Newbie Mafia 12 FMP Fumoffu!: Game over!

[ranmaru]

what does it specifically pertain to though?

It means circular logic. Basically "Well I think he's scum, but he wouldn't say that as scum, so he must be town! Although, he'd want me to think that, so he HAS to be scum, so he's probably not town"

Or saying "He's sorta kinda town, but maybe scum as well."

It leads us into circles and doesn't solve anything.

 

[JTB]

@Soup, The only reason I did was because Kuz brought up that he should be doc protected. I kept quiet about it at first because I knew the WIFOM that it would cause and was giving the doc the benefit of the doubt that he would see my soft claims and target me. I know people have a strong town read on Kuz and that people thought I was scum toDay, so I had to say something.

Kuz, is it truly anti-town to keep your true hand hidden? I remember you arguing with X1 that it isn't

 

[Blacknight99923]

ah thank you. I have never heard that expression before.

to be honest JTBs recent posts bug me though.

 

[ranmaru]

X1, words of advice to the newbs?

Also what are your stances before you go?

Any last words? Places you wish you had went to, buffets you would hit up, etc.

Quoting this for emphasis

 

[Seikend]

@Seikend
you're not giving scum clues at all if you're not outting names, seikend, you are just telling possible roles what to do, and what is the best play at the moment.

why does it even matter?

Convince the PRs what to do, make it obvious who the PRs intend to target.

Don't give scum ideas.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Kuz, is it truly anti-town to keep your true hand hidden? I remember you arguing with X1 that it isn't

Again, not what I am getting at in the slightest.

@Seikend: We are giving them pools of players. Not specific ones.

 

[X1-12]

1st rule of being a cop. COP WHOEVER DOESNT WANT TO BE COPPED

@ran. Jtb is town, tery is town. Kuz is scum. The rest are fuzzy

 

[ranmaru]

Again, not what I am getting at in the slightest.

@Seikend: We are giving them pools of players. Not specific ones.
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How does that differ from what you said before?

I disagree with giving pools of players right now. Don't want to give scum ideas.

Remember everyone, scum will kill:

Someone to frame a person
a person with the least connections
Someone to wifom the town

Remember that scum will keep the suspicious people alive so that they have someone to blame afterwards.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@X1: I can prove I'm town toMorrow. Is that hard for you to understand?

COPPING ME WOULD BE A WASTE OF TIME. WE NEED THIS VALUABLE NIGHT TO GET A READ ON ONE OF THE QUESTIONABLE PLAYERS.

@Ranmaru: Its not the same art all

Remember that scum will keep the suspicious people alive so that they have someone to blame afterwards.

No **** sherlock.

@PRS: Seriously.

 

[Blacknight99923]

1st rule of being a cop. COP WHOEVER DOESNT WANT TO BE COPPED

@ran. Jtb is town, tery is town. Kuz is scum. The rest are fuzzy

And you yourself said early that at tery about him trying to get me copped under the belief I was godfather.
If thats the case then isn't your logic a bit flawed?

 

[ranmaru]

1st rule of being a cop. COP WHOEVER DOESNT WANT TO BE COPPED

@ran. Jtb is town, tery is town. Kuz is scum. The rest are fuzzy

Kk, thank you. I will keep these in mind.

 

[th3kuzinator]

X1 is just stuck on me being scum so he can't even see what's going on.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And @X1's bolded. Thats just plain bull****.

 

[ranmaru]

How is it bull****?

Also, is he wrong to be stuck on you? Explain why.

 

[JTB]

Oh, it isn't kuz?

This is honestly one of the stupidest things I've ever read. You just said you had a town read on me and now all of a sudden I am guaranteed scum upon a X1town flip (I never said you are guaranteed scum on a townX1 flip, I said it's a strong possibility). Wake up. You know I only focused on the main points of interest for claims toDay(Tery and myself weren't the main points of interest until we started posting). AA and X1 were bound to claim eventually toDay and I wanted you to claim because your blatant slip toDay (False, you begun by asking me if I was adverse to claiming, meaning you wanted me to claim if I were to comply). And I love how you assume I was going to push Tery into claiming (You jumped off the Tery wagon as soon as you saw that it wasn't going to get support)

 

[Blacknight99923]

And you yourself said early that at tery about him trying to get me copped under the belief I was godfather.
If thats the case then isn't your logic a bit flawed?

what I mean is you made a rhetorical statement that tery was trying to get me copped under the belief I was godfather and that tery and I were scumates. If scum has a godfather its not unreasonable to assume they would want to be copped by this logic.

 

[Blacknight99923]

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my above post was really stupid, and sorta contradicted my previous post.

My point is someone could be godfather, and therefore copping them doesn't always prove anything.

 

[ranmaru]

Soren:

1st. Goons might not want to be copped still.
2nd. In the case of a godfather, you'll have to lynch them solely on their in-game actions. Or if they got tracked.

So if you have someone really willing to get copped, might be gf.

 

[Blacknight99923]

thats true

also couldn't someone want to say they want to be copped for reverse pschcology?
I mean saying you don't want to be copped doesn't make alot of sense as scum because then people think you look scummy, therefore you say you want to be copped or are not opposed to it.

Kuz could be saying he wants to be copped so people do the oppisite.

I believe this is a potential example of wifom if I understand the term right. To me you should cop whoevers flip makes the most sense.

 

[JTB]

Kuz is not a godfather. If he was, he would've been open to the possibility of himself being copped but he's shown that he strongly adverse to it.

