Newbie Mafia 12 FMP Fumoffu!: Game over!

[th3kuzinator]

You are playing up the fact that I "lied" when, in reality, I just kept one of my reads hidden.

I thought I had a much better chance of nailing you toMorrow with the added connections from an AA scum flip than I would have had toDay (since everyone seemed to incorrectly think you were town). Apparently I was wrong, as I got the wagon to shift over to you toDay regardless.

I can throw out the same type of card. Why did you lie to town about the lack of connections between Seikend and myself? Why did you lie about the importance of Seikend's contradictions? Why did you lie and say I was advice dogging the entire game?

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Soren and UTD: How do you feel about and AA lynch?

@UTD: I see you posting in other places in dGames. Why you not come here D:

 

[th3kuzinator]

And for what its worth, X1, I don't think you would have claimed VT at L-1 in this game if you were scum. There were plenty of others in line to vote you and you most certainly would have claimed a PR to get a CC or possibly get away with no one doing so.

Its factoring into my decision of wanting AA to go first.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh and Seik, I am taking 1239 as a town tell.

Just so you know, you've joined my town reads.

 

[ranmaru]

Why is that Kuz? (Your AA pick going first)

 

[th3kuzinator]

I really don't like AA fence sitting and not being clear about stances the whole game and then suddenly coming down with two hard scum stances. I also don't like that the majority of his 1346 is about me being scummier than X1 yet him concluding with a Seikend vote out of nowhere. Makes me think hes not pushing the target that can retaliate on a larger level and just wants to ride out the fight between X1 and myself while sitting happily on his scumpick that is not going anywhere.

I also find X1 claiming VT at that point OOC for scum X1 as I explained above. Both of them are still scum but I actually think I am beginning to become more comfortable with an AA lynch first, if that makes sense.

 

[Seikend]

@Kuz What's your reasoning for a scum connection between X1 and AA?

Still waiting on AA's response to my questions in #1349

 

[X1-12]

1.) Seik avoiding you -> He doesn't take a stance on you or even question you until #487, and even then he even later states that his question was to get a better read on Fynal, not you

2.) Seik's contradictions were important, the second one I quoted however was mainly a misunderstanding on my part.

3.) I didn't ever state you were advice dogging the whole game. Get your facts right.

NOT LIES.


Every time you gave a list of scumpicks and didn't include me, you were lying.

I thought I had a much better chance of nailing you toMorrow with the added connections from an AA scum flip than I would have had toDay (since everyone seemed to incorrectly think you were town). Apparently I was wrong, as I got the wagon to shift over to you toDay regardless.

This could have been done without lying or hiding your reads

What specifically did you gain from hiding your read on me, that justifies you lying to town? If its just getting a better idea of my connections then explain how you thought that was worth lying to town for.

 

[th3kuzinator]

As for Seikend, I found this gem recently.

A large part of what was factoring into why I thought he may be scum were his weak stances and reluctance to latch onto anything he found scummy. This goes against how he usually does things as town, which is why I why I thought he was scummy. But I realize that many of his stances match up exactly with how he has expressed he has difficulty scum hunting on certain issues.

I noticed it here

Now, why I haven't been proactive. Usually i'd be a lot more vocal about my stances and push for lynches. Recently though I haven't been feeling so confident about my reads, I feel like I pick up on all the wrong things and it's honestly frustrating. So I've kinda taken a backseat this game and taken time to think before I make any pushes. Evidently that was a bad idea so I'll try to get back into pushing my scumpicks.

as well.

 

[ranmaru]

I really don't like AA fence sitting and not being clear about stances the whole game and then suddenly coming down with two hard scum stances. I also don't like that the majority of his 1346 is about me being scummier than X1 yet him concluding with a Seikend vote out of nowhere. Makes me think hes not pushing the target that can retaliate on a larger level and just wants to ride out the fight between X1 and myself while sitting happily on his scumpick that is not going anywhere.

