Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Davidius]

Seems like nobody has reported this yet, but Vergeben managed to come out victorious by leaking the Mii Costumes little time before they popped-up:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/78333254?page=21#219

I was hoping for an end to leaker driven speculation but here we go again.

 

[Thermithral]

I will say though, Byleth was at one point the final character for Ultimate. If you ever needed proof that Sakurai doesn't care about ending on a high note...

Depends on what you cal la high note I suppose. Ending on a Nintendo character from one of the best Switch games I played is a pretty high note I think.

On another note, if the second pass brings stages too, I hope they dont do what they did in Smash Wii U and have a seperate tab for the dlc stages. Though, Im not sure how they could fit anymore on the screen as is.

 

[Luigi-Calibur]

Those are the same people who praise Sakurai, but only when it's something they like.

Smash fanbase sucks, lol.

Fire emblem fanbase sucks

 

[staindgrey]

I know the Byleth reveal was disappointing. I had no expectation at all, I knew YET another Fire Emblem character was coming (even though, Fire Emblem has like 100 fighters already)

They have eight.

Out of 86.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Here's a meme after Byleth was revealed:
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Time to start making some Advance Wars games so that series can start getting some reps in Smash. I expect both Andy and Sami at a minimum.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

My fighters pass take: Still pretty solid, I liked three of the five (meh on Terry, no on FE). But I kind of think of it this way. If I had waited and hadn’t bought the fighters pass this one would have been the only one I wouldn’t have bought, but buying four separate is the same price as the pass. So I guess it is kind of a free character to me in a way.

 

[IanTheGamer]

They have eight.

Out of 86.

Maybe I was exaggerating a bit, but still you get my point

 

[What? 3:16]

What?

What?

What?

What?

Byleth is the 5th fighter?

Byleth was declared the final pick?

Masahiro Sakurai and Nintendo screw Stone Cold?

Masahiro and Nintendo screw Stone Cold?

 

[DevaAshera]

There are other Zelda characters besides Link, Zelda and Ganon that could’ve been used, but that was just an example.

Too many FE characters.

Other series exist too.

It’s obvious FE has special treatment.

You really don’t think there aren’t too many FE characters?

1) And all of them are one off characters, which would ironically make us have the same problem people are complaining about with Fire Emblem. The thing here is its even more "unnecessary" because they would all be side characters while Fire Emblem's are all main characters..and I'm saying this as someone who's most wanted Echo Fighter is Princess Hilda (she's listed last only because of how unlikely she is). They COULD add Impa, which I'm surprised they haven't, since she'd be an easy Echo off of Sheik.
2) Maybe, but that's subjective and I don't care.
3) They do, but I'm either fine with who we have, they are also wants of mine but lesser so, or I just don't care about them. Like I said, subjective.
4) Maybe, but I think its just because Fire Emblem has become one of Nintendo's best selling series now.
5) No, not really. Granted, Fire Emblem is my favorite series overall..and I kind of see Roy, Lucina, and Chrom as merely extensions off of Marth..I mean, the latter two can be stacked on Marth & Roy, artificially lowering the FE series count from 8 to 6..that and, like I've said, half of them would likely have been dropped had Ultimate not gone with an 'Everyone Is Here' thing

F!Byleth is ****ing gorgeous, yo. Like, she was hot in Three Houses but DAMN!

Indeed..and I'm so calling the Edelgard colour as the lesbian love child of her and Edelgard lol They were my OTP in the game..or just Edeleth since it sounds a lot better than Bygard..

While I don’t think how many characters a series has matters, I don’t understand why people don’t realize Zelda has a rotating cast of important characters as well outside of the triforce wielders (not counting reincarnation). There was Skull Kid in MM, whom was also a side-character in OoT and (probably) TP; Midna in TP, whom was basically a protagonist alongside Link; and I’m sure there are others with similar importance in their games or at least have some bigger role than most side-characters.

Sure, you could say Zelda only “needs” the triforce wielders, but they’re not the only part of the games, and we could argue Mario doesn’t need a few of his series’ characters in Smash (like Rosalina).

There are important characters that rotate between Zelda games, but the main characters are ALWAYS Link, almost always Zelda, and usually Ganon/Ganondorf. Skull Kid was only important in Majora's Mask, Midna was only in Twilight Princess, etc. If we included new one-offs from Zelda, we'd run into the exact same problem Fire Emblem is in right now, only less necessary because the main characters are still Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf. The only recurring characters they could really add for Zelda are Impa, Ganon (Beast/Pig), and Tingle. Everyone else appears for maybe 1 or 2 games and than is gone, as opposed to Mario where every character reappears frequently, at the very least in regular spin-off titles.