 

[Blacknight99923]

I don't see how its most beneficial for town atm


it would depend on X1 lynch. If X1 flips scum it doesn't make a lot of sense to cop kuz
if he flips town it makes sense to cop Kuz AA and me

 

[X1-12]

its still worth copping, and any results should be factored in to your decisions. Cop results should probably be quite a large factor

 

[ranmaru]

I don't see how its most beneficial for town atm


it would depend on X1 lynch. If X1 flips scum it doesn't make a lot of sense to cop kuz
if he flips town it makes sense to cop Kuz AA and me

In the bold, why is that?

 

[ranmaru]

Also if X1 flipped scum, would you be willing to submit yourself to a cop investigation, Soren?

 

[Blacknight99923]

it seems like an incredibly stupid idea because no one has been more anxious to lynch him then me.

 

[Blacknight99923]

its also not my jurisdiction as to who gets copped, "allowing" myself to get copped isn't really my decision LOL

 

[th3kuzinator]

This is honestly one of the stupidest things I've ever read. You just said you had a town read on me and now all of a sudden I am guaranteed scum upon a X1town flip (I never said you are guaranteed scum on a townX1 flip, I said it's a strong possibility). Wake up. You know I only focused on the main points of interest for claims toDay(Tery and myself weren't the main points of interest until we started posting). AA and X1 were bound to claim eventually toDay and I wanted you to claim because your blatant slip toDay (False, you begun by asking me if I was adverse to claiming, meaning you wanted me to claim if I were to comply). And I love how you assume I was going to push Tery into claiming (You jumped off the Tery wagon as soon as you saw that it wasn't going to get support)

@First: But I asked you previously whether my town read depended on X1's flip and you said "No I have a town read on you in general despite what X1 flips." Why say that when you are basing my alignment off his flip?

@Second: Actually, you were at some point. I also backed off asking once others said they didn't want it.

@Third: No, you only assume that. If you didn't slip and just blatantly say you would be okay or wouldn't be, I wouldn't have pressured you to. It was the inconsistency I picked up on.

@Fourth: No. I saw your point and I agreed. Holy ****, so scummy.

 

[ranmaru]

I don't see how its most beneficial for town atm


it would depend on X1 lynch. If X1 flips scum it doesn't make a lot of sense to cop kuz
if he flips town it makes sense to cop Kuz AA and me

It's not? But here you suggested who would make sense to cop. I thought you would be fine with that.

 

[th3kuzinator]

How is it bull****?

Also, is he wrong to be stuck on you? Explain why.

I already explained why its a waste of time.

He shouldn't be, but his head is in the clouds for some reason.

 

[Blacknight99923]

There isn't a contridiction in my posts Ran.
I already explained it.

 

[ranmaru]

Ok, I'll word it like this.

Would it make sense to cop you if X1 flips scum? Why or why not?

 

[Blacknight99923]

It wouldn't because I have been very vocal about X1 being lynched, to the point Kuz posted a meme and I called him out multpile times for switching when we had the position to hammer him.

I will be willing to link posts if you would like

 

[Blacknight99923]

that being said i'm pretty ****ed if he flips town LOL

 

[JTB]

@First: But I asked you previously whether my town read depended on X1's flip and you said "No I have a town read on you in general despite what X1 flips." Why say that when you are basing my alignment off his flip?

@Second: Actually, you were at some point. I also backed off asking once others said they didn't want it.

@Third: No, you only assume that. If you didn't slip and just blatantly say you would be okay or wouldn't be, I wouldn't have pressured you to. It was the inconsistency I picked up on.

@Fourth: No. I saw your point and I agreed. Holy ****, so scummy.
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1) Did I not mention that I was keeping my true hand hidden? I"m revealing part of my cards here and planning on revealing the rest toMorrow once I have gathered all the information I need.

2) I was NOT a main interest until I started posting, neither was Tery.

3) Bull****. I clearly stated my reasoning as to why I didn't want to claim and you continued to push it. My 'slip' happened because you didn't want to stop rolefishing.

4) I'll give you that, but IGMEOY because you stated you wanted to wagon Tery since the beginning of the Day but quickly switched off of it.

 

[ranmaru]

Kk. What do you think of JTB being copped? Kuz?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@ran

No, its not a good idea, who's to say there isn't more prs? What about the doc? You're Making it easier for scum to target someone who could also be a potential pr.

Jtb had nothing to gain claiming softclaim, literally, this is even more reason why.

Who is to say I'm not a pr? Oh wait, I softclaimed oh no now I'm screwed. >.>

@jtb

Stop being stupid, seriously, you're starting something over doc protection, I mean, really? Explain how this is not a scum move, you want to start wifom, out other potential prs, and mainly just cause uneeded drama for no reason.

Kuz wants protection because he can benefit town, and has benefited town, is It not good to keep peptown players alive?

What have you done? All I remember you doing today is trying to look high and mighty with your supposed softclaim.

And yeah ****ing boohoo, scum wouldn't have gained anything or even cared about you, like I said, its not a protown move AT ALL.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

That wasn't to your cop thing btw, I'm fine with Either.,

 

[JTB]

What has Kuz done to benefit town? Have we gotten a scum flip yet?

 

[ranmaru]

@ran

No, its not a good idea, who's to say there isn't more prs? What about the doc? You're Making it easier for scum to target someone who could also be a potential pr.

Jtb had nothing to gain claiming softclaim, literally, this is even more reason why.

Who is to say I'm not a pr? Oh wait, I softclaimed oh no now I'm screwed. >.>

First bolding, this is wifom. I don't see how it makes it easier for scum to pick a choice now.

Well then you did the very thing JTB did.

It's like this. Pr's should stay quiet to they can survive. vt's should try to draw the nk.

Can you explain why you think JTB is being scummy for asking to get docced?

 

[ranmaru]

How do you guys feel about Fynal being copped?