I also find X1 claiming VT at that point OOC for scum X1 as I explained above. Both of them are still scum but I actually think I am beginning to become more comfortable with an AA lynch first, if that makes sense.

I'm sure scum could claim vt if they intend to survive as well. Isn't it situational?

I'm actually ok with X1 going first, then AA. I just wanted to give Seik a chance to push for his reads.

Vote: X1-12

Even though he claimed VT, I feel his actions still were very scummy. Don't you agree, Kuz?

 

[th3kuzinator]

What specifically did you gain from hiding your read on me, that justifies you lying to town? If its just getting a better idea of my connections then explain how you thought that was worth lying to town for.

Do you ever shut up? Seriously...you've repeated the same point over 6 times now and I continue to maintain that I didn't lie (HIDING A READ ISNT LYING, MY GOD GET OVER YOURSELF) and that I benefited from it by seeing untainted connections.

Here is what you're doing in a nutshell.

X1: Town never lies (Except when I gambit like 24/7 in other games, but thats okay because those example would defeat my argument)
X1: You hid your read therefore you were intentionally and maliciously lying to town
X1: You are scum because you intentionally lying to town AND YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.

Stop. Being. So. Dumb/Scum.

 

[X1-12]

Kuz why do you say I'd claim a PR? I've only ever fake claimed a power I didn't have as scum once in all my games? Seriously back your **** up

Kuz YOU AVOIDED THE QUESTION AGAIN. YOU STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED IT. JUST ANSWER IT

 

[th3kuzinator]

*smacks head into table*

I DID ANSWER IT WHY ARE YOU SO THICK HEADED?

 

[th3kuzinator]

And woah woah woah, hold on.

Unvote

He's at L-2 now. To prevent a premature hammer. (We shouldn't end the DAY so soon)

I'll reserve the right to hammer.

I'm sure scum could claim vt if they intend to survive as well. Isn't it situational?

I'm actually ok with X1 going first, then AA. I just wanted to give Seik a chance to push for his reads.

Vote: X1-12

Even though he claimed VT, I feel his actions still were very scummy. Don't you agree, Kuz?

I thought you were gonna wait longer and then reserve the right to hammer? Also, you didn't actually ever plan with going along with Seikend's case, you just wanted him to push his picks?

Let me ask you a question. Would you be okay with going AA first?

 

[X1-12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission

ITS A LIE

X1: Town never lies (Except when I gambit like 24/7 in other games, but thats okay because those example would defeat my argument)
X1: You hid your read therefore you were intentionally and maliciously lying to town
X1: You are scum because you intentionally lying to town AND YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.

This is bull****. Gambits are you taking a minor risk or sacrifice for better gain. You gained next to nothing and your 'sacrifice' was lying to town. HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY LYING FOR SUCH LITTLE GAIN. you STILL haven't answered that.

 

[ranmaru]

To hammer X1. But you seem to be setting him aside for toMmorow as well.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Ranmaru: I didn't really understand your response. Can you clarify?

 

[ranmaru]

I reserved the hammer for X1-12.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Answer this please: Would you be okay with going AA first?

 

[ranmaru]

Nope. Why are you shifting from X1 to AA?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Already explained it in my 1366...which you asked me for 15 posts ago. Why are you playing so weird, Ran?

If you think they are both scum why are you in such opposition to AA going first? In fact, why is he even one of your scum picks? IIRC, you said you were liking the way he was playing towards the beginning of the Day. Why is he suddenly on of your scum picks?

 

[ranmaru]

Already explained it in my 1366...which you asked me for 15 posts ago. Why are you playing so weird, Ran?

If you think they are both scum why are you in such opposition to AA going first? In fact, why is he even one of your scum picks? IIRC, you said you were liking the way he was playing towards the beginning of the Day. Why is he suddenly on of your scum picks?

kk.

