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Newbie Mafia 12 FMP Fumoffu!: Game over!
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th3kuzinator
Smash Master
@AA: I know you said that you didn't really have any scumpicks but could you give me your thoughts on the people in this pool
JTB/Fynal/Seikend
Everyone else is pretty much town.
JTB/Fynal/Seikend
Everyone else is pretty much town.
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
Oops, forgot to add X1 in there.
Not really general thoughts, as you pretty much have already answered that, but can you try to rank them by scumminess (those 4 ppl)
Not really general thoughts, as you pretty much have already answered that, but can you try to rank them by scumminess (those 4 ppl)
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
@ AA my thoughts aren't so much that your all that scummy, to be honest I was a bit more preoccupied with JTB. However you being lynched does provide a lot of insight into the game and as such I'm not opposed to you being lynched since I never had a town read on you. Kuz's being flippidy floppidy with who to lynch makes me want to just pin someone down. My first lynch pick is X1 but beggars can't be chosers.
Who should die?
X1 lol.
However to be honest a lot of this may change if you get lynched.
Who should die?
X1 lol.
However to be honest a lot of this may change if you get lynched.
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
Vote: asianaussie
asianaussie
Smash Hero
Ranking by scumminess...X1/Seikend/Fynal/JTB
I'll start from the least scummy, since that's how I'm reading people.
JTB is not scummy. Plenty of scumhunting, goes back to find scum, has done plenty since he has become active again, and he started my wagon. Plenty of intent to scumhunt here.
Fynal, I'm not convinced he's scum at all. Again, the only thing that sticks out past the D1 misunderstandings is that he somehow knew about characters being set aside for mafia to claim (now I can quote him if I'm ever grilled on it, lol). This isn't enough to make me toss my town view away. Less towny than JTB because I'm sure JTB is town at this point.
Seikend is here because I have no more reason to find him scummy, but calling him town isn't quite right to me either.
X1 because he's the only one with notable stuff to scum about with. A bunch of reaching stuff ages ago, defence of said reaching stuff...if it were me, I would have acknowledged the mistake and gone on to pick on someone else, like me or Seikend. As it stands, he did 'scumhunt' kuz, but he did it out of self-defence imo. This in itself isn't too odd since he's been a bit patchy when it comes to scumpicks, but it's scummier than anything else from anyone on this list imo
If it matters, lynching X1 would be my choice (if lynching me is really going to help you determine Tery alignment, etc, then alright).
meh
unvote
vote: X1-12
Not like it'll change things, but whatever.
I'll start from the least scummy, since that's how I'm reading people.
JTB is not scummy. Plenty of scumhunting, goes back to find scum, has done plenty since he has become active again, and he started my wagon. Plenty of intent to scumhunt here.
Fynal, I'm not convinced he's scum at all. Again, the only thing that sticks out past the D1 misunderstandings is that he somehow knew about characters being set aside for mafia to claim (now I can quote him if I'm ever grilled on it, lol). This isn't enough to make me toss my town view away. Less towny than JTB because I'm sure JTB is town at this point.
Seikend is here because I have no more reason to find him scummy, but calling him town isn't quite right to me either.
X1 because he's the only one with notable stuff to scum about with. A bunch of reaching stuff ages ago, defence of said reaching stuff...if it were me, I would have acknowledged the mistake and gone on to pick on someone else, like me or Seikend. As it stands, he did 'scumhunt' kuz, but he did it out of self-defence imo. This in itself isn't too odd since he's been a bit patchy when it comes to scumpicks, but it's scummier than anything else from anyone on this list imo
If it matters, lynching X1 would be my choice (if lynching me is really going to help you determine Tery alignment, etc, then alright).
meh
unvote
vote: X1-12
Not like it'll change things, but whatever.
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
ya know Kuz we could lynch X1 RIGHT NOW as of right now.
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
Like seriously I keep rebounding between wagons and can't ****ing decide.
Why is this so hard D:
I now realize I do have significant trouble reading newbies...
Why is this so hard D:
I now realize I do have significant trouble reading newbies...
![Terywj [태리]](/data/avatars/l/71/71007.jpg?1555906021){kind=avatar}
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
And if you hammer, you're going tomorrow.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
Nah, Soren isn't scummy, just overeager and all over the place.
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
Seikend
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th3kuzinator
Smash Master
What is your reasoning behind townJTB and townTery?
Also nullFynal
Also nullFynal
asianaussie
Smash Hero
I would also like to know townTery. The rest I'm ok with. Except the obvious one.
Seikend
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Pretty sure I've explained JTB and Tery before.
A lot of commenting on scummy things from Fynal but he hasn't pushed anything really.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
Before I go (this is more for knowledge's sake), can someone explain exactly why Soup is being read as town? I can see the scumhunting and stuff, but there must be more than that.
Also, Soup is basically kuz's second account in this game, he has not done anything that would displease his master. Is there anything amiss about that?
Also, Soup is basically kuz's second account in this game, he has not done anything that would displease his master. Is there anything amiss about that?
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
Nonono, I didn't mean Soren specifically was going to hammer / if hammered would be lynched. I meant if anyone hammered X1-12, I would take assumptions that they're Mafia.
