Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Hadokeyblade]

Neither do metal slug characters, it is King of Fighters stadium, not SNK stadium after all

But Nakoruru, Captain America'd her way into the kof series tho

 

[Miifighters4Smash5]

So I have another game, it’s a little more complex then my other ones but I think you guys can follow it:
You guys know how pretty much every Dlc fighter has been very good? If a new dlc fighter got in(it could be anyone you want) why would they be broken?(or at least high tier)
I’ll start, Doomslayer would be good because he would be very fast and his moves would hit like trucks, plus his guns give him good range.

Why would TJ Combo be broken; His Last Breath mechanic that makes him stronger after depleting his Health bar, and restoring some of his health for a 2nd chance at victory after slamming his fist into the ground & saying "I Ain't Done Yet". . .

 

[GKMLTTSB]

I’ll start, Doomslayer would be good because he would be very fast and his moves would hit like trucks, plus his guns give him good range.

Elenor would potentially be (nearly) all projectiles, all the time. Shotguns, rifles, mechguns, launchers, etc.
Plus proximity traps to keep people away.

 

[TheTuninator]

So I have another game, it’s a little more complex then my other ones but I think you guys can follow it:
You guys know how pretty much every Dlc fighter has been very good? If a new dlc fighter got in(it could be anyone you want) why would they be broken?(or at least high tier)
I’ll start, Doomslayer would be good because he would be very fast and his moves would hit like trucks, plus his guns give him good range.

If Reimu were in and good, it'd be because she'd have a nutso projectile and aerial game.

 

[CharacterCrisisKing]

doooooooom

 

[KatKit]

Yeah but Athena's from Psycho Soldier. Nakoruru's popular enough to get a costume, when Kyo, the protagonist of KoF, couldn't even get one

That's because Kyo is going to lowkey be playable one day, complete with Kyo clone alts.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

Terry: Baseball Bandit Keith

Fun fact: Terry loves Basketball. His special/down B "Power Dunk" references this

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

So I have another game, it’s a little more complex then my other ones but I think you guys can follow it:
You guys know how pretty much every Dlc fighter has been very good? If a new dlc fighter got in(it could be anyone you want) why would they be broken?(or at least high tier)
I’ll start, Doomslayer would be good because he would be very fast and his moves would hit like trucks, plus his guns give him good range.

Ganon would not only subject his opponents to Belmont-levels of projectile spam hell, but his trident would give him the biggest disjoints in the game.

 

[WaddleMatt]

I have a huge gut feeling that KOS-MOS is going to finish off the pass and I'm not really sure why. I know basically nothing about her except she looks dope as ****.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

So...what is everyone's opinion on Doom Slayer's chances (tbh I never like the name Doomguy and Slayer is more fitting)

Mine's...around 75%.

30%

 

[CharacterCrisisKing]

30%

Rude.
At least 9000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

I have a huge gut feeling that KOS-MOS is going to finish off the pass and I'm not really sure why. I know basically nothing about her except she looks dope as ****.

KOS-MOS looks rad and if 2B (Which I think is likely, considering Sakurai loves Automata and we all know how Joker got in) can't get in, I'd love to have KOS-MOS in her spot.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

Rude.
At least 9000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%.

Okay, okay....45%

 

[Icedragonadam]

Enough of leak talk:

Zelda and Meta Knight still haven't received any buffs!

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Seeing the love, passion, admiration and respect Sakurai holds for the King of Fighters and Terry I sort of hope that Terry could also return in another future installment of Super Smash.

 

[Flik]

So I have another game, it’s a little more complex then my other ones but I think you guys can follow it:
You guys know how pretty much every Dlc fighter has been very good? If a new dlc fighter got in(it could be anyone you want) why would they be broken?(or at least high tier)
I’ll start, Doomslayer would be good because he would be very fast and his moves would hit like trucks, plus his guns give him good range.

Miriam (Bloodstained) using invert would basically give her infinite recovery: Activates Invert -> Falls towards the sky -> de-activates Invert -> falls normally -> rinse and repeat. It would also allow her to walk under the stage upside down.

 

[Wigglerman]

Miriam (Bloodstained) using invert would basically give her infinite recovery: Activates Invert -> Falls towards the sky -> de-activates Invert -> falls normally -> rinse and repeat. It would also allow her to walk under the stage upside down.