Don't get me wrong, I love Zelda's one-offs like Urbosa and Midna..but they aren't relevant shortly after release and would almost definitely be dropped by the next game (Sheik has only stuck around this long due to being tied to Zelda until Smash 4 and now being a legacy character).
I have this fear with Fire Emblem characters constantly. I was certain that Lucina wouldn't make it into another game and fearing for Corrin to be dropped as well..and, well, I'd rather not have this nagging fear added to another of my favorite series, Zelda..it was bad enough seeing Young Link replaced by Toon Link between Melee & Brawl.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I will say though, Byleth was at one point the final character for Ultimate. If you ever needed proof that Sakurai doesn't care about ending on a high note...

In a slightly different alternate timeline Smash ultimate would have ended with Brawl taunts.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Does anyone know how to pour a bucket of water on the internet? I just don't want it to die of hypernatrimia.

 

[N3ON]

I'm not psyched about Byleth, and I watched most of the presentation like (except for the sword-fighter remark, which made me go . Also Cuphead), but like I've said forever and ever already, those who share my sentiment need not buy the character. That is the benefit of having optional characters.

There's already like eighty characters on the roster, and six more coming. Not everyone is gonna be a winner for everybody. I already got the character I wanted. Hopefully, with the seventeen newcomers so far, there's at least someone for everyone.

And yeah there's a ****ton of FE characters. Too many, I'd say. Not that there aren't viable options, but other, less populated, comparably prevalent series have a bunch of viable options too. But my say doesn't really matter. All I can do is choose whether to increase that FE count by one on my copy of Ultimate. So far I'm undecided. I would've been quicker to buy Edelgard, though I never actually thought it'd be her anyway. :/

 

[staindgrey]

Maybe I was exaggerating a bit, but still you get my point

Yeah but it's an exaggerated point that's starting to be a pain in the neck.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Fixed that for you.

Sssshhhh... she’s coming. I can just taste it.

 

[Thewafflemaker2000]

Is amybody else mildly annoyed that Ubisoft has quiet a bit of content in this game but no actual playable rep? What's up with that?

There gonna have their time...

 

[ThatOneAnon]

This was a pick made specifically out of spite.
Too many things point to it.
I mean I'm really happy about it cause I loved 3H, but from that reveal trailer to the way Sakurai acted in the presentation, he knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[Tako Tuesday]

I wish I bought this up when I thought of it, but I kid you not, just a couple days ago I imagined a Cuphead Mii Gunner costume like Sans thinking it would be a cool addition. His finger could just be the gun, and it would work perfectly.

Crazy that it's actually a thing, and I'm not sure I can say I "called it" as it was more of a hopeful idea than a prediction.

 

[Souless_shadow]

I still think the crowning moment of today was the "too many swordsmen" joke during the trailer. That had me absolutely cackling.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly, though I'll still need to actually play Byleth, their overall content makes them Joker tier at worst, only dud of this pass in Banjo if you ask me

 

[Mamboo07]

I swear my favorite part about Byleth's trailer was the jab at "too many swordfighters".^-^

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

While I don’t think how many characters a series has matters, I don’t understand why people don’t realize Zelda has a rotating cast of important characters as well outside of the triforce wielders (not counting reincarnation). There was Skull Kid in MM, whom was also a side-character in OoT and (probably) TP; Midna in TP, whom was basically a protagonist alongside Link; and I’m sure there are others with similar importance in their games or at least have some bigger role than most side-characters.

Sure, you could say Zelda only “needs” the triforce wielders, but they’re not the only part of the games, and we could argue Mario doesn’t need a few of his series’ characters in Smash (like Rosalina).

That's no less true, but there's a clear focus on the "main" characters, who are all Triforce wielders.

Why it is that way, I dunno. I mean, it works.

Keep in mind Pig Ganon isn't even my most wanted. Tingle is. I'd expect Pig Ganon first, though.

Skull Kid isn't nearly as recurring as Pig Ganon, Tingle, or Impa. He's a 2-game wonder more or less(since OOT and MM are part of the same story) in general, so barely counts as recurring. There's many who show up far more, races too of course like Zoras/Gorons/etc. He's the only one outside of the other 3 mentioned that is recurring, mind you. Even then, they could just as easily justify a unique race too, as shown with PP. It's also possible Skull Kid didn't have a moveset Sakurai could envision(and considering we have yet to see the original Pig Ganon designs in Smash, he probably isn't looking at that one anyway).