I was actually fine with your x1 > aa lynch lynch line. What bothered me is why you were changing it up. Him claiming a pr or vt shouldn't matter, because you have found many contradictions as to why he was scum.

I find X1 to be much scummier, and so have you. I'd rather have X1 lynched before anyone else.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Its not just that X1 claimed vt, its that AA has definitely scummed it up with his last response (something about it really doesn't sit right with me). I want to hear more out of him specifically before we end the Day with an X1 lynch or an AA lynch.

I re-checked the rules and it does not look like any of the inactives can be force mod killed while there are still replacements in the wings, so we're good with that.

Unvote; Vote: asianaussie

X1 has been here answering my gripes (terribly might I add, but at least hes giving me info to work with). I want more pressure on AA and more content out of him before we end the Day.

 

[X1-12]

Messaged the mod about Zac yesterday, he said basically he gets today to post or is being replaced or modkilled.

 

[ranmaru]

Kuz:

I understand. I do think what AA has done doesn't absolve X1 from what he has done, but the pressure is warranted.

If you did pick AA toDay, would you still go for X1 toMmorow?

I'd prefer Zac get's replaced, not modkilled.

 

[th3kuzinator]

If you did pick AA toDay, would you still go for X1 toMmorow?

Most likely, yes.

I'd prefer Zac get's replaced, not modkilled.

In the rules it says he won't modkill anyone unless there are no replacements available and its absolutely necessary. We have 2 left, so he wont be modkilled I'm pretty sure.

 

[Blacknight99923]

ok ugghh its difficult to transition myself to coming in here and posting everyday.

I honestly haven't seen enough about AA's post to warrant my changing my vote just yet. Kuz if you can use your wonderful skills to help us determine if he is scummy I will be more than willing to change my stance.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Soren: sure h/o. Also, how do you feel about JTB and UTD?

 

[ranmaru]

Kk. Lol saw that Kuz.

Ah, thank you.

 

[th3kuzinator]

No problemo~

 

[ranmaru]

So guys, can you point me to where X1 has contributed to town, and scumhunted, all in D2? Is his d1 play different? If so, how?

I just see him mostly defending himself, and not really doing much else.

 

[Blacknight99923]

has UTD even posted LOL?

I honestly don't remember much of JTBs post. Abiet since I have been semi inactive myself I often times have to restort to skimming through. If he has any scummy posts would you be willing to link them?

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Soren: Let me put it this way, if I presented evidence to you about either of them being scum or acting scummy, would you have a problem voting/lynching them?

 

[ranmaru]

Soren that's not a good way to scumhunt. You are looking for scummy posts from UTD already thinking he is scum. That's painting people in a bad light, and that's what scum do. (They have to frame)

Try to look through all his posts, and if you find EVERYTHING about him scummy, you may be onto something. But don't go purposely looking for scummy posts.

Instead, look neutrally. Then try to see if they go on the side of town, or scum. Town will want to scumhunt, and find scum. Scum will want to survive, and frame others.

 

[Blacknight99923]

Kuz if theres enough evidence that someone is scummy I'll be for lynching ANYONEyou LOL, but ranmaru brings up a point. Please do not just link their posts but rather their responses to you.

@ Ran
thank you. I appreciate the help, however I don't think EVERYONE here is going to be scum. Its very easy to come off as scummy or townie if someones wants to believe it, but thank you.

 

[ranmaru]

No prob, Soren.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Remember to not edit posts though

This has been quite enlightening actually.

 

[Blacknight99923]

I edited my posts because it didn't make sense.

If there is a record of what I wrote origonally I am mor than willing to reveal it if you wish

 

[th3kuzinator]

I saw what you wrote beforehand. In your case you're doing it for grammar, but the reasoning behind not editing is that people could go back and re-write what they wrote from a previous time and change what they said which is illegal for obvious reasons.

Just get into the habit of double posting instead of editing.

 

[Blacknight99923]

I'll remember that from now on, thank you.