They'd nerf the heck out of that. You'd be hard limited to one full flip cycle per jump if the mechanic even got implemented in the first place. Luckily mos tstages people play on wouldn't have much area, if any at all, for her to walk on under neath, assuming the game is programmed to even be 'walkable' on the under side of the stages.

 

[SNEKeater]

Seeing the love, passion, admiration and respect Sakurai holds for the King of Fighters and Terry I sort of hope that Terry could also return in another future installment of Super Smash.

Honestly I think that's likely. SNK seemed to be very open with Nintendo and Sakurai with all the content, so I think they would be totally okay with Terry returning.

 

[Deleted member]

The Game Awards take place on December 12th. I know everyone's expecting the next Smash reveal there, but what if, instead, the next Smash reveal was the week before since it would mark the 1 Year Anniversary of Ultimate's release?

 

[Deleted member]

I give Doomguy pretty low chances of being F5 or first post season character. I believe best chance for him would be a dual reveal at E3 or dual reveal with first S2 character.

 

[Graizen]

I have to praise how long you've been on that wagon, bro! I REALLY don't think he's got a chance, but I'll send positive towards towards that happening because of how happy it'd make you.

I appreciate that!
But it's not just me alone supporting the character.

 

[CharacterCrisisKing]

why agumon?

 

[KillerCage]

doooooooom

Doot.

 

[volbound1700]

"Despite me crapping on his entire legacy and claiming I know he isn't an icon, I swear I'm still so excited for him and am not just saying that to fool people into thinking I'm not being a bigger snob than I actually am."

Seriously, dude. You're contributing nothing here. This is a speculation thread, not a "judge characters that have already made it" one. Especially when this is the umpteenth time most of the people here have had to explain why Terry is as big as he is.

Butthurt much?

 

[Door Key Pig]

I give Doomguy pretty low chances of being F5 or first post season character. I believe best chance for him would be a dual reveal at E3 or dual reveal with first S2 character.

Maybe a dual reveal with a more Japanese-friendly character ala Hero/Banjo?

 

[Wigglerman]

why agumon?

Bamco rep whos series has become more and more successful over the years. A lot of support has grown also due to how well the Complete Edition of Cyber Slueth has been on Switch and the future potential of the series with Digimon Survive next year (While not Switch exclusive, just being on the Switch means the franchise could have a cozy new home on Switch where it seems to be thriving more than it was on Sony systems prior).

Plus the idea of having the old rivals of Pokemon vs Digimon is a dream for some.

 

[DevaAshera]

Lol they really left out Mai Shiranui because of all the good little boys and girls.

Yup, mostly due to her sexual design for the most part.

Most likely the ESRB’s fault, they probably would have changed the rating just for Mai just like they forced Nintendo to remove Tharja's trophy in Smash 4.

They seem to really wanna keep that E10+ rating after Melee and Brawl got T.

There go my chances of ever seeing Chun-Li vs Mai in Smash though....

I blame Cero actually, since the ratings board there seems to be simultaneously more and less strict..its kinda weird..

A shame that Mai wasn't included. I get why... but they could've had her design from Fatal Fury 3, which is more conservative than her King of Fighters design, and could've been toned down a bit more if necessary.

Spoiler: FF3 sprite spoiler-ed just in case

I am surprised that Mai didn't even get to appear as a Spirit Battle considering that there is artwork of her that isn't too sexualized and could be subtly censored like was done with others, such as Fire Emblem Fates' Camilla.

Iori got a mii costume but not Kyo...

I think I'm going to cry.

I feel ya..I don't get to play as even a Mii Fighter Athena Asamiya..least I got her as a cameo and Spirit I guess.

UHHHH OHHHHH

Virtua Fighter Mii Outfits...

There was a leak with that right...?

Does it really seem like something important? These Virtua Fighter costumes are the same ones from Smash Wii U/3DS DLC, its not too surprising that they returned again as DLC.

Did they seriously just condemn Nakoruru to a life of being a Mii Fighter... **** this ****.

Well she was never going to get in over Terry and its unlikely they're going to include another SNK character (and if they did, I'd honestly want Athena Asamiya), so its literally better than nothing..and its only 'life as a Mii Fighter' for this single game..

 

[NoBS]

The Game Awards take place on December 12th. I know everyone's expecting the next Smash reveal there, but what if, instead, the next Smash reveal was the week before since it would mark the 1 Year Anniversary of Ultimate's release?