In Midna's case, might be moveset-related issues he can't figure out, basically. Another thing is he does heavily find other ways to represent Zelda beyond some characters. Only Mario and Pokemon come close to that kind of non-character representation, too. So the franchise does seem to be in a different situation. I wish he'd comment on why some were overlooked. Timing doesn't seem to be an issue, either. I mean, even Brawl wasn't just "updating to new looks", as Toon Link came out(he did use Young Link to help make the character, though, but that was the best option anyway).

 

[slrigeigdew]

People saying we're living in the worst timeline seem to forget that there originally wasn't gonna be any extra challenger packs . The fighter pass was the only DLC initially planned from the start.

We narrowly avoided a future where Byleth was the final newcomer period.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Monokuma Mii Costume with an original Danganronpa Medley featuring music from all DR games when

never thought I’d be hyped for Mii costumes but this is one I would SO be hype for

that, and Gunvolt and Copen from the Gunvolt series - Gunvolt with the Eternal Blue song, and Copen with the Luminous Avenger iX version of Igniter (seriously that version SLAPS)

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Honestly, though I'll still need to actually play Byleth, their overall content makes them Joker tier at worst, only dud of this pass in Banjo if you ask me

Same. Even though I liked the character beforehand and thought he was the best choice from his origin game, I'm not quite sold on his implementation on paper. I'll need to see it in practice.

EDIT: Well...His Up Special is really cool.

 

[Gimmick-Hater]

I feel like the Smash community is the one community where you can't be dissapointed in something without being called a baby, or, "hoes mad." It's almost like you're suppose to praise everything Sakurai does. Like, a lot of people are even't upset. Just not impressed, but they seemed to get groupred with the loud minority of toxic Smashers. Also, I wasn't personally impressed by Sakurai's lamp shading.

 

[Cosmic77]

*They played an ad for Three Houses DLC right after the reveal.

*Sword and Shield is getting DLC June and this fall.

Maybe, just maybe...

 

[Kokiden]

Well of course people are going to be super biased when it’s for something they like, and say whatever they can to justify things even if it’s ridiculous. Even more so when they can’t even see the other side...

Can’t say I’m surprised at all.

Fighters pass was great with the exception of Byleth because we got new characters and series for a change.

That’s all I’ll say about this seasons fighters pass.

4/5.

 

[I.D.]

Sssshhhh... she’s coming. I can just taste it.

You are not getting any Xenoblade character lol

 

[Thewafflemaker2000]

Always expect the least exciting characters to be revealed last

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Can we talk about the cut back to Sakurai putting up the byleth poster and how great that was

 

[Rie Sonomura]

*They played an ad for Three Houses DLC right after the reveal.

*Sword and Shield is getting DLC June and this fall.

Maybe, just maybe...

Splatoon 2 is getting another update in April... what if...

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

http://itest.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1579010436/831

I was too lazy to translate this before the direct but this supposed leak somewhat was right. It's not saying much tho.

FP1 was supposed be Hero / Terry / Banjo / Hayabusa / Joker.
After FP1's reveal, Nintendo noticed that Hayabusa got leaked but FP2 was decided fairly soon after Ultimates' release, they decided to move Hayabusa into FP2. This was also because they wanted to keep pace with Koei Tecmo's Ninja Gaiden project development.
FP2 was decided before E3, but the lineup was finalized in the summer after E3.
FP3 is already has been decided and they are still under negotiations.
The character revealed tomorrow is someone from Nintendo who was supposed to be in FP2.

 

[N3ON]

Can we talk about the cut back to Sakurai putting up the byleth poster and how great that was

But the male Byleth poster was uneven with the other two and my ADHD was having none of it that entire presentation.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Also I love how boomer Smash fans throw a fit about characters having gimmicks since Smash 4 but Byleth is oddly enough the only DLC character without any gimmicks whatsoever, like how Corrin was the only 4 DLC newcomer without a gimmick. I love gimmicky **** when it works but it's full circle huh

 

[AceAttorney9000]

So, my thoughts on the presentation...

