Brass teh funny /ourguy/" kinda choice. It's basically the "Ugly Steve" of this DLC.

Kind of based, ngl.

Max Brass is the ultimate chad that could renew some hype for DLC if he gets in.

 

[Cosmic77]

I dunno. Personally, I don't see the backgrounds meaning anything in the long run.

Reminds me a lot of Chair Theory or picture with Golden Sun angle. In other words, people overthinking simple things that probably mean nothing.

 

[Shroob]

I dunno. Personally, I don't see the backgrounds meaning anything in the long run.

Reminds me a lot of Chair Theory or picture with Golden Sun angle. In other words, people overthinking simple things that probably mean nothing.

I agree, but then we get a curveball like Sakurai with his Byleth tease.

That's the fun of speculation, it's means nothing until you let your guard down, then suddenly it means something.

 

[Aetheri]

I still find it pretty hilarious that fans have technically only got and right with their theories. This theory gained even more traction after echoes were introduced, as well as Sakurai stating upon their reveals 'You may have seen them coming'

Since then fans have been examining everything and coming up with stuff like "OMG PILLOWS LOOK LIEK SKULL KID!!!"

 

[Shroob]

I still find it pretty hilarious that fans have technically only got and right with their theories. This theory gained even more traction after echoes were introduced, as well as Sakurai stating upon their reveals 'You may have seen them coming'

Since then fans have been examining everything and coming up with stuff like "OMG PILLOWS LOOK LIEK SKULL KID!!!"

I mean


TECHNICALLY SPEAKING


Box theory was right

 

[Aetheri]

I mean


TECHNICALLY SPEAKING


Box theory was right

True....but Box theory was only on number of fighters remaining rather than actually who was coming (though when paired with Vergeban it would hint at him being right with )

 

[Shroob]

The truth of Box Theory was it wasn't a theory at all, it was created by taking well-known insider information that had been known since late June/early July, and pairing it with the one with loose lips(Verg), and the box that Nintendo themselves put out.


But would anyone believe that "Sakurai would end on a Pokemon and Ken?"



Well, we all know how that turned out.

 

[Will]

But would anyone believe that "Sakurai would end on a Pokemon and Ken?"

after ending with olimar for brawl and shulk for 4 you'd think they'd understand that it isn't gonna end with hype every time

 

[Shroob]

after ending with olimar for brawl and shulk for 4 you'd think they'd understand that it isn't gonna end with hype every time

"No, you clearly don't get it. Why would they start on such a high note with EVERYONE IS HERE and then end on a fizzle?! It doesn't make any sense! S--surely this time is different, right? Surely history won't repeat itself again, RIGHT?!"

 

[andree123]

I dunno. Personally, I don't see the backgrounds meaning anything in the long run.

Reminds me a lot of Chair Theory or picture with Golden Sun angle. In other words, people overthinking simple things that probably mean nothing.

Remember the memes about background stuff teasing newcomers such as pac man in the clouds with greninja's trailer or the monado in Robin's trailer which actually came true.

 

[PSIGuy]

OK, so I understand Smash always ends with a fizzle, and the end is never as good as the start. This is true of Brawl, Smash 4, Smash 4 DLC, Ultimate and Fighter Pass 1...

...but I'm having a hard time imagining Fighters who would be a fizzle in comparison to ARMS.

 

[Shroob]

OK, so I understand Smash always ends with a fizzle, and the end is never as good as the start. This is true of Brawl, Smash 4, Smash 4 DLC, Ultimate and Fighter Pass 1...

...but I'm having a hard time imagining Fighters who would be a fizzle in comparison to ARMS.

Fire Emblem Heroes protagonist


You hit all the bases that makes the fanbase babyrage


Another Swordsman
Another Fire Emblem character
Phone bad

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Fire Emblem Heroes protagonist


You hit all the bases that makes the fanbase babyrage


Another Swordsman
Another Fire Emblem character
Phone bad

It's funny you say this because my irl friends said they'd prefer another FE character over the ARMS, but I do wonder how they'd feep about both

 

[Thermithral]

Fire Emblem Heroes protagonist


You hit all the bases that makes the fanbase babyrage


Another Swordsman
Another Fire Emblem character
Phone bad

That would be something, but I think I can do one better. Or, worse, I guess.

Rose Gold Peach
An echo fighter of Daisy, because why not.

It would piss off:
- The Mario Fans who want someone else
- The people who played Mario kart 8 Deluxe, because Rose Gold Peach is spreading to other games.
- Anyone who expects a third party character.
- Apple, because Rose Gold is their thing usually.
- Me, because please no.

 

[Hinata]

Guys, the ARMS rep has been staring us in the face this whole time!