What? Ultimate came out a day after the game awards.

 

[volbound1700]

Never said I didn't care, I said I didn't see very many options that I cared about, different thing entirely. There are MANY female characters I'd love to see in Smash, 2B, Morrigan, Chun-Li, Aigis, female Monster Hunter, female Byleth, Jill Valentine, Tifa Lockhart, etc.
I just said that since characters picked are usually main characters and there aren't very many female main characters to choose from that I'd like, its hard for me to pick any.
That said though, even though I primarily play as female characters in just about anything I play, its not so important to me that I'd take just any ol' character just because she was a female, I'd still rather have my favorite series included even if the main character is a male.

If I could, I'd pick all the girls in my signature.


It'd be boring and predictable if Sakurai only chose the most popular and doing so would keep many people from discovering new characters and series that they love.
Also, amongst fans of 90s Fighting games, Terry Bogard, along with Fatal Fury and the King of Fighters, were very well known names. It was the Tekken of its time in that while touching Street Fighter's popularity, it was definitely nothing to scoff at..there's a reason there were multiple Capcom vs SNK and SNK vs Capcom games being made back then.

As for Joker, he's definitely popular and iconic..I mean, everyone knew about Persona 5 and it was in the running for Game of the Year in various Video Game Awards for the year in which it released. Outside of characters like Cloud & Sora, Joker is probably one of the most popular and requested RPG characters for Smash.

While the name Super Smash Bros. was likely chosen to parody Super Mario Bros, and thus be obviously Nintendo, to say that the majority of the case is based on Platforming series is just wrong..
64: 6/12
Melee: 9/25
Brawl: 13/35
for 3DS/Wii U: 18/56
Ultimate: 24/79
The game isn't meant to only be characters styled similar to Super Mario characters either and has featured characters outside of that style ever since the beginning (such as Link, Samus, and Capt. Falcon). The series is meant to Celebrate Video Game History and all the different genres and art styles featured there-in.

Yes, yes it has.
SNK was pretty much Capcom's first rival in the Fighting Game Arena. He can mention Mortal Kombat, but that never quite caught on in Japan..they'd be pretty much acting about any Mortal Kombat character the exact same way he's acting about Terry.

Not really, he's still including Popular, Iconic, and/or Historically Important characters.

Last time I checked, Link, Samus, and others were platformers.

Smash 64 Platform characters:

1. Mario
2. Link
3. Luigi
4. Kirby
5. Donkey Kong
6. Yoshi
7. Samus

 

[DevaAshera]

What? Ultimate came out a day after the game awards.

Yup, I was literally waiting to pick up Super Smash Bros. Ultimate at Midnight while watching the Video Game Awards.
Joker was announced as our first paid DLC character literally half an hour before the game released.

Last time I checked, Link, Samus, and others were platformers.

Smash 64 Platform characters:

1. Mario
2. Link
3. Luigi
4. Kirby
5. Donkey Kong
6. Yoshi
7. Samus

The Legend of Zelda isn't a platformer, its an action-adventure game. The only game that could be considered a platformer is Zelda II and some portions of Link's Awakening and the Oracles games (and 2 of the 3 officially ignored CD-I games)..and none of the Links featured in the Super Smash Bros. series hails from those games.

 

[PLATINUM7]

What? Ultimate came out a day after the game awards.

The Game Awards is taking place on a different date this year.

EDIT: Also if you were in a cool timezone like me, Smash came out before the Game Awards started

 

[volbound1700]

You can't honestly be saying Smash should only go for the most popular series and then ask for Rayman. Seems to me like you're just not into fighting games. Which is fine! But there's more to gaming than platformers. If you wanna represent fighting games, you gotta have SNK. Is it more iconic, or arguably deserving, than juggernauts like Tekken or MK? No. But you're the only one who cares about having them in order. As long as we get Scorpion and Heihachi down the line, I don't see an issue.

I am just arguing that SNK is obscure. Someone challenged me on it and I defended myself. <content redacted>

BTW, you guys act like I don't know video games. Look at my join date:

August 2, 2007

Look at my number of messages.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Did they seriously just condemn Nakoruru to a life of being a Mii Fighter... **** this ****.

Or you could be Kyo, where Sakurai gives a brief summary on you despite being the main protagonist, roasts you, and doesnt even make you a Mii Costume

 

[Deleted member]

Butthurt much?

Dude, at some point its better just to stop. This is getting repetitive and annoying.

Maybe a dual reveal with a more Japanese-friendly character ala Hero/Banjo?

Pretty much is what I'm thinking if he is in.

Yup, mostly due to her sexual design for the most part.

I blame Cero actually, since the ratings board there seems to be simultaneously more and less strict..its kinda weird..

I am surprised that Mai didn't even get to appear as a Spirit Battle considering that there is artwork of her that isn't too sexualized and could be subtly censored like was done with others, such as Fire Emblem Fates' Camilla.


I feel ya..I don't get to play as even a Mii Fighter Athena Asamiya..least I got her as a cameo and Spirit I guess.

Does it really seem like something important? These Virtua Fighter costumes are the same ones from Smash Wii U/3DS DLC, its not too surprising that they returned again as DLC.

Well she was never going to get in over Terry and its unlikely they're going to include another SNK character (and if they did, I'd honestly want Athena Asamiya), so its literally better than nothing..and its only 'life as a Mii Fighter' for this single game..

Wonder if the mere presence of her in that attire would trigger CERO.

 

[Deleted member]

BTW, you guys act like I don't know video games. Look at my join date:

August 2, 2007

Look at my number of messages.

Mate there's a difference between knowing games and being stubborn to accept when your arguments are not good.

Join date of 2018. Go away newb.

You guys started it. Anyone that disagrees with your sheepish ideas is attacked on here.

So your reply is pretty much an insult, how mature.

 

[Zinith]

I think the person claiming video game credentials by join date on Smashboards might not be worth talking to

 

[volbound1700]

Mate there's a difference between knowing games and being stubborn to accept when your arguments are not good.

Even Sakurai in his DIRECT acknowledged that SNK is obscure. Let that sink in!!! How are my arguments wrong? It is the classic sheep attitude of young people today. Let's all be wrong together and since there are a bunch of us we must be correct.

Honestly, I trust Sakurai and appreciate him that Terry is a good character. I haven't tried him yet. Watching show with my wife while my Switch is downloading the DLC.

I will just stop posting on here. You guys are too immature to even have a conversation with and I am just making trouble for the mods by posting here. I will save them the trouble of disciplining us all and step out.

 

[ArchRanger]

why agumon?

Digimon is a huge franchise for Bandai (not as large as Tales Of or Tekken though), would have a really unique kit and interesting mechanics via Digivolving, would represent virtual pet devices, and would finally give us 90's kids the ability to finally play out the ----mon wars between Digimon and Pokemon. Digimon games have recently making a comeback with great story writing (via Cyber Slueth), polishing gameplay of old games (via New Order), and branching out into new genres (via Survive [coming out next year]) while Pokemon has been slowly stagnating due to Gamefreak's neglect or lack of interest in pushing the boundaries in favor of releasing annual sets.

While I believe that Tales Of deserves a spot on the roster first and foremost (due to being one of the big three JRPGs) and Tekken getting some type of rep, whether fighter or Mii costume, Digimon has enough going for it and merit/legacy to earn a spot on the SSBU roster. Looking at gameplay wise, Agumon would be a pretty unique and fun fighter too.

 

[Deleted member]

Even Sakurai in his DIRECT acknowledged that SNK is obscure. Let that sink in!!! How are my arguments wrong? It is the classic sheep attitude of young people today. Let's all be wrong together and since there are a bunch of us we must be correct.

Honestly, I trust Sakurai and appreciate him that Terry is a good character. I haven't tried him yet. Watching show with my wife while my Switch is downloading the DLC.

I will just stop posting on here. You guys are too immature to even have a conversation with and I am just making trouble for the mods by posting here. I will save them the trouble of disciplining us all and step out.

I appreciate the irony of the post.

 

[NoBS]

I am just arguing that SNK is obscure. Someone challenged me on it and I defended myself. Man you guys are dickless assholes. This is why I don't post on here. I wish I could meet you losers in real life. You wouldn't dare spit the **** you do at me internet tough guys.

There’s a bunch of less than pleasant people here so I’m not defending them but snk is not that obscure, most people grew up playing metal slug, if you were into fighting games you knew about all their fighters and if you weren’t then you didn’t, like it is with most fighting games. Obscurity is not objective here though, if you were into fighting games you definitely know them. If you’re in japan you probably give two ****s about rayman. Depends on what metric you’re trying to play with.