• ... so Fighter 5 is Byleth from Three Houses. I'm fairly neutral on this right now, though that may change once the character's out. Still, this Fighters Pass was intended to be all there was for Ultimate DLC, so... hoo boy, imagine the reaction if this was literally the last character for the game.
• I'm not very familiar with the Fire Emblem series in general or Three Houses in particular, but just from this presentation... Byleth looks pretty fun in terms of gameplay. It helps that they decided to give the character multiple weapons, which already makes them the most unique Fire Emblem character in Smash... even if it's sad that it took Sakurai and the developers eight characters to implement this aspect from the series.
• Also, Byleth has male and female alts... so would they count as a female DLC character?
• Also also, Byleth is a first party character... so can we please just stop complaining about first party characters getting the shaft whenever a third party character like Terry comes along?
• Also also also, this is the first time we've had a fighter presentation that wasn't accompanied by a shadowdrop, or at least the fighter in question releasing shortly after. I guess this means we shouldn't always expect shadowdrops for every presentation, unless this ends up being an exception.
• To be honest, I was really on edge with the Mii Fighter costumes, but thankfully, it wasn't a bloodbath like I was expecting (just imagine if the Geno costume ended up returning here). In fact, I'd say there were some pleasant surprises...
  • While Assassin's Creed content in Smash isn't surprising, I am surprised that they gave us a Mii Fighter costume before anything else... and it's based on Altair, the protagonist of the first game, as opposed to Ezio or Edward Kenway. It's weird that they labeled it as from the "Altair" series, though. Were there rights issues with using the Assassin's Creed title?
  • While I expected the X and MegaMan.EXE costumes to return eventually, I'm surprised they came back with Byleth. If anything, I would've expected Byleth to come with the Monster Hunter costumes, with the Mega Man ones saved for someone like Geno or Phoenix Wright.
  • Cuphead is the big highlight here. Not only is it a great looking costume, it's coming with a music track just like Sans.
  • The biggest downside to these costumes is that... well, these costumes have little to do with Byleth (unless they're meant as subtle references to stuff in Three Houses, which, again, I haven't played)... which in turn means that Banjo and his unrelated Mii Fighter costumes are no longer an outlier. Those absent Mii Fighter costumes that fans are hoping become playable (Geno, Heihachi, Lloyd, Monster Hunter) can now show up at any time with any character.
• So we got some details about the next wave of DLC characters... and while I was right about there being another Fighters Pass, I didn't expect it to have six characters this time. Sakurai also didn't say what the characters will be coming with (stages, music, and spirits), so maybe this time it will be different? I already can't wait for the February Direct...

Overall, good presentation. Not the character I wanted or expected, but Sakurai did good with this one regardless. Looking forward to trying out Byleth when they come out, and as always, there's Fighters Pass 2 for the ones who haven't made it yet.

 

[AreJay25]

People saying we're living in the worst timeline seem to forget that there originally wasn't gonna be any extra challenger packs . The fighter pass was the only DLC initially planned from the start.

We narrowly avoided a future where Byleth was the final newcomer period.

That's honestly the one silver lining I think we can all agree on.

If you think the response right now is bad, it would have been NUCLEAR if Byleth really did end up being the last character.

 

[Luigi-Calibur]

Even the DLC trailer for Three Houses is being disliked bombed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5USF9-BtoY&t=0s
Within the span of 35 minutes Three Houses went from being one of the most loved games of 2019 to now one of the most hated.

NICE

 

[Hadokeyblade]

People saying we're living in the worst timeline seem to forget that there originally wasn't gonna be any extra challenger packs . The fighter pass was the only DLC initially planned from the start.

We narrowly avoided a future where Byleth was the final newcomer period.

I want to look at that timeline for a second just to see the salt.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

Welp my reaction time is over for now.

I'm happy regardless for this nice break and was nice to see some logical views........
As for those still angry and trolling......Just move on and do something else. You should have something more important to do.
I'll visit later guys and also pretty sorry to hear about Lesley deleting her account. Hope it's nothing and she visits again.

 

[Deleted member]

While I don’t think how many characters a series has matters, I don’t understand why people don’t realize Zelda has a rotating cast of important characters as well outside of the triforce wielders (not counting reincarnation). There was Skull Kid in MM, whom was also a side-character in OoT and (probably) TP; Midna in TP, whom was basically a protagonist alongside Link; and I’m sure there are others with similar importance in their games or at least have some bigger role than most side-characters.

Sure, you could say Zelda only “needs” the triforce wielders, but they’re not the only part of the games, and we could argue Mario doesn’t need a few of his series’ characters in Smash (like Rosalina).

Rosalina is a regular since her introduction, which is more you could say about Skull Kid or Midna.

It would be nice to have more Zelda characters, but is also understandable why they are not a priority since a lot of major characters have prominence in one title only to disappear or being relegated to a minor part in the next games. Only one that kinda breaks this is Impa and she just changes role drastically along with appearance.