Also, I can't believe I missed this, but X1-12's vote jump was illegit--opportunistic, I believe the word is? Not sure if using properly, but I think X1-12 may have skimmed my posts, which was why he did the vote on the Soren stuff.
Fynal
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bleh, crapload of work i have to do today because i've been getting almost nothing done trying to play this game and work... will post again before i go to bed if i get the chance
did a quick-ish D2 re-read over the last few days, i think overall i'd prefer an X1 lynch over an AA lynch (both look pretty darn scummy), but i'll take either. For now though, we have a few days left,
unvote;
Vote: X1-12
Also been hmmmming at some of kuz's stuff during re-read, because it seems like kuz takes his meta reads a lot more seriously than his in-game reads, but i don't know how to analyze that.
examples:
-the obvious: his switch from very scum to very town on Ran
-his hardcore TBS town read from IRL meta, which he was reluctant to try to back up
-his questioning soup on soup's kuzshadowing, noting a defensiveness in soup's response, and not looking into it
don't get me wrong, my read on kuz hasn't changed, but i'm finding it harder and harder to accept these reads because he's using meta that i can't see, and using it a lot
did a quick-ish D2 re-read over the last few days, i think overall i'd prefer an X1 lynch over an AA lynch (both look pretty darn scummy), but i'll take either. For now though, we have a few days left,
unvote;
Vote: X1-12
Also been hmmmming at some of kuz's stuff during re-read, because it seems like kuz takes his meta reads a lot more seriously than his in-game reads, but i don't know how to analyze that.
examples:
-the obvious: his switch from very scum to very town on Ran
-his hardcore TBS town read from IRL meta, which he was reluctant to try to back up
-his questioning soup on soup's kuzshadowing, noting a defensiveness in soup's response, and not looking into it
don't get me wrong, my read on kuz hasn't changed, but i'm finding it harder and harder to accept these reads because he's using meta that i can't see, and using it a lot
ranmaru
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I'd rather end it with X1 dead. Didn't you say you were going back to that? What happened?
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
Fynal just hammered? Fynal, did you just hammer? I think Fynal hammered.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
huh
kuz and soup unvoted, I think (soupkuz is their new name, they are never apart in voting)
kuz and soup unvoted, I think (soupkuz is their new name, they are never apart in voting)
asianaussie
Smash Hero
no wait, soup didn't unvote
he would have if he were around though
he would have if he were around though
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
Maybe hardcore was an overstatement but he's still a big town read. I don't expect you 100% trust my read and I would be happy to hear what you have to say wrt scumTBS if you want to bring it up. It's your job to call out questionable things (and say why they are questionable), not mine to preemptively dog people to accept my town reads.
Oh you'll see what I have in store for Soup toMorrow. He's not being let off the hook that easily. He's just a less important interest of mine for now. Props on picking up on that, though.
Again, please don't take what I say as fact. I would be slightly insulted if you did.
Oh you'll see what I have in store for Soup toMorrow. He's not being let off the hook that easily. He's just a less important interest of mine for now. Props on picking up on that, though.
Again, please don't take what I say as fact. I would be slightly insulted if you did.
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
unvote
Vote: X1-12
I think its next vote for hammer
Vote: X1-12
I think its next vote for hammer
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
@Mod: Request votecount
asianaussie
Smash Hero
@ mod: request votecount
is that how i summon the mighty adumbro?
is that how i summon the mighty adumbro?
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
Oh. Soren's post on saying how he could lynch X1-12 "right now" seemed misleading without an accurate votecount.
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
we were 1 vote short of lynching before AA voted for X1-12
thats what I am referring to. With AA present the people who switched to AA going back would lynch X1-12.
if X1-12 flips scum, AA is basically exonerated for the time being, if he flips town everyone who voted for X1-12 looks scummier LOL
thats what I am referring to. With AA present the people who switched to AA going back would lynch X1-12.
if X1-12 flips scum, AA is basically exonerated for the time being, if he flips town everyone who voted for X1-12 looks scummier LOL
asianaussie
Smash Hero
That includes you too, you know.
You're jumping back and forth a lot as well. You're lucky that your entire game is jumpy.
You're jumping back and forth a lot as well. You're lucky that your entire game is jumpy.
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
So Asianaussie hammered? I'm not sure I understand your wording.
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
AA allowed for a hammer to take place.
its up to Kuz and JTB to decide on hammer.
its up to Kuz and JTB to decide on hammer.
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
Ran whats your thoughts if X1-12 flips town
th3kuzinator
Smash Master
@Seikend: Explain your town read on Tery again if you have to. Do me a fav.
@Fynal, JTB, Ranmaru: Gimme a new small stances list, please
Will hammer after I see a votecount and get my info. Basically just need either X1 or AA's flip.
@Fynal, JTB, Ranmaru: Gimme a new small stances list, please
Will hammer after I see a votecount and get my info. Basically just need either X1 or AA's flip.
Terywj [태리]
Charismatic Maknae~
Are we still working with how the Detective / Cop / investigatorer is doing? Something with everyone else having blanks over myself and ___? Or has that been cleared out with a supposed